Everybody else in the family is at the Commonwealth Games, so why aren't we?

An Claidheamh · 28-07-2014 08:00PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Except you just did

Nope happened at London 2012. Google it.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/452805/More-asylum-seeker-chaos-of-foreign-athletes-after-our-Olympic-legacy

An Claidheamh · 28-07-2014 08:05PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

How is it hypocritical exactly? Paddy Barnes is fighting as an Irishman from the jurisdiction of Norniron in the commonwealth games. Unlike McIlroy I don't think Barnes has ever considered declaring for Great Britain.

Still though, maybe he might hand back his medal if it looks like this.

http://www.cmcstir.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1970.jpg

Huh, that's odd. The medal says 'British commonwealth', not just 'commonwealth'.

(So I guess it was called the British commonwealth, someone said I was wrong

)

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-07-2014 08:05PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Nope happened at London 2012. Google it.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/452805/More-asylum-seeker-chaos-of-foreign-athletes-after-our-Olympic-legacy

I cannot find a link on Google that shows 'most of the athletes in Glasgow are being followed by police', care to share?

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-07-2014 08:08PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Still though, maybe he might hand back his medal if it looks like this.

http://www.cmcstir.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1970.jpg

Huh, that's odd. The medal says 'British commonwealth', not just 'commonwealth'.

(So I guess it was called the British commonwealth, someone said I was wrong )

Keep up with the times, this is the medal for the 2014 games

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/377685/article_img.jpg

An Claidheamh · 28-07-2014 08:15PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Keep up with the times, this is the medal for the 2014 games

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/377685/article_img.jpg

I know, my point is:

Empire < British commonwealth < commonwealth < super adventure club?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5FfU5Cv2PyY/TlRBLXmYAWI/AAAAAAAAAFU/vWgiC9NVCqA/s320/Super-Adventure-Club.jpg

:pac:

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-07-2014 08:19PM

I know what the Commonwealth is and it's history but if you are trying to make a point about Barnes winning a medal, do use the correct one

The_Valeyard · 28-07-2014 08:20PM

Meh, we have the Olympics, every four years, tis enough.

An Claidheamh · 28-07-2014 08:21PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Still though, maybe he might hand back his medal if it looks like this.

http://www.cmcstir.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1970.jpg

Huh, that's odd. The medal says 'British commonwealth', not just 'commonwealth'.

(So I guess it was called the British commonwealth, someone said I was wrong )

An Claidheamh · 28-07-2014 08:32PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I cannot find a link on Google that shows 'most of the athletes in Glasgow are being followed by police', care to share?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/469031/Special-team-to-fight-illegal-immigration-during-Commonwealth-Games

"
A SPECIALIST immigration ‘hit squad’ has been set up to tackle foreigners who attempt to stay in Britain illegally after travelling to the Commonwealth Games."

You can be sure it's much of a muchness.

Sufa · 28-07-2014 09:23PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Who are you trying to kid Sutch?

Us or yourself?

Why are you (in particular) so anxious in this thread to belittle the commonwealth games?

You have made it very clear you do not wish to ever see Ireland compete which is fair enough, but to be so unrelentingly negative about the games themselves strikes me as being quite curious.

Glasgow has done a fantastic job with these games. The venues are world class, the crowds have been excellent and the sport has been thrilling. What is not to like?

Reekwind · 28-07-2014 09:42PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Aside from entering these games, a few people mentioned better relations or trade links with other countries.

Is this based on anything , are there any free trade agreements or anything that exist ?

No. The first thing that has to be said here is that the Commonwealth is not a common market, trading bloc or free trade area. Members enjoy no formal economic access or incentives to trade with each other.

Hence Ireland (or indeed any EU member, such as Portugal or Denmark) enjoys vastly greater access to Britain (and British markets and capital) than even the most favoured Commonwealth nation. For those major Commonwealth economies outside the EU (Canada, Australia, S Africa and India), Ireland is perfectly capable of negotiating bilateral trade/access treaties. Hence, again, Ireland has better visa access to Australia and Canada than most Commonwealth nations. (We also benefit from EU membership in this regard.)

So the argument of 'trade links' comes down to 'well, they'll like us more'. This is something that both overstates the importance of the Commonwealth (as if membership automatically made you more attractive than other Europeans) and ignores the ability of Ireland, like any other country, to strike up bilateral relations with certain countries. For example, Commonwealth membership was irrelevant to last year's trade mission to India.

So I see nothing to suggest that joining the Commonwealth would have any meaningful impact on the Irish economy. Certainly not after the costs of annual membership dues were accounted for.

efb · 28-07-2014 09:44PM

Robbie Fowler's cousin boxing the Scot around the ring here

Fratton Fred · 28-07-2014 10:43PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In what way do you think Ireland needs to mature? That is very patronising. Rejoining this excuse for an organisation - a relic of Britain's former empire - would not be good for this country nor our self esteem.

It would be the equivalent of a battered wife returning to her husband after many years of separation because "he has changed". It does not matter how much Britain has changed

So India, Bangladesh, Jamaica etc are all what, stupid?, ignorant of their past? Suffering from low self esteem?

Do you not think your comments are patronising?

Fratton Fred · 28-07-2014 10:47PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Shoot the Paddy, Zulu dance, egg and spoon race ...

If only there was a gold medal for carrying chip on shoulders, or sour grape harvesting.

wazky · 28-07-2014 10:49PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So India, Bangladesh, Jamaica etc are all what, stupid?, ignorant of their past? Suffering from low self esteem?

Do you not think your comments are patronising?

Think you made that up but all by yourself because I don't see it in the quote?

Anyway, what advantage is it to Ireland to rejoin the commonwealth? Apart from getting to hang out with our imperialist buddies every few years?

Fratton Fred · 28-07-2014 10:57PM

wazky wrote: »

Think you made that up but all by yourself because I don't see it in the quote?

Anyway, what advantage is it to Ireland to rejoin the commonwealth? Apart from getting to hang out with our imperialist buddies every few years?

I don't see any great advantage, but why are Ireland somehow morally superior for staying out, when many other countries with a similar history play an active role?

It's not about history to some posters, it's about having a chip on their shoulder.

It's like someone slagging off their neighbours brand new bmw because all they can afford is a fiesta. It just comes down to good old fashioned begrudgery.

Nodin · 28-07-2014 10:59PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I don't see any great advantage, but why are Ireland somehow morally superior for staying out, when many other countries with a similar history play an active role?

It's not about history to some posters, it's about having a chip on their shoulder.

It's like someone slagging off their neighbours brand new bmw because all they can afford is a fiesta. It just comes down to good old fashioned begrudgery.

No Fred, it's not wanting to be associated with a vile past.

wazky · 28-07-2014 11:00PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

good old fashioned begrudgery.

Because Ireland can't join in on this glorified sports day?, seriously?

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-07-2014 11:05PM

wazky wrote: »

Because Ireland can't join in on this glorified sports day?, seriously?

I have no wish for Ireland to join the Commonwealth and there are some nasty countries in there but calling the Games 'a glorified sports day' is way off

wazky · 28-07-2014 11:07PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I have no wish for Ireland to join the Commonwealth and there are some nasty countries in there but calling the Games 'a glorified sports day' is way off

How about "The Conquered People's Games?"

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-07-2014 11:10PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/469031/Special-team-to-fight-illegal-immigration-during-Commonwealth-Games

"
A SPECIALIST immigration ‘hit squad’ has been set up to tackle foreigners who attempt to stay in Britain illegally after travelling to the Commonwealth Games."

You can be sure it's much of a muchness.

While I agree with your idea that Ireland joining the commonwealth being a bit pointless, what you specifically said about police following most athletes around is in now way in hell even close to what the story in your links - any of them - let alone being anything of a "muchness".

Quit sensationalising. One, if ruins your credibility even when you have a valid point; and two, you always get caught out.

The Golden Miller · 28-07-2014 11:38PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I don't see any great advantage, but why are Ireland somehow morally superior for staying out, when many other countries with a similar history play an active role?

It's not about history to some posters, it's about having a chip on their shoulder.

It's like someone slagging off their neighbours brand new bmw because all they can afford is a fiesta. It just comes down to good old fashioned begrudgery.

How are we morally superior for not taking part? Where are you getting this general consensus from? Infact, I've yet to hear anyone talk about it outside a few bits in the media. People don't give a fcuk that it's on one way or the other, lest not care enough for any "I feel morally superior to Britain" bull****.

How do I as an Irish person have a chip on my shoulder because I don't want to be associated to Britain or the Commonwealth? I like their people, many of them are the salt of the earth types, some c*nts, some alright, just like in any country. But I'm Irish, they are British and that's that. And I think most people feel the same.

So how do we have a chip on our shoulder as a nation? Cause some little unionist posh boy's D4 family, who got left behind in Dublin after partition, and fawns over everything British, says so? And looks for non-existent, anti-British sentiments and tries to blow them out of proportion at every chance, to show how we're a nation of Celtic jersey wearing, British hating, armchair republicans with some inferiority complex to Britain? Who's really the one with the chip on their shoulder?

Sufa · 28-07-2014 11:42PM

wazky wrote: »

Because Ireland can't join in on this glorified sports day?, seriously?

1.2 million tickets have been sold and many hundreds of thousands more have supported the free events such as the triathlon and marathon- some sports day!

Fratton Fred · 28-07-2014 11:43PM

Nodin wrote: »

No Fred, it's not wanting to be associated with a vile past.

You mean it's not wanting to accept that the past is the past and it's time to move on.

Or does that only apply to Gerry's past?

Fratton Fred · 28-07-2014 11:50PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

How are we morally superior for not taking part? Where are you getting this general consensus from? Infact, I've yet to hear anyone talk about it outside a few bits in the media. People don't give a fcuk that it's on one way or the other, lest not care enough for any "I feel morally superior to Britain" bull****.

How do I as an Irish person have a chip on my shoulder because I don't want to be associated to Britain or the Commonwealth? I like their people, many of them are the salt of the earth types, some c*nts, some alright, just like in any country. But I'm Irish, they are British and that's that. And I think most people feel the same.

So how do we have a chip on our shoulder as a nation? Cause some little unionist posh boy's D4 family, who got left behind in Dublin after partition, and fawns over everything British, says so? And looks for a non-existent anti-British sentiments and tries to blow it out of proportion at every chance, to show how we're a nation of Celtic jersey wearing, British hating, armchair republicans with some inferiority complex to Britain? Who's really the one with the chip on their shoulder?

Who said anything about Ireland as a nation? I was referring to a handful of posters.

There's a difference between not giving a **** and constantly posting derogatory and sensationalist comments.

LorMal · 28-07-2014 11:50PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

How are we morally superior for not taking part? Where are you getting this general consensus from? Infact, I've yet to hear anyone talk about it outside a few bits in the media. People don't give a fcuk that it's on one way or the other, lest not care enough for any "I feel morally superior to Britain" bull****.

How do I as an Irish person have a chip on my shoulder because I don't want to be associated to Britain or the Commonwealth? I like their people, many of them are the salt of the earth types, some c*nts, some alright, just like in any country. But I'm Irish, they are British and that's that. And I think most people feel the same.

So how do we have a chip on our shoulder as a nation? Cause some little unionist posh boy's D4 family, who got left behind in Dublin after partition, and fawns over everything British, says so? And looks for a non-existent anti-British sentiments and tries to blow it out of proportion at every chance, to show how we're a nation of Celtic jersey wearing, British hating, armchair republicans with some inferiority complex to Britain? Who's really the one with the chip on their shoulder?

Good Lord, you are bitter.

Shakespeare's Sister · 28-07-2014 11:54PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Hence a previous post of mine suggesting that 90% of boards.ie posters are very anti Commonwealth in their outlook .

"If you're not with us, you're agin' us."
Why "90%"? What about those who don't give a toss about the Commonwealth and aren't anti Commonwealth but don't see a need for Ireland to take part in the Games either?

The Golden Miller · 29-07-2014 12:00AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Who said anything about Ireland as a nation? I was referring to a handful of posters.

There's a difference between not giving a **** and constantly posting derogatory and sensationalist comments.

You, when you said we feel morally superior for not taking part.

As for your second point, take a look in the mirror

The Golden Miller · 29-07-2014 12:01AM

LorMal wrote: »

Good Lord, you are bitter.

I'm the bitter one? Good lad there!

wazky · 29-07-2014 12:08AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You mean it's not wanting to accept that the past is the past and it's time to move on.

Or does that only apply to Gerry's past?

Time to move on and join an old relic of some forgotten empire?, did that even make sense to you?

As for the Jurry comment?, yawn.....

Everybody else in the family is at the Commonwealth Games, so why aren't we?

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