JC01 wrote: » Mainly because this current conflict wouldn't actually be happening if it wasn't for the constant rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas. Hamas have indiscriminatly fired ~2500 rockets into Israel since the 8th of July (2000 landed in Israel, around 450 have been intercepted by the Iron Dome system) it isn't israels fault that Hamas' rockets are the equivalent of a pea shooter compared to the military power they keep antagonising.
bumper234 wrote: » When you bring this level of destruction to city streets then you can be positive innocent civilians will die. How is it that the IDF can look at a group of men using a drone and tell exactly what weapons they are carrying but cannot tell the difference between grown men firing rockets and children playing? Men carrying guns and women and children on a rooftop?
jank wrote: » A few things. Israel could if it wanted to eradicate the Palestinian people but choose not to. Therefore your claim is false. Hamas as a political organisation wants to kill not only Israelis but all Jews. The preach genocide. Israeli has Arabs and Muslims in their parliament, therefore it is wrong to compare Hamas and Israel as the same.
jank wrote: » Ah, so there is no deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children.
dav3 wrote: » What is a proportionate response to Hamas firing their 'pea shooters'? How many pregnant women and children should be deliberately targeted and killed for each rocket? 1, 50, 500...more?
JC01 wrote: » I never said it was proportionate, however common sense says that if ya throw rockets at a state such an Israel your gonna get a massive reponse, as has been the case for years. If Hamas care so much about there people why will they not stop firing rockets?? It's as though they want the response there getting..
bumper234 wrote: » I don't know, Are you positive that there is not a "deliberate order or mandate that calls for the killing of children"?
Peist2007 wrote: » I think you have missed the whole point. Wiping out the Palestinians completely is within Israel's capability but not in its interests. Israel knows the world would not allow this to happen and would possibly lead to their leaders in the Hague. Wiping them out gradually and slowly breaking resistance is a far better method of getting to the endgame
end of the road wrote: » i'm sure there is, but i should imagine israel won't be publishing it any time soon
jank wrote: » You made the assertion that it is a deliberate tactic or strategy by the IDF high command or government. I called you up on it to provide proof. Now you want me to prove a negative in an effort to,distract from the fact that you cannot find any proof to further your claim. I'll take that as the point is conceded.
end of the road wrote: » because israel are stupid enough to over react, no matter whether rockets are fired or not israel will steal the land
jank wrote: » So you actually think Israel wants to perpetuate genocide on a gradual scale. Tell me do you have any proof of this? They aren't doing a good job of it so far if that is the case.
LorMal wrote: » Whatever you want to call Israel, stupid they are not. It has already been explained to you that Israel has no strategic interest in reclaiming Gaza - it suits their interests for Gaza to exist.
RustyNut wrote: » They just want to wipe out all the people that live there. If they have an excuse to bomb them that's all well and good but the long game is the seige which will kill them eventually.
bumper234 wrote: » Well the picture i posted is obvious proof that they are bombing civilian areas, If you bring destruction like that deliberately onto a civilian area you are assured to kill civilians (including children). There are a MULTITUDE of reports from award winning journalists about how bombs are raining down on civilian areas yet you want me to find the specific order or mandate in the Israeli army rules of engagement that states it's ok to kill innocent kids :rolleyes:
end of the road wrote: » the zionist government of israel are an extremist fundamentalist group, who want to eradicate the palestinian population so they can take the territories as their own for a full jewish state, They are, though some won't admit it, a slightly more presentable stand of fundamentalist extremist, but not for much longer. islamism? what group is that now, a made up group like your bull clame about hamas and isis being allies? are you going to withdraw that claim or provide evidence for it?
end of the road wrote: » are you going to withdraw your clame that hamas and isis are allies?
Peist2007 wrote: » I would think that the continuous building of new settlements in areas which they have been expressly forbade to do so is sufficient proof that the Israeli's want the West Bank all for themselves eventually. They are doing an excellent job of it. The new settlements are completely illegal yet nothing is being done. I would call that a result.
RustyNut wrote: » They just want to wipe out all the people that live there. If they have an excuse to bomb them that's all well and good but the long game is the seige which will kill them eventually.[/ If they wanted to do that they could do it now. I do not think that is their position. They want to ghettoize the Palestinians - but they are not into complete genocide (at least most are not - though there are some real extremists on both sides)
BeerWolf wrote: » This came up last week in some ex-Prime Minister's blog... he's got some good points:[SNIP] Don't link to sites that are clearly anti-Semetic.
jank wrote: » Good point as he comes across as a complete bigot and anti Semite?
jank wrote: » If you can't prove basic assertions you make then don't make them. Nobody as far as I can see has claimed that Israel are deliberately going out if their way yo kill children besides a few posters on the inter web. Has any journalist worth their salt or media outlet stated this?
The t-shirts were printed for Israeli soldiers at the end of periods of deployment or training courses and were discovered by Israeli newspaper Haaretz. One, printed for a platoon of Israeli snipers depicts an armed Palestinian pregnant women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with the disturbing caption in English: "1 shot 2 kills". Another depicts a child carrying a gun also in the centre of a target. "The smaller, the harder," read the words on the t-shirt.
Another shows an Israeli soldier blowing up a mosque and reads "Only God forgives". Above a ninja figure, yet another shirt bears the slogan "Won't chill until I confirm a kill".
Perhaps the most shocking design shows a Palestinian mother weeping next to her dead baby's grave, also in the crosshairs of a rifle. It suggests it would have been better if the child had never been born, with the slogan "Better use Durex".
Ex-soldier and campaigner with Breaking The Silence, Michael Maniken, told Sky News Online this week's revelations suggest a pattern of immoral conduct in the army. "The army keeps on saying we're talking about a few rotten apples but it seems the army doesn't understand there's a norm in this kind of action," he explained. "We're hearing about this time and time again and the army seems disconnected from reality."
THE ISRAELI EMBASSY in Ireland has deleted a picture that shows the Molly Malone statue in full Muslim dress. The pictures were posted on social media over the weekend and contained European landmarks in Muslim dress or armed with weapons. It contains the slogan “Israel is the last frontier of the free world”. The posting of the pictures sparked a fierce backlash online and the pictures were subsequently deleted, though an embassy spokesperson told The Sun they weren’t sure why. Official embassy account @IsraelinIreland has now deleted this tweet. Whoops. https://t.co/VJAUn3GG1Q pic.twitter.com/vqHicQt7D6 — Ben White (@benabyad) July 26, 2014 Source: Ben White/Twitter Shockingly racist, hateful tweet from the Israeli Embassy in Ireland -> RT @IsraelinIreland http://t.co/xobb630XiG — John Horne (@JohnHorneUK) July 26, 2014 Source: John Horne/Twitter Amazingly, this is from a verified account RT @IsraelinIreland: http://t.co/MLmUGWNDCA — Colette Browne (@colettebrowne) July 25, 2014 Source: Colette Browne/Twitter OMG @IsraelinIreland - are you, like, 12 years old? https://t.co/oBHPq9QRTB — Paul Moloney (@oceanclub) July 25, 2014 Source: Paul Moloney/Twitter Last week, the embassy tweeted a picture that compared Hamas to Hitler.http://t.co/iFQhQLwQSc Hamas take lead from Hitler pic.twitter.com/3V2JDAgDVK — Israel in Ireland (@IsraelinIreland) July 23, 2014 Source: Israel in Ireland/Twitter The Israeli ambassador told the Daily Telegraph that he would not comment on the pictures because “we are now in the middle of a war and I have other things to deal with”. Calls to the Israeli Embassy went unanswered this morning and a request for comment has not been returned.
