Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 10:52AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Live under the spectre of terror for long enough and you start losing your humanity.

:pac:

Can you not see how simply ironic that statement is?

dav3 · 28-07-2014 10:53AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

They share (some) motivations, methodology and desires.

I'm not sure you even understand what you're talking about.

How do you think the Palestinian people would feel about being ruled by isis?

I thought you might be here just to stir the pot. But your lack of knowledge on the whole situation is quite apparent.

Darkrepeater · 28-07-2014 10:56AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Here you go

I don't think those people doing the stoning were Christians..?

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 10:56AM

dav3 wrote: »

How do you think the Palestinian people would feel about being ruled by isis?

Those that voted for Hamas would be fairly content with it I'd imagine. The many Palestinians who crave peace and development would be disgusted no doubt.

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 11:00AM

bumper234 wrote: »

The bible tells us to stone women, Some radicals would go with that MOST won't. Not every Muslim takes the Koran literally you know. What the sweet **** does a 2 year old baby know about the Koran anyway?

Darkrepeater wrote: »

I've never heard that the holy bible or holy Quran tells its followers to do either..? Please can you quote from either book where it's says either of what you have claimed..?

Darkrepeater wrote: »

I don't think those people doing the stoning were Christians..?

Where in my post did i say Christians? I said that the bible ALSO has some stupid **** in it that some radicals would take seriously just as the Koran has some stupid **** in it and some radicals take seriously.

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 11:03AM

getzls wrote: »

The people in Gaza knew exactly what they were voting for and what would happen if Hamas got elected.

They are not disappointed, what they wanted is happening.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.

Whatever pretence of intellectual legitimacy you may think you possess in your drivel has been clearly wiped away with this incredibly stupid statement.

You've proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that your idiotic rubbish isn't even worth skimming through for an opposing point of view, because your view is, frankly, shit.

Donkey Oaty · 28-07-2014 11:08AM

Eid Mubarak, everyone!

donegal__road · 28-07-2014 11:09AM

Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services program in which over 1,500 German scientists, technicians, and engineers from Nazi Germany and other foreign countries were brought to the United States for employment in the aftermath of World War II.

One purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific expertise and knowledge to the Soviet Union and the United Kingdom, as well as inhibiting post-war Germany from redeveloping its military research capabilities.

Some of these ex Nazi scientists helped develop American missile technology, and rocket technology. One of the more notable being Von Braun who worked for NASA on the Apollo 11 program.

Isn't it extremely ironic that many of the missiles supplied to Israel are designed and made by Lockheed Martin, and the drawing board of ex Nazi scientist Werhner Von Braun.

bodice ripper · 28-07-2014 11:14AM

And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news.

bboybaboy19 · 28-07-2014 11:48AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Where in my post did i say Christians? I said that the bible ALSO has some stupid **** in it that some radicals would take seriously just as the Koran has some stupid **** in it and some radicals take seriously.

Forgot about the crusades then
Islam does appear to be going through it's own version.

Darkrepeater · 28-07-2014 12:37PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Where in my post did i say Christians? I said that the bible ALSO has some stupid **** in it that some radicals would take seriously just as the Koran has some stupid **** in it and some radicals take seriously.

I'm not looking an argument.. You said the bible teaches to stone people when the passage you quoted is a story about non Christians stoning people not people who follow the bible, namely Christians..
And as anyone knows both Christianity and Islam preaches tolerance, love and respect for your fellow man.. Not stoning and killing people.. Yes there is story's in them about such things.. But it is not the message of either book

LorMal · 28-07-2014 12:42PM

dav3 wrote: »

Nobody mentioned a "conspiracy", you can surely get your point across without the hyperbole.

The facts are there for people to make their own decisions. Let's see how the next few days play out. Let's see how much the lies and propaganda peddled by the likes of Regev and the rest of the Israeli mouthpieces go unchallenged.

What you said was that 'RTE during this genocide, has a clear pro-israeli bias'.

Your 'proof' turned out to be a technical error. So, if you are going to insist on this silliness, please explain how this bias works..Have the reporters been told to take a pro-Israeli slant? Is this a policy decided by the Board of Governors? Have they been told by Government to side with Israel? Is it an editorial decision? Have they been intimidated by the Israeli Embassy? Have they been infiltrated by Mossad?

Or is this just your emotions getting the better of you? As I have stated before, there is plenty of pro-Israeli bias in the media - but it is in the US rather than in Ireland (and generally not in Europe). In fact, the vast majority of the coverage has been rightly sympathetic to the Palestinians and critical of the Israelis.
(My own view is that Hamas is also to blame).

OneEightSeven · 28-07-2014 12:44PM

Darkrepeater wrote: »

And as anyone knows both Christianity and Islam preaches tolerance, love and respect for your fellow man.. Not stoning and killing people.. Yes there is story's in them about such things.. But it is not the message of either book

Both books are very contradictory. They both preach hate and tolerance.

Plenty about stoning here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/001-adultery_punishment.htm

LorMal · 28-07-2014 12:50PM

dav3 wrote: »

I suggest you need to educate yourself more if that's your opinion. Do you honestly believe they are allies?
Using your logic through tenuous links, The Israeli government and leadership is allied with the Syrian government and leadership.

You can be pro Palestinian and be anti-Hammas - I know I am.
Hammas are Islamic fundementalist terrorists. Their tactics hurt their own people more than they hurt the Israelis.

Darkrepeater · 28-07-2014 12:53PM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Both books are very contradictory. They both preach hate and tolerance.

Without derailing the thread much more with this one.. The web page you just posted to is about an islamicphobic born again Christian site as you get..
Not much tolerance towards others there...
Lol. Anyway. Let's move on mate

end of the road · 28-07-2014 01:08PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas are radical, militant islamists with a vow to destroy the state of Israel. They are, though some won't admit it, a slightly more presentable stand of militant

the zionist government of israel are an extremist fundamentalist group, who want to eradicate the palestinian population so they can take the territories as their own for a full jewish state, They are, though some won't admit it, a slightly more presentable stand of fundamentalist extremist, but not for much longer.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Islamism than ISIS. They share the same goals, methods and motivations. They are, in my opinion, allies.

islamism? what group is that now, a made up group like your bull clame about hamas and isis being allies? are you going to withdraw that claim or provide evidence for it?

tayto lover · 28-07-2014 01:09PM

getzls wrote: »

You should if as you say you are an educated person side with the Jews.

They have not vowed to kill every Muslim in the World.

Islam has vowed to kill every Jew in the World.

Here is a group of "terrorists" murdered by your brilliant army, the IDF.
I bet you are really proud of them.

http://humanizepalestine.com/2014/07/22/in-memory-al-kilani-family/

OneEightSeven · 28-07-2014 01:09PM

Darkrepeater wrote: »

Without derailing the thread much more with this one.. The web page you just posted to is about an islamicphobic born again Christian site as you get..
Not much tolerance towards others there...
Lol. Anyway. Let's move on mate

I didn't check the source, but explain this one to me: if both religions preach tolerance, love and respect for your fellow man, then why is homosexuality condemned in both religions?

tayto lover · 28-07-2014 01:11PM

getzls wrote: »

Why should Israel make it fair?
The Arabs want to wipe them out to the last child.
The Koran tells them too.

Should Israel give them the arms to do it?
Maybe throw in a few Nuclear bombs as well?

You have thrown in every stupid argument available to you.
Surely even you can't believe all that bull.

end of the road · 28-07-2014 01:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas and ISIS share more in common than just a shared enemy (as Israel and Syria share). They share (some) motivations, methodology and desires.

are you going to withdraw your clame that hamas and isis are allies?

Herb Powell · 28-07-2014 01:13PM

Why do people keep saying "..but Hamas..." ?

It's really quite irrelevant what Hamas have done when Israel bombs the living **** out of everything and everyone in Gaza.

The IDF claiming that they try to minimise civilian casualties does not actually make it so.

It's an absolute joke what Israel are getting away with, and what people will do to justify it.

I don't know if there's actually anything else I can add to this thread, because the same people keep avoiding the same questions with the same tired, irrelevant points.

end of the road · 28-07-2014 01:14PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Those that voted for Hamas would be fairly content with it I'd imagine. The many Palestinians who crave peace and development would be disgusted no doubt.

withdraw the clame that hamas and isis are allies

jank · 28-07-2014 01:16PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No one is saying the fighting i solely Israels fault because they are better equipped and better fighters. We are saying the massive civilian casualties, the bombings of hospitals, the deliberate targeting of children playing football is solely the fault of Israel.

Deliberate? I hazard a guess that this is an assumption unless you can point me to a mandate or order by the Israeli government or IDF
That called for the deliberate targeting of children in the West Bank.

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 01:17PM

getzls wrote: »

Why should Israel make it fair?
The Arabs want to wipe them out to the last child.
The Koran tells them too.

Can you quote the passage from the Quran that tells arabs to wipe out Israelis or is that a lie.

Memnoch · 28-07-2014 01:21PM

getzls wrote: »

You should if as you say you are an educated person side with the Jews.

They have not vowed to kill every Muslim in the World.

Islam has vowed to kill every Jew in the World.

I'm not interested in siding with Jews or Muslims. My concerns are with the actions of the Israeli government, which is a political entity. These actions amount to war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace for which they deserve the strongest censure and prosecution by the international criminal court.

jank · 28-07-2014 01:22PM

Memnoch wrote: »

Israel are to blame because collective punishment of a civilian population is a war crime.

I can only speak for myself. I am educated and consider myself to be a fair minded person. I have no bias in favour of Muslims or Arabs, nor do I hold any kind of prejudice towards Israel or Jewish people. My opinions are formed based on what I've seen of the conflict thus far and the conclusion I've come to is that the Israeli government has no interest in peace. Their actions show that they want to slowly and surely eradicate the palestinian people and they do this by using the pretext of Hamas aggression. The current conflict is a typical example of this.

This is not surprising since the Israeli government have all the power and can do whatever they want without any real consequences. They have nothing to gain from peace, because peace would mean a fair division of land that they are occupying through illegal settlements. The casualties inflicted by Hamas are not enough to deter them and are dismissed as a few necessary sacrifices in the greater goal of occupying all the land. They seem to view this as a more viable strategy for long term peace and security.

Hamas are a terrorist organisation. If you want to hold the Israeli government to the same standards as a terrorist organisation then you should admit and accept that they are no better/different.

As it stands, Israel is an apartheid state and I am absolutely disgusted by their behaviour. The only reason they have escaped severe global censure is because of America's veto in the UN security council.

A few things. Israel could if it wanted to eradicate the Palestinian people but choose not to. Therefore your claim is false.
Hamas as a political organisation wants to kill not only Israelis but all Jews. The preach genocide.
Israeli has Arabs and Muslims in their parliament, therefore it is wrong to compare Hamas and Israel as the same.

OneEightSeven · 28-07-2014 01:22PM

jank wrote: »

Deliberate? I hazard a guess that this is an assumption unless you can point me to a mandate or order by the Israeli government or IDF
That called for the deliberate targeting of children in the West Bank.

I was of the opinion the innocent Palestinian casualties were collateral damage, but after seeing a video of a man being murdered by a sniper as lay helpless in the rubble and a group of kids on a beach being shelled by the IDF navy, I didn't see any reason why they should have been killed. It's looks like murder.

jank · 28-07-2014 01:26PM

Darkrepeater wrote: »

Sorry but, if you are as your name suggests an American, you's have been defending the actions of Israel for too long.. 3 Israeli dead civilians vs 1000 odd dead Palestinians now is hardly comparable.. Just in the few weeks..
Also a massive difference between home made rockets and ballistic rockets..

I am not American and have not posted on this topic until today so not sure why the "too long" argument comes into it.

JC01 · 28-07-2014 01:32PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

Why do people keep saying "..but Hamas..." ?

It's really quite irrelevant what Hamas have done when Israel bombs the living **** out of everything and everyone in Gaza.

The IDF claiming that they try to minimise civilian casualties does not actually make it so.

It's an absolute joke what Israel are getting away with, and what people will do to justify it.

I don't know if there's actually anything else I can add to this thread, because the same people keep avoiding the same questions with the same tired, irrelevant points.

Mainly because this current conflict wouldn't actually be happening if it wasn't for the constant rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas.

Hamas have indiscriminatly fired ~2500 rockets into Israel since the 8th of July (2000 landed in Israel, around 450 have been intercepted by the Iron Dome system) it isn't israels fault that Hamas' rockets are the equivalent of a pea shooter compared to the military power they keep antagonising.

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 01:34PM

jank wrote: »

Deliberate? I hazard a guess that this is an assumption unless you can point me to a mandate or order by the Israeli government or IDF
That called for the deliberate targeting of children in the West Bank.

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When you bring this level of destruction to city streets then you can be positive innocent civilians will die. How is it that the IDF can look at a group of men using a drone and tell exactly what weapons they are carrying but cannot tell the difference between grown men firing rockets and children playing? Men carrying guns and women and children on a rooftop?

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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