Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

dav3 · 28-07-2014 01:37PM

JC01 wrote: »

Mainly because this current conflict wouldn't actually be happening if it wasn't for the constant rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas.

Hamas have indiscriminatly fired ~2500 rockets into Israel since the 8th of July (2000 landed in Israel, around 450 have been intercepted by the Iron Dome system) it isn't israels fault that Hamas' rockets are the equivalent of a pea shooter compared to the military power they keep antagonising.

What is a proportionate response to Hamas firing their 'pea shooters'? How many pregnant women and children should be deliberately targeted and killed for each rocket? 1, 50, 500...more?

jank · 28-07-2014 01:39PM

bumper234 wrote: »

When you bring this level of destruction to city streets then you can be positive innocent civilians will die. How is it that the IDF can look at a group of men using a drone and tell exactly what weapons they are carrying but cannot tell the difference between grown men firing rockets and children playing? Men carrying guns and women and children on a rooftop?

Ah, so there is no deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children.

Peist2007 · 28-07-2014 01:41PM

jank wrote: »

A few things. Israel could if it wanted to eradicate the Palestinian people but choose not to. Therefore your claim is false.
Hamas as a political organisation wants to kill not only Israelis but all Jews. The preach genocide.
Israeli has Arabs and Muslims in their parliament, therefore it is wrong to compare Hamas and Israel as the same.

I think you have missed the whole point. Wiping out the Palestinians completely is within Israel's capability but not in its interests. Israel knows the world would not allow this to happen and would possibly lead to their leaders in the Hague. Wiping them out gradually and slowly breaking resistance is a far better method of getting to the endgame

end of the road · 28-07-2014 01:42PM

JC01 wrote: »

Mainly because this current conflict wouldn't actually be happening if it wasn't for the constant rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas.

Hamas have indiscriminatly fired ~2500 rockets into Israel since the 8th of July (2000 landed in Israel, around 450 have been intercepted by the Iron Dome system) it isn't israels fault that Hamas' rockets are the equivalent of a pea shooter compared to the military power they keep antagonising.

all because israel started the current aggression, little to no rockets were fired for a long time before the current conflict

end of the road · 28-07-2014 01:44PM

jank wrote: »

Ah, so there is no deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children.

i'm sure there is, but i should imagine israel won't be publishing it any time soon

JC01 · 28-07-2014 01:44PM

dav3 wrote: »

What is a proportionate response to Hamas firing their 'pea shooters'? How many pregnant women and children should be deliberately targeted and killed for each rocket? 1, 50, 500...more?

I never said it was proportionate, however common sense says that if ya throw rockets at a state such an Israel your gonna get a massive reponse, as has been the case for years. If Hamas care so much about there people why will they not stop firing rockets?? It's as though they want the response there getting..

end of the road · 28-07-2014 01:49PM

JC01 wrote: »

I never said it was proportionate, however common sense says that if ya throw rockets at a state such an Israel your gonna get a massive reponse, as has been the case for years. If Hamas care so much about there people why will they not stop firing rockets?? It's as though they want the response there getting..

because israel are stupid enough to over react, no matter whether rockets are fired or not israel will steal the land

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 01:55PM

jank wrote: »

Ah, so there is no deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children.

I don't know, Are you positive that there is not a "deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children"?

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 01:58PM

JC01 wrote: »

Mainly because this current conflict wouldn't actually be happening if it wasn't for the constant rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas.

Hamas have indiscriminatly fired ~2500 rockets into Israel since the 8th of July (2000 landed in Israel, around 450 have been intercepted by the Iron Dome system) it isn't israels fault that Hamas' rockets are the equivalent of a pea shooter compared to the military power they keep antagonising.

How many weapons have the IDF fired at areas populated mainly by civillians in Gaza?

jank · 28-07-2014 02:02PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I don't know, Are you positive that there is not a "deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children"?

You made the assertion that it is a deliberate tactic or strategy by the IDF high command or government. I called you up on it to provide proof. Now you want me to prove a negative in an effort to,distract from the fact that you cannot find any proof to further your claim. I'll take that as the point is conceded.

jank · 28-07-2014 02:06PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

I think you have missed the whole point. Wiping out the Palestinians completely is within Israel's capability but not in its interests. Israel knows the world would not allow this to happen and would possibly lead to their leaders in the Hague. Wiping them out gradually and slowly breaking resistance is a far better method of getting to the endgame

So you actually think Israel wants to perpetuate genocide on a gradual scale. Tell me do you have any proof of this? They aren't doing a good job of it so far if that is the case.

jank · 28-07-2014 02:07PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm sure there is, but i should imagine israel won't be publishing it any time soon

Why are you sure?

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 02:07PM

jank wrote: »

You made the assertion that it is a deliberate tactic or strategy by the IDF high command or government. I called you up on it to provide proof. Now you want me to prove a negative in an effort to,distract from the fact that you cannot find any proof to further your claim. I'll take that as the point is conceded.

Well the picture i posted is obvious proof that they are bombing civilian areas, If you bring destruction like that deliberately onto a civilian area you are assured to kill civilians (including children). There are a MULTITUDE of reports from award winning journalists about how bombs are raining down on civilian areas yet you want me to find the specific order or mandate in the Israeli army rules of engagement that states it's ok to kill innocent kids :rolleyes:

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 02:09PM

jank wrote: »

You made the assertion that it is a deliberate tactic or strategy by the IDF high command or government. I called you up on it to provide proof. Now you want me to prove a negative in an effort to,distract from the fact that you cannot find any proof to further your claim. I'll take that as the point is conceded.

The numbers speak for themselves.

BeerWolf · 28-07-2014 02:11PM

This came up last week in some ex-Prime Minister's blog... he's got some good points:

[SNIP] Don't link to sites that are clearly anti-Semetic.

LorMal · 28-07-2014 02:13PM

end of the road wrote: »

because israel are stupid enough to over react, no matter whether rockets are fired or not israel will steal the land

Whatever you want to call Israel, stupid they are not. It has already been explained to you that Israel has no strategic interest in reclaiming Gaza - it suits their interests for Gaza to exist.

Peist2007 · 28-07-2014 02:13PM

jank wrote: »

So you actually think Israel wants to perpetuate genocide on a gradual scale. Tell me do you have any proof of this? They aren't doing a good job of it so far if that is the case.

I would think that the continuous building of new settlements in areas which they have been expressly forbade to do so is sufficient proof that the Israeli's want the West Bank all for themselves eventually. They are doing an excellent job of it. The new settlements are completely illegal yet nothing is being done. I would call that a result.

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 02:24PM

LorMal wrote: »

Whatever you want to call Israel, stupid they are not. It has already been explained to you that Israel has no strategic interest in reclaiming Gaza - it suits their interests for Gaza to exist.

They just want to wipe out all the people that live there. If they have an excuse to bomb them that's all well and good but the long game is the seige which will kill them eventually.

comongethappy · 28-07-2014 02:26PM

RustyNut wrote: »

They just want to wipe out all the people that live there. If they have an excuse to bomb them that's all well and good but the long game is the seige which will kill them eventually.

Except that the Gazan population does nothing but increase & increase.

So if this is genocide, its the slowest genocide ever
.... Or that your simply & hysterically wrong.

jank · 28-07-2014 02:26PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Well the picture i posted is obvious proof that they are bombing civilian areas, If you bring destruction like that deliberately onto a civilian area you are assured to kill civilians (including children). There are a MULTITUDE of reports from award winning journalists about how bombs are raining down on civilian areas yet you want me to find the specific order or mandate in the Israeli army rules of engagement that states it's ok to kill innocent kids :rolleyes:

If you can't prove basic assertions you make then don't make them. Nobody as far as I can see has claimed that Israel are deliberately going out if their way yo kill children besides a few posters on the inter web. Has any journalist worth their salt or media outlet stated this?

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:27PM

end of the road wrote: »

the zionist government of israel are an extremist fundamentalist group, who want to eradicate the palestinian population so they can take the territories as their own for a full jewish state, They are, though some won't admit it, a slightly more presentable stand of fundamentalist extremist, but not for much longer.

islamism? what group is that now, a made up group like your bull clame about hamas and isis being allies? are you going to withdraw that claim or provide evidence for it?

There seems to be a school of thought that if you can't find someone on the internet who has said something before you (that ISIS and Hamas are effectively allies) then it can't be true.

I am saying that ISIS and Hamas are allies, sharing many of the same motivations, desires, methodology and culture of jihad. I care not that no one in the online word has created a blog about it yet.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

are you going to withdraw your clame that hamas and isis are allies?

Why would I? I believe it to be true.

Herb Powell · 28-07-2014 02:28PM

JC01 wrote: »

Mainly because this current conflict wouldn't actually be happening if it wasn't for the constant rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas.

Hamas have indiscriminatly fired ~2500 rockets into Israel since the 8th of July (2000 landed in Israel, around 450 have been intercepted by the Iron Dome system) it isn't israels fault that Hamas' rockets are the equivalent of a pea shooter compared to the military power they keep antagonising.

Nah that's bull****, and goes back exactly to what I said.

This was decided upon as soon as those 3 young lads went missing, before any rockets were fired.

Israel started pushing, looking for a culprit, arresting people randomly, genrally being heavy-handed.

IMO they saw they opportunity and fuccking ran all the way past the finish line with it.

jank · 28-07-2014 02:29PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

I would think that the continuous building of new settlements in areas which they have been expressly forbade to do so is sufficient proof that the Israeli's want the West Bank all for themselves eventually. They are doing an excellent job of it. The new settlements are completely illegal yet nothing is being done. I would call that a result.

I don't agree with the settlements either but building settlements does not kill people as you tried to claim. Where is the proof that Israel want to kill all Paletinaisns?

LorMal · 28-07-2014 02:29PM

RustyNut wrote: »

They just want to wipe out all the people that live there. If they have an excuse to bomb them that's all well and good but the long game is the seige which will kill them eventually.[/

If they wanted to do that they could do it now. I do not think that is their position.
They want to ghettoize the Palestinians - but they are not into complete genocide (at least most are not - though there are some real extremists on both sides)

jank · 28-07-2014 02:33PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

This came up last week in some ex-Prime Minister's blog... he's got some good points:

[SNIP] Don't link to sites that are clearly anti-Semetic.

Good point as he comes across as a complete bigot and anti Semite?

BeerWolf · 28-07-2014 02:34PM

jank wrote: »

Good point as he comes across as a complete bigot and anti Semite?

He was pointing out how hypocritical Israel is, genius...

dav3 · 28-07-2014 02:36PM

jank wrote: »

If you can't prove basic assertions you make then don't make them. Nobody as far as I can see has claimed that Israel are deliberately going out if their way yo kill children besides a few posters on the inter web. Has any journalist worth their salt or media outlet stated this?

We have the pictures and quotes below. Most Irish people know that the IDF are rotten to the core. They always have been and always will be.

http://news.sky.com/story/678761/israeli-army-t-shirts-mock-gaza-killings[/QUOTE]

The t-shirts were printed for Israeli soldiers at the end of periods of deployment or training courses and were discovered by Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

One, printed for a platoon of Israeli snipers depicts an armed Palestinian pregnant women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with the disturbing caption in English: "1 shot 2 kills".

Another depicts a child carrying a gun also in the centre of a target.

"The smaller, the harder," read the words on the t-shirt.

Another shows an Israeli soldier blowing up a mosque and reads "Only God forgives".

Above a ninja figure, yet another shirt bears the slogan "Won't chill until I confirm a kill".

Perhaps the most shocking design shows a Palestinian mother weeping next to her dead baby's grave, also in the crosshairs of a rifle.

It suggests it would have been better if the child had never been born, with the slogan "Better use Durex".

Ex-soldier and campaigner with Breaking The Silence, Michael Maniken, told Sky News Online this week's revelations suggest a pattern of immoral conduct in the army.

"The army keeps on saying we're talking about a few rotten apples but it seems the army doesn't understand there's a norm in this kind of action," he explained.

"We're hearing about this time and time again and the army seems disconnected from reality."

tayto lover · 28-07-2014 02:39PM

jank wrote: »

Good point as he comes across as a complete bigot and anti Semite?

He was 100% right and also correct about Israel being a terrorist state.

Uriel. · 28-07-2014 02:42PM

Nice to see the Israeli Embassy in Ireland can bring a sense of Irishness to their genocidal campaign.

I am sure they'll get a strongly worded email from our DFA. :rolleyes:

THE ISRAELI EMBASSY in Ireland has deleted a picture that shows the Molly Malone statue in full Muslim dress.
The pictures were posted on social media over the weekend and contained European landmarks in Muslim dress or armed with weapons. It contains the slogan “Israel is the last frontier of the free world”.
The posting of the pictures sparked a fierce backlash online and the pictures were subsequently deleted, though an embassy spokesperson told The Sun they weren’t sure why.
Official embassy account @IsraelinIreland has now deleted this tweet. Whoops. https://t.co/VJAUn3GG1Q pic.twitter.com/vqHicQt7D6
— Ben White (@benabyad) July 26, 2014
Source: Ben White/Twitter
Shockingly racist, hateful tweet from the Israeli Embassy in Ireland -> RT @IsraelinIreland http://t.co/xobb630XiG
— John Horne (@JohnHorneUK) July 26, 2014
Source: John Horne/Twitter
Amazingly, this is from a verified account RT @IsraelinIreland: http://t.co/MLmUGWNDCA
— Colette Browne (@colettebrowne) July 25, 2014
Source: Colette Browne/Twitter
OMG @IsraelinIreland - are you, like, 12 years old? https://t.co/oBHPq9QRTB
— Paul Moloney (@oceanclub) July 25, 2014
Source: Paul Moloney/Twitter
Last week, the embassy tweeted a picture that compared Hamas to Hitler.
http://t.co/iFQhQLwQSc Hamas take lead from Hitler pic.twitter.com/3V2JDAgDVK
— Israel in Ireland (@IsraelinIreland) July 23, 2014
Source: Israel in Ireland/Twitter
The Israeli ambassador told the Daily Telegraph that he would not comment on the pictures because “we are now in the middle of a war and I have other things to deal with”.
Calls to the Israeli Embassy went unanswered this morning and a request for comment has not been returned.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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