Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Nodin · 27-07-2014 09:22PM

getzls wrote: »

Blatant Sectarian comment.:cool:

Not in the slightest.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/uvf-behind-racist-attacks-in-south-and-east-belfast-loyalist-paramilitary-group-behind-attacks-says-psni-30153199.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/18/nigerian-family-gives-up-new-home-loyalist-racist-protest-belfast-northern-Ireland

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-northern-ireland-couple-tell-abuse-Belfast

http://www.u.tv/News/Dramatic-rise-in-racism-attacks-in-NI/7d3f7b94-61df-40e8-b8bf-d564a9584703

LorMal · 27-07-2014 09:28PM

RayM wrote: »

Israel seems to love death equally - as long as its victims are mere 'Untermenschen'.

You were playing a blinder up to that. Very bad taste Ray

hju6 · 27-07-2014 09:30PM

getzls wrote: »

The people in Gaza knew exactly what they were voting for and what would happen if Hamas got elected.

They are not disappointed, what they wanted is happening.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

end of the road · 27-07-2014 09:31PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Looks like you're contributing to the Israeli war machine. You must feel disgusted with yourself? Your TV license contributing to pro Israeli propaganda.

you agree by your statement that palestinian civilians are "casualties of war" that israely civilians are the same?

getzls · 27-07-2014 09:32PM

Nodin wrote: »

Not in the slightest.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/uvf-behind-racist-attacks-in-south-and-east-belfast-loyalist-paramilitary-group-behind-attacks-says-psni-30153199.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/18/nigerian-family-gives-up-new-home-loyalist-racist-protest-belfast-northern-Ireland

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-northern-ireland-couple-tell-abuse-Belfast

http://www.u.tv/News/Dramatic-rise-in-racism-attacks-in-NI/7d3f7b94-61df-40e8-b8bf-d564a9584703

It was a Sectarian post you made and you know it.:cool:
I won't even look at those links, don't need to as your post was trying to tar everyone with the same brush.

Guess the Mods would take action on me if i called you a Bigot.:rolleyes:

end of the road · 27-07-2014 09:36PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Excerpts from the Hamas convenant/charter

Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

Leaving the circle of conflict with Israel is a major act of treason and it will bring curse on its perpetrators. “Who so on that day turns his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly has incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.” Sura 8 (al-Anfal—Spoils of War), verse 16

Article Five: Dimensions of Time and Space of the Hamas
As the Movement adopts Islam as its way of life, its time dimension extends back as far as the birth of the Islamic Message and of the Righteous Ancestor. Its ultimate goal is Islam, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution. Its special dimension extends wherever on earth there are Muslims, who adopt Islam as their way of life; thus, it penetrates to the deepest reaches of the land and to the highest spheres of Heavens.

Article Six: Peculiarity and Independence
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinct Palestinian Movement which owes its loyalty to Allah, derives from Islam its way of life and strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. Only under the shadow of Islam could the members of all regions coexist in safety and security for their lives, properties and rights. In the absence of Islam, conflict arises, oppression reigns, corruption is rampant and struggles and wars prevail

Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html?chocaid=397
One can read all the charter in the above link.

It is not an organisation that will ever seek peace with Israel.

and israel is a country that would seak peace with the palestinians? yeah right

end of the road · 27-07-2014 09:37PM

RobertKK wrote: »

All Gaza has to do is get Hamas to agree to a ceasefire and to stop breaking truces and ceasefires.

Hamas is the problem.

Pro-Palestinian protesters should be out protesting Hamas, which would be supporting Palestinians given Hamas see Jihad and dying for Islam as a sublime belief, as Hamas don't care about Palestinian deaths.

no . wrong again

Playboy · 27-07-2014 09:44PM

getzls wrote: »

Who is breaking the ceasefires?:rolleyes:

What are you talking about. Hamas didnt break this ceasefire, Israel did. Have you not got access to facts? Stop spouting propagandist nonsense. Hamas rockets are a reaction to mass arrests and murder of civilians by the IDF.

This Israeli operation, among others, was caused by rocket fire from Gaza.

Israel claims that its current and past wars against the Palestinian population in Gaza have been in response to rocket fire. Empirical evidence from 2008, 2012 and 2014 refute that claim. First, according to Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the greatest reduction of rocket fire came through diplomatic rather than military means. This chart demonstrates the correlation between Israel’s military attacks upon the Gaza Strip and Hamas militant activity. Hamas rocket fire increases in response to Israeli military attacks and decreases in direct correlation to them. Cease-fires have brought the greatest security to the region.

During the four months of the Egyptian-negotiated cease-fire in 2008, Palestinian militants reduced the number of rockets to zero or single digits from the Gaza Strip. Despite this relative security and calm, Israel broke the cease-fire to begin the notorious aerial and ground offensive that killed 1,400 Palestinians in twenty-two days. In November 2012, Israel’s extrajudicial assassination of Ahmad Jabari, the chief of Hamas’s military wing in Gaza, while he was reviewing terms for a diplomatic solution, again broke the cease-fire that precipitated the eight-day aerial offensive that killed 132 Palestinians.

Immediately preceding Israel’s most recent operation, Hamas rocket and mortar attacks did not threaten Israel. Israel deliberately provoked this war with Hamas. Without producing a shred of evidence, it accused the political faction of kidnapping and murdering three settlers near Hebron. Four weeks and almost 700 lives later, Israel has yet to produce any evidence demonstrating Hamas’s involvement. During ten days of Operation Brother’s Keeper in the West Bank, Israel arrested approximately 800 Palestinians without charge or trial, killed nine civilians and raided nearly 1,300 residential, commercial and public buildings. Its military operation targeted Hamas members released during the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange in 2011. It’s these Israeli provocations that precipitated the Hamas rocket fire to which Israel claims left it with no choice but a gruesome military operation.

http://www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked

h2005 · 27-07-2014 09:45PM

getzls wrote: »

The people in Gaza knew exactly what they were voting for and what would happen if Hamas got elected.

They are not disappointed, what they wanted is happening.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.

How can you type something that moronic?

Nodin · 27-07-2014 09:45PM

getzls wrote: »

It was a Sectarian post you made and you know it.:cool:
I won't even look at those links, don't need to as your post was trying to tar everyone with the same brush.

Guess the Mods would take action on me if i called you a Bigot.:rolleyes:

So lies and willfull ignorance. Plus ca change....

Karl Stein · 27-07-2014 09:49PM

john.han wrote: »

Blame the victim nonsense.

A loyalist sympathiser blaming innocent victims for their own violent deaths?

What a surprise.

end of the road · 27-07-2014 09:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Israel love life.

unless its a palestinian life

bumper234 · 27-07-2014 09:56PM

getzls wrote: »

No, i'm not a Loyalist.

I work on the principle of if you hit me i will hit you back.
And to deter you doing it again i will hit you hard.

This is what Israel is doing.
It is fair and as i see it, only terrorist supporters, mainly the same ones on this Forum that excused IRA murders support Hamas.

How can anyone support such an outright evil group as Hamas?

Same on you that do.
You are siding with the Devil.

If a man steps on your toe do you take out a gun and shoot him in the head? Do you then bomb his home and kill his family and all.of the families who.live near him? That's what Israel is doing.

end of the road · 27-07-2014 09:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Did the US intentionally bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade?

maybe they did, you will have to ask them

RobertKK wrote: »

Things don't always go to plan.

they certainly do for israel where civilians are concerned

Warper · 27-07-2014 09:58PM

Wait for this one from the IDF:

The Israeli army has confirmed it fired a mortar round into a Gaza UN shelter where 15 people died on Thursday, but denied killing anyone at the site.

Briefing journalists on the findings of an internal military inquiry into the incident at a UN school in Beit Hanun, spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner said militants "in the vicinity" of the school fired mortar rounds and anti-tank rockets at Israeli forces."A single errant mortar [round] landed in the courtyard of the school," he said.

"The courtyard was completely empty" at the time of the incident, he added.

"We reject the claims that were made by various officials immediately following the incident, that people were killed in the school premises as a result of [Israeli army] operational activity," he added.

An AFP photographer who went to the scene saw blood spattered on the ground and Gaza emergency services spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra said 15 people died in the blast and at least another 200 people were injured.

"Many have been killed -- including women and children," UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said in a statement, adding that he was "appalled".

Lt Col Lerner suggested the victims may have been hit in fighting raging elsewhere and "brought to the compound after injury" for first aid or shelter.

end of the road · 27-07-2014 10:07PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The people of Gaza voted for Hamas. When people do a stupid thing like this, what do they expect the terrorists they elected to do?
It is not the way towards peace.
Hamas are a fundamentalist extremist organisation who will never accept the right of Israel to exist.
They exported men, women and children into Israel with suicide vests and altogether blew up well over 800 Israeli civilians.
Would you allow such a group to build tunnels in now that the wall has stopped the suicide bombers from Gaza?
Would you allow them to send a rocket on average every 10 minutes for weeks now into your country.
Israel to do nothing was not an option.
They just want the rockets stopped and the tunnels into Israel destroyed.

Hamas is responsible for all the deaths in Gaza, if one starts a fight one knows one can't win and one knows will bring death, then they have to accept responsibility for the death of Gazans.
Israel didn't go into Gaza to kill civilians.

exactly, the israely population should be aware of that, vote in fundamentalists and wide spread slaughter is whats going to happen, It is not the way towards peace. the wall did not stop the suicide bombers, hamas stoped that operation as part of an agreement which israel broke as per, the amount of rockets fired is also nonsense, little to no rockets were fired for a long time before the current conflict, the majority of rockets are inefective. "They just want the rockets stopped and the tunnels into Israel destroyed" is delusianel nonsense, Israel did go into Gaza to kill civilians, end of discussion

RobertKK · 27-07-2014 10:11PM

The British and Irish governments had a blockade on shipments to the IRA. Ships searched, properties searched etc.
The blockade is against a terrorist regime that rules Gaza in this case.
Lift the blockade is to aid terrorism.

Shakespeare's Sister · 27-07-2014 10:13PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The British and Irish governments had a blockade on shipments to the IRA. Ships searched, properties searched etc.
The blockade is against a terrorist regime that rules Gaza in this case.
Lift the blockade is to aid terrorism.

It's weird the way you're so programmed to ignore hundreds of kids being slaughtered, except when it suits.

bumper234 · 27-07-2014 10:13PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The British and Irish governments had a blockade on shipments to the IRA. Ships searched, properties searched etc.
The blockade is against a terrorist regime that rules Gaza in this case.
Lift the blockade is to aid terrorism.

I don't recall any babies dying because the British army wouldn't let an ambulance through a checkpoint.

end of the road · 27-07-2014 10:14PM

mad muffin wrote: »

There's an easy solution for this conflict.

Forget about getting back settlements, they're gone.

The Arab word unite in the recognition of Israel.

Hamas disband, all weapons are decommissioned.

Israel helps rebuild Gaza, some kind of reparations are payed and a peace treaty signed.

It worked with Egypt and Jordan. Israel and the Palestinians need to let go of the fear and hate, otherwise peace will never happen.

the settlements are not gone and palestinians should not agree to anything until they are given back, the world is seeing israel for the fundamentalist extremist terrorist state that it is and they will be left with no option eventually but to go back to pre 1967 borders

end of the road · 27-07-2014 10:20PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Then there's at least that then. It just has me wondering if Fatah are secular why vote for Hamas to represent you?

why did support for the IRA increase after bloody sunday?

end of the road · 27-07-2014 10:23PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Then there will have to be two states with the current borders.

no, pre 1967 borders

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 27-07-2014 10:24PM

Well, the "prick" is off the frint page now. Has it made any difference to those suffering in the middle east?

Nope.

hatrickpatrick · 27-07-2014 10:41PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Well, the "prick" is off the frint page now.

A Dub in Glasgo · 27-07-2014 10:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

why did support for the IRA increase after bloody sunday?

Because the Irish are blood thirsty terrorists, it has nothing to do with massacre, murder and oppression :pac:

Capt'n Midnight · 27-07-2014 11:36PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Excerpts from the Hamas convenant/charter

Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

...
One can read all the charter in the above link.

It is not an organisation that will ever seek peace with Israel.

Are you Irish by any chance ??

Any political party can have a charter and change it anytime because it's not legally binding or written in stone.

Unlike something like Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution which more or less denied Northern Ireland the right to exist and can't be legally challenged , because constitution, and could only be changed by a majority in a national referendum.

A lot of the pro-Israel rhetoric is based on "what would your reaction be if this happened here ?" and completely ignoring that such things have already happened here and didn't result in genocide.

Thousands of people died in the Troubles in Northern Ireland. And while there were incidents of civilians being killed, there were no premeditated slaughters, there were no attacks on civilian areas by air , there were no attacks on civilian areas by crew served weapons.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-07-2014 12:21AM

On a slightly different topic one of the reasons Ronnie Regan's Star Wars missile defence system caused so much fuss was because if you have a perfect shield you can launch attacks without fear of reprisal and undermined the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction.

Today Israel have the Iron Dome system. Thanks to this and the early warnings there have been no Jewish civilians killed in Israel apart from one guy who was taking food to soldiers at a border post in a warzone.

Does anyone over there study history ??
Remember the Blitz on London. It didn't affect Morale. Even when the USAAF and RAF were wiping out cities in Germany industrial output was increasing. Forget about the infighting between Hamas and other groups, Israel is the common enemy.

There is no mutually assured destruction , the Politicians in Israel can do whatever they want knowing that Jewish civilian casualties will be minimal.

Karl Stein · 28-07-2014 12:47AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtJSyWK0zw

Capt'n Midnight · 28-07-2014 12:47AM

RobertKK wrote: »

The British and Irish governments had a blockade on shipments to the IRA. Ships ,searched, properties searched etc.
The blockade is against a terrorist regime that rules Gaza in this case.
Lift the blockade is to aid terrorism.

If those governments had conspired to reduce the imports of fruits, vegetables, milk, and meat and gas and electricity, liquid fuels, and blankets and generators for hospitals and at times wheelchairs, dry food items, and crayons, Stationery, soccer balls, and musical instruments , stuff in tin cans, canned fruit, fruit juices and chocolate and coriander (it's the middle east) , shampoo and shoes and imposed a blockade on all aircraft and shipping then maybe you'd have a point.

They didn't so you don't.

Stop claiming it's the same as what happened here when it bloody well isn't.

Every comparison like that just goes further to show how completely over the top the Israeli reaction is.

Darkrepeater · 28-07-2014 12:53AM

It's absolutely awful what the Israelis are doing there at the moment alright.. I can't see how it's a fair fight anyway..

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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