Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

dav3 · 29-07-2014 11:43AM

ireland.man wrote: »

So what's the story with Boaz Modai, the Israeli ambassador to Ireland... is there a grassroots campaign to have him expelled? Any info on how to help with that?

There is a petition that people can sign here.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/An_Taoiseach_Enda_Kenny_Expel_the_Israeli_Ambassador_to_Ireland/?cGFFFhb

You can also contact your local TD and make you opinion heard on the various protests around the country.

steddyeddy · 29-07-2014 11:44AM

Tony EH wrote: »

A Jew is not only defined by religion. They can be defined by a racial makeup and a genetic lineage. That's why in Judaism, the idea of being a Jew is passed down by the mother in a familial sense.

A huge number of Jews in the US are secular, for instance, but are still Jews racially.

Absolutely no such thing.

hju6 · 29-07-2014 11:45AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bl2xciVZI

mad muffin · 29-07-2014 11:47AM

WakeUp wrote: »

Gaza Crisis: Far-Right Israelis Chant 'There's No School Tomorrow, There's No Children Left in Gaza!'

"Right-wing Israelis have been filmed chanting "There's no children left there [in Gaza]" and "Gaza is a cemetery" in a seeming celebration of their military's offensive on the territory during a Tel Aviv demonstration.

The protesters are seen waving Israeli flags and singing football-like chants to voice their anger at Arab members of the Knesset (MK) Ahmad Tibi and Haneen Zoabi, and the people of Gaza.

This march represents just one section of Israeli society, with many Israeli activists taking to the streets of the country's main cities to protest the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the military's offensive on the Gaza Strip.

Evidence of far-right extremism continues to surface in Israel, with people speaking out against the Gaza offensive facing increased violence and intimidation."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisis-far-right-israelis-chant-theres-no-school-tomorrow-theres-no-children-left-1458797

Imagine. They hate each other. Who would have thought :rolleyes:

You don't have to look too far for the same kind of crap going on in Ireland's own backyard.

steddyeddy · 29-07-2014 11:50AM

jank wrote: »

If it's genocide then they are making a poor job of it.
Having an opinion that the IDF are deliberately targeting children doesn't hold water. What is the advantage of this to the IDF? The advantage of dead children in gaza go to Hamas.

There is no advantage to this. It's just they aren't as insightful as you. After Bloody Sunday IRA membership skyrocketed. After this Hamas support sky rocketed. We're dealing with people who have a strong conviction that whatever they do is right. Many of them believe that they have a right to be on the land because god told them so. Many believe they have more right to be there than the Arabs and many believe they are better than the Arabs. Al due to a creed they hold.

Not much of what they believe is based on sense so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the rest of their actions (who they target in a war zone) are based on some religious sense of duty.

jank · 29-07-2014 11:51AM

wes wrote: »

A video by MEMRI, founded by former Mossad:

May as well be a video from the Israeli government.

Secondly they have habit false translations:
Issues of reliability and veracity

Link doesn't actually say Hamas did that.... There are other groups who are not Hamas, and who are far more extreme, who use rockets btw. So we are back to square one, with no proof of Hamas using Human Shields.

Amazing that you don't agree with fundamental evidence put forward but then think with no evidence put forward that the IDF deliberately target children. Great moral leap there.

brimal · 29-07-2014 11:51AM

wes wrote: »

I don't know, a state that has no civil marriage doesn't exactly strike me as being secular for some reason.......

Germany, Finland, Norway and UK aren't secular states either. Have you got a problem with these states?

You can nit-pick all you want and try find issues with Israel's democracy but ultimately it is a modern, highly-advanced state surrounded by countries which are decades if not centuries behind in human rights, HDI, etc.

The Israeli Arabs I know wouldn't dream of moving to a state in the Muslim world.

WakeUp · 29-07-2014 11:52AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Imagine. They hate each other. Who would have thought :rolleyes:

You don't have to look too far for the same kind of crap going on in Ireland's own backyard.

Actually that isn't true not to the extent that's outlined in that article . what that report shows is that there is a certain section of society within Israel that can only be described as disgusting. it also shows there are many good decent Israelis within their society who are really good human beings and are trying to speak out at what is going on but their voices are bring drowned out in many instances and they are not being heard.

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-07-2014 11:52AM

1 hour in Gaza, those tunnels certainly defy physics

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bts5EIFIcAAOqMR.png:large

mad muffin · 29-07-2014 11:52AM

the_barfly1 wrote: »

Its the atheist part that confuses me... How can one be an atheist jew?

Now you're just being facetious.

mad muffin · 29-07-2014 11:54AM

donegal__road wrote: »

in wine there is truth.. no?

The drunks truth. Only proves that the drunk is a racist idiot.

mad muffin · 29-07-2014 11:55AM

WakeUp wrote: »

Actually that isn't true not to the extent that's outlined in that article . what that report shows is that there is a certain section of society within Israel that can only be described as disgusting. it also shows there are many good decent Israelis within their society who are really good human beings and are trying to speak out at what is going on but their voices are bring drowned out in many instances and they are not being heard.

I was pointing out the cherry picket disgusting chants.

mad muffin · 29-07-2014 11:57AM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Are you just going to post links all day?

Why not. Plenty of others are to prove their side is right.

Pretty much what this thread has descended into.

wes · 29-07-2014 11:58AM

jank wrote: »

Amazing that you don't agree with fundamental evidence put forward but then think with no evidence put forward that the IDF deliberately target children. Great moral leap there.

The evidence you provide, comes from a video, from a group founded by former Mossad and has a history of false translations. So that is proof of nothing.

You second link make 0 mention of Hamas being responsible for hiding rockets in the school, and I pointed out that there are other groups, who are not Hamas, who are far more extreme, who also use rockets. So, its just as likely that it was one of them.

So, again back to square one, as your first source, isn't trust worthy, and the 2nd doesn't back up your claim.

Also, plenty of evidence put forward in regards to IDF actions, pages and pages of it in fact.

Reekwind · 29-07-2014 11:58AM

jank wrote: »

Having an opinion that the IDF are deliberately targeting children doesn't hold water. What is the advantage of this to the IDF? The advantage of dead children in gaza go to Hamas.

I'm not sure that intention or deliberation makes a difference to the 200+ children who have been killed by the IDF in this conflict to date. Certainly it's clear that there is no intention on the part of Israel to moderate its actions in light of civilian casualties.

WakeUp · 29-07-2014 11:58AM

mad muffin wrote: »

I was pointing out the cherry picket disgusting chants.

What are you winking at me for. I didn't cherry pick anything but that obviously went over your head have a read back . I purposely highlighted both the chanting and the other side who disagree with that sort of thing.

mad muffin · 29-07-2014 12:00PM

tayto lover wrote: »

It's genocide.
And to think these JEWISH people got the sympathy of the world after what the Nazis did to them and they now turn around and do the same to another people. Shocking.

You're determined for this thread to be a total farce?

wes · 29-07-2014 12:03PM

brimal wrote: »

Germany, Finland, Norway and UK aren't secular states either. Have you got a problem with these states?

I know the UK is not a secular state, and I would have have issues with actions taken by the UK. Still, last I checked the UK and all those countries still have civil marriage.

brimal wrote: »

You can nit-pick all you want and try find issues with Israel's democracy but ultimately it is a modern, highly-advanced state surrounded by countries which are decades if not centuries behind in human rights, HDI, etc.

A democracy you say. Care to show the democracy in the occupied territories? How exactly does murdering children on a beach playing football speak to this wonderful Human Rights regime in Israel? How about all the children in prisons? How about all the Palestinians imprisoned with no trial? Sounds to me that Israel has far more in common with her neighbors, then her supporters will admit to.

brimal wrote: »

The Israeli Arabs I know wouldn't dream of moving to a state in the Muslim world.

Get back to me, when all Palestinian under Israeli rule have there rights respected.

KahBoom · 29-07-2014 12:06PM

Repeating again, what I posted earlier on intent: Glenn Greenwald put it well, on Israel's intent to kill children/civilians:

Anglo-American law has long recognized that gross recklessness is a form of intent (“Fraudulent intent is shown if a representation is made with reckless indifference to its truth or falsity”). That’s why reckless behavior even if unaccompanied by a desire to kill people – e.g., randomly shooting a gun into a crowd of people – has long been viewed as sufficient to establish criminal intent.

One can say many things about a military operation that results in more than 75 percent of the dead being civilians, many of them children, aimed at a population trapped in a tiny area with no escape. The claim that there is no intent to kill civilians but rather an intent to protect them is most assuredly not among them. Even stalwart Israel supporter Thomas Friedman has previously acknowledged that Israeli assaults on Lebanon, and possibly in Gaza, are intended ”to inflict substantial property damage and collateral casualties” because “the only long-term source of deterrence was to exact enough pain on the civilians” (which, to the extent it exists, is the classic definition of “terrorism”). The most generous claim one can make about what Israel is now doing in Gaza is that it is driven by complete recklessness toward the civilian population it is massacring, a form of intent under centuries of well-settled western law.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/21/netanyahus-telegenically-dead-comment-original/

The argument that Israel is not deliberately killing children by dropping bombs all over Gaza, is about as credible as randomly firing a machine gun at a playground full of kids/parents, and then claiming that killing children wasn't deliberate, because they weren't the ones you were aiming at.

R P McMurphy · 29-07-2014 12:07PM

jank wrote: »

If it's genocide then they are making a poor job of it.
Having an opinion that the IDF are deliberately targeting children doesn't hold water. What is the advantage of this to the IDF? The advantage of dead children in gaza go to Hamas.

It is known as incremental genocide, a term coined by an Israeli

R P McMurphy · 29-07-2014 12:10PM

wes wrote: »

I know the UK is not a secular state, and I would have have issues with actions taken by the UK. Still, last I checked the UK and all those countries still have civil marriage.

A democracy you say. Care to show the democracy in the occupied territories? How exactly does murdering children on a beach playing football speak to this wonderful Human Rights regime in Israel? How about all the children in prisons? How about all the Palestinians imprisoned with no trial? Sounds to me that Israel has far more in common with her neighbors, then her supporters will admit to.

Get back to me, when all Palestinian under Israeli rule have there rights respected.

Israel will not need its neighbours to destroy itself as it is doing so from within. A country built upon to sestemic abuse of civil rights is rotting from the inside

fta93 · 29-07-2014 12:11PM

brimal wrote: »

Germany, Finland, Norway and UK aren't secular states either. Have you got a problem with these states?

You can nit-pick all you want and try find issues with Israel's democracy but ultimately it is a modern, highly-advanced state surrounded by countries which are decades if not centuries behind in human rights, HDI, etc.

The Israeli Arabs I know wouldn't dream of moving to a state in the Muslim world.

If Israel is well ahead in human rights then why are they murdering children?

RustyNut · 29-07-2014 12:15PM

brimal wrote: »

You can nit-pick all you want and try find issues with Israel's democracy but ultimately it is a modern, highly-advanced state surrounded by countries which are decades if not centuries behind in human rights, HDI, etc.

I don't think a country that is willing to kill any amount of innocent men women and children, weather by accident or design, can be praised for respecting human rights.

Or maby they don't see Palestinians as human.

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2014 12:20PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Circumcision is not an exclusively Jewish practice. The Khitan is an Islamic version which is very similar to the Jewish circumcision. It's almost a universal rite within Shia Muslims, is extremely common amongst Sunnis, and is widespread within most other strains of Islam also.

My point is that when a European country tried to ban it, the "ANTI SEMITISM!!!" card was used to derail the proposal. That, in my view, is direct evidence of a religion having too much political power. Religious belief should not be able to trump a societal decision that a practice is barbaric. Had the card been played by Muslims and succeeded, I wouldn't be describing it as evidence for Judaism being elevated above other religions because of the anti semitism card.

mikeym · 29-07-2014 12:22PM

Could Iran declare war on Israel since their the only other Arab country that seems to openly oppose Israel as a state.

I hope they do because the Americans are pouring more money into Israels defense.

More money to blow up children.

tayto lover · 29-07-2014 12:23PM

mad muffin wrote: »

You're determined for this thread to be a total farce?

If you cram 1.8 million into a small area and throw all the weaponry you have at them then what else would you call it?

hju6 · 29-07-2014 12:23PM

mikeym wrote: »

Could Iran declare war on Israel since their the only other Arab country that seems to openly oppose Israel as a state.

I hope they do because the Americans are pouring more money into Israels defense.

More money to blow up children.

No because rouge nuclear state israel would nuke them

jank · 29-07-2014 12:24PM

wes wrote: »

The evidence you provide, comes from a video, from a group founded by former Mossad and has a history of false translations. So that is proof of nothing.

You second link make 0 mention of Hamas being responsible for hiding rockets in the school, and I pointed out that there are other groups, who are not Hamas, who are far more extreme, who also use rockets. So, its just as likely that it was one of them.

So, again back to square one, as your first source, isn't trust worthy, and the 2nd doesn't back up your claim.

Also, plenty of evidence put forward in regards to IDF actions, pages and pages of it in fact.

Pages and pages of evidence that describes official IDF policy? Or pages of hearsay and opinions.

jank · 29-07-2014 12:25PM

mikeym wrote: »

Could Iran declare war on Israel since their the only other Arab country that seems to openly oppose Israel as a state.

I hope they do because the Americans are pouring more money into Israels defense.

More money to blow up children.

Why do you want the situation to escalate? Why do you want Iran to attack Israel?

brimal · 29-07-2014 12:29PM

mikeym wrote: »

Could Iran declare war on Israel since their the only other Arab country that seems to openly oppose Israel as a state.

I hope they do because the Americans are pouring more money into Israels defense.

More money to blow up children.

*facepalm*

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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