Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 02:42PM

jank wrote: »

If you can't prove basic assertions you make then don't make them. Nobody as far as I can see has claimed that Israel are deliberately going out if their way yo kill children besides a few posters on the inter web. Has any journalist worth their salt or media outlet stated this?

Make no mistake, Israel is targeting citizens in Gaza

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/contributors/2014/07/25/make-mistake-israel-targeting-citizens-gaza/13159377/

Israel targeting women, children in Gaza to eliminate future fighters: Sudanese MP

http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/117229-israel-targeting-women-children-in-gaza-to-eliminate-future-fighters-sudanese-mp

Gaza: The Israeli Army’s Unlawful Targeting Practices are bad for Children

http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/targeting-practices-children.html

Israel is deliberately targeting civilians in Gaza

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israel-deliberately-targeting-civilians-gaza

“Alon Ben-David, a well-sourced Israeli military affairs analyst, said on Israeli television that the first beach blast targeted a structure that Israel believed was used by Hamas. He said the second blast might have been aimed at the running children, perhaps mistaken for militants. He added that given the military’s technologically advanced surveillance equipment, ‘it is a little hard for me to understand this, because the images show that the figures are children.’”

http://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-kills-fun/194265/

But i'm sure you will huff and puff and claim they are not good enough sources for you.

end of the road · 28-07-2014 02:42PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

There seems to be a school of thought that if you can't find someone on the internet who has said something before you (that ISIS and Hamas are effectively allies) then it can't be true.

I am saying that ISIS and Hamas are allies, sharing many of the same motivations, desires, methodology and culture of jihad. I care not that no one in the online word has created a blog about it yet.

withdraw the claim that isis and hamas are allies

end of the road · 28-07-2014 02:43PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why would I? I believe it to be true.

and what makes you believe that? because they are both muslim?

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 02:43PM

jank wrote: »

Good point as he comes across as a complete bigot and anti Semite?

Ah this old doozy :rolleyes:

tayto lover · 28-07-2014 02:48PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Ah this old doozy :rolleyes:

Point out deliberate murder = anti-semite.

end of the road · 28-07-2014 02:48PM

jank wrote: »

Good point as he comes across as a complete bigot and anti Semite?

not this bull again, for god sake give it up

blackwhite · 28-07-2014 02:58PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Ah this old doozy :rolleyes:

I don't think its unreasonable to call this particular blog anti-semetic.

Firstly, he titles it "the Jews"

A number of points in his blog are nothing more than attacks on "the Jews," including "this old doozy"

4.Clearly the Jews think of themselves as special beings who are privileged to the point of being above condemnation or even criticism.

Criticising and/or condemning Israeli actions and policies is reasoned and sensible.
Attacks on "the Jews" because of what Israel has done is quite accurately described as anti-semitism.

Many Israel supporters try to silence criticism by claiming anti-semitism when none is present.
That shouldn't stop genuine cases of racism against Jewish people from being pointed out.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 03:01PM

end of the road wrote: »

and what makes you believe that? because they are both muslim?

No. Absolutely not (as explained previously).

Because they share a militant, islamist ideology and have many of the same motivations, aims and methodologies.

Needless to say (although perhaps it is necessary to state the obvious) not all muslims or muslim organisations are inclined towards this behaviour.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 03:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

withdraw the claim that isis and hamas are allies

Let me see.........

No.

It may shock you to learn that I may post my opinions without you approving of them.

mrty · 28-07-2014 03:05PM

davmol wrote: »

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:[/quote

So you've only just moved to Ireland then?

darkpagandeath · 28-07-2014 03:09PM

blackwhite wrote: »

I don't think its unreasonable to call this particular blog anti-semetic.

Firstly, he titles it "the Jews"

A number of points in his blog are nothing more than attacks on "the Jews," including "this old doozy"

Criticising and/or condemning Israeli actions and policies is reasoned and sensible.
Attacks on "the Jews" because of what Israel has done is quite accurately described as anti-semitism.

Many Israel supporters try to silence criticism by claiming anti-semitism when none is present.
That shouldn't stop genuine cases of racism against Jewish people from being pointed out.

What should people call "Jew's then ?" That's what they call themselves. I don’t see how that is offensive TBH. It’s like saying Catholics, or Muslims. The Jew's refer to themselves as a whole people regardless of place of birth they are all Jew's.

comongethappy · 28-07-2014 03:12PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What should people call "Jew's then ?" That's what they call themselves. I don’t see how that is offensive TBH. It’s like saying Catholics, or Muslims. The Jew's refer to themselves as a whole people regardless of place of birth they are all Jew's.

They aren't a hive mind..... (Unless you think they are)....

Using a collective noun implies they all think the same, which is obviously not so.

Saying "Israel" instead is better as it can refer to the state or the government.... Not tarring a whole people

Nodin · 28-07-2014 03:13PM

getzls wrote: »

You should (........)World.

One day you'll surprise me by making a point instead of typing hyperbole.

Iheartinternet wrote:

hope the bombs and guns fall silent for good now and a lasting peace is found. But Hamas are radical, militant islamists with a vow to destroy the state of Israel. They are, though some won't admit it, a slightly more presentable stand of militant Islamism than ISIS. They share the same goals, methods and motivations. They are, in my opinion, allies. .

Baseless nonsense which you can't back up. Why are you lying?

blackwhite · 28-07-2014 03:13PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What should people call "Jew's then ?" That's what they call themselves. I don’t see how that is offensive TBH. It’s like saying Catholics, or Muslims. The Jew's refer to themselves as a whole people regardless of place of birth they are all Jew's.

When talking about Jews then calling them Jews is perfectly fine.

Making sweeping generalisations about a religious grouping and/or a race is not fine.

Claiming that the despicable actions of the Israeli state are somehow representative of a whole race of people who are spread around the world is offensive.

It's kind of similar to someone trying to claim that the actions of Hamas or Al Queda is representative of all Muslims.

That fact that you actually need this pointed out is a bit worrying TBH

humanji · 28-07-2014 03:14PM

The link was clearly anti-Semetic and has been removed. There's a difference between condemning the actions of Israel and claiming all Jews all over the world are behind the actions of Israel. Now please move on and be willing to tell the difference between the two.

darkpagandeath · 28-07-2014 03:17PM

comongethappy wrote: »

They aren't a hive mind..... (Unless you think they are)....

Using a collective noun implies they all think the same, which is obviously not so.

Saying "Israel" instead is better as it can refer to the state or the government.... Not tarring a whole people

Never said they were, just pointing out simple facts. Does that make me a Racist now ?

blackwhite wrote: »

When talking about Jews then calling them Jews is perfectly fine.

Making sweeping generalisations about a religious grouping and/or a race is not fine.

Claiming that the despicable actions of the Israeli state are somehow representative of a whole race of people who are spread around the world is offensive.

It's kind of similar to someone trying to claim that the actions of Hamas or Al Queda is representative of all Muslims.

That fact that you actually need this pointed out is a bit worrying TBH

This seems to be the new edgy term, Just short of calling the person it's directed at a Racist. What i pointed out is not racist at all. the fact that you actually need this pointed out is a bit worrying....

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 03:17PM

comongethappy wrote: »

They aren't a hive mind..... (Unless you think they are)....

Using a collective noun implies they all think the same, which is obviously not so.

Saying "Israel" instead is better as it can refer to the state or the government.... Not tarring a whole people

Neither are Arabs yet we see comments in the thread that consistently refer to "The Arabs" when speaking of Hamas.

Movementarian · 28-07-2014 03:18PM

I have to say that some of this stuff on this thread would drive me to posting...oh wait it has!

It seems to be the case that you can't criticise Israel's actions without automatically becoming a Hamas supporter.

Does nobody think it odd that a militant Islamist, thoroughly dislikeable group like Hamas are gaining international sympathy? How bad do your actions have to be to sway public opinion away from you on onto them?

Do Israel have a right to defend themselves? Absolutely. Should all common sense regarding proportionality apply? Absolutely.

Say for example my house was being shot at from an apartment block across the street, from the window of 1 flat among the 30 or so.
Would I be right to defend by family from being shot at? Yes.
Would I be right to defend them by blowing up an apartment block that I knew was full of other families just to kill that one person in the one flat? I don't know any sane person that would say yes.

Bear in mind that nobody had actually been killed or even injured by Hamas rocket fire at the time of their response so the issue of proportionality does indeed arise.

Do I agree with or support Hamas? No.
But it is obvious to me that as long as Israel continues in this vein then you will have many grieving and angry family members and friends who will join their ranks to avenge their loved ones deaths. I know I would

comongethappy · 28-07-2014 03:18PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Neither are Arabs yet we see comments in the thread that consistently refer to "The Arabs" when speaking of Hamas.

Which is equally unacceptable.

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 03:20PM

LorMal wrote: »

RustyNut wrote: »

They just want to wipe out all the people that live there. If they have an excuse to bomb them that's all well and good but the long game is the seige which will kill them eventually.[/

If they wanted to do that they could do it now. I do not think that is their position.
They want to ghettoize the Palestinians - but they are not into complete genocide (at least most are not - though there are some real extremists on both sides)

Yes they could do it today but the Zionists are far too clever for that, kill as many people as you can every chance you get,and claim self defence, and you can kill the rest by limiting their access to food and medicine.

Darkrepeater · 28-07-2014 03:22PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Which is equally unacceptable.

It's a bit like people often calling the Syrians Arabs.. Which a few of us know they're not..

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-07-2014 03:26PM

Surely they haven't gone and done it again

Dr. Ramy Abdu ‏@RamAbdu 1m

#Breaking Dozens of Children and patients have been killed and injured in a new Israeli attack on Al-Shifa Hospital

https://twitter.com/Belalmd12

WakeUp · 28-07-2014 03:29PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Let me see.........

No.

It may shock you to learn that I may post my opinions without you approving of them.

it's your opinion then. and you can't back it up..of course you are free to post your opinion that doesn't make it true though . it may shock you to learn that if you're claiming something as fact like Hamas and Isis are allies you need to do better than offering an opinion. your opinion doesn't prove anything you made the statement the burden of proof is on you..can you back it up with more than an opinion it's a mighty claim with many an implication you are making? I don't think you can but I'll ask anyway .by the way don't suppose you're going to reply to the question I put to you twice , explaining the logic behind Israel blowing up houses to get the bad guys after they have been warned and most certainly left the building? so really it's just blowing up a house and killing civilians . have you any opinions on that..

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 03:35PM

WakeUp wrote: »

it's your opinion then. and you can't back it up..of course you are free to post your opinion that doesn't make it true though . it may shock you to learn that if you're claiming something as fact like Hamas and Isis are allies you need to do better than offering an opinion. your opinion doesn't prove anything you made the statement the burden of proof is on you..can you back it up with more than an opinion it's a mighty claim with many an implication you are making? I don't think you can but I'll ask anyway .by the way don't suppose you're going to reply to the question I put to you twice , explaining the logic behind Israel blowing up houses to get the bad guys after they have been warned and most certainly left the building? so really it's just blowing up a house and killing civilians . have you any opinions on that..

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

As for my opinion on Israel blowing up homes. It's very sad. I would love if it wasn't happening.

I suspect, the Israeli Army's reason for notifying inhabitants beforehand is to reduce civilian causalities, while at the same time seeking to destroy buildings used by terrorists. I guess the intent is to demolish buildings used by terrorists in the hope of turning the bulk of Gaza against Hamas...I don't think it really works though, although it does reduce the number of civilian deaths (as opposed to an unannounced missile strike).

Nodin · 28-07-2014 03:38PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.
.

But you can supply no evidence for it. Hence your change of tune to "it is my opinion". It's a weasely way of repeating something with no basis in fact.

dav3 · 28-07-2014 03:39PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0728/633465-gaza-israel/

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has criticised a UN Security Council call for an immediate humanitarian truce in Gaza.

It appears they haven't finished their genocide yet.

I would ask people to continue to boycott as many israeli products as they can.

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 03:39PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

If it's a fact, then produce the fact that forms your opinion.

If you cannot, then it's a baseless opinion.

hju6 · 28-07-2014 03:40PM

"When you see it on TV, it's not like it is in real life."

Twelve-year-old Syed leans into a narrow concrete wall, staring at its rough grey surface as if his eyes could drill a hole to help him escape from his life.

"When we sat in the ambulance together, I thought he was going to live so I felt a bit better."

But by the time they reached the hospital, his little brother Mohammad was dead. Three of his cousins were also killed that fateful day on 16 July, as they played near Gaza's port when Israel shelled the area twice, in quick succession.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28513709

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 03:40PM

Nodin wrote: »

But you can supply no evidence for it. Hence your change of tune to "it is my opinion". It's a weasely way of repeating something with no basis in fact.

ISIS and Hamas are allies. That is my opinion. You may take it as fact or not.

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 03:41PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

As for my opinion on Israel blowing up homes. It's very sad. I would love if it wasn't happening.

I suspect, the Israeli Army's reason for notifying inhabitants beforehand is to reduce civilian causalities, while at the same time seeking to destroy buildings used by terrorists. I guess the intent is to demolish buildings used by terrorists in the hope of turning the bulk of Gaza against Hamas...I don't think it really works though, although it does reduce the number of civilian deaths (as opposed to an unannounced missile strike).

Like the ones last week on the children on the beach or the hospital?

OR TODAY!

http://news.sky.com/story/1308990/israeli-missile-hits-gaza-hospital-compound

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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