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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #2672
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Nodin wrote: »
    It shows just how isolated they really are.....

    "In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences. - "
    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/students-offered-scholarships-for-proisrael-posts-on-social-media-30462518.html

    the fact that world wide there have been demonstrations against the war and pro Palestine , yet as far as i know , no demos around the world supporting Israel or their state sponsored murder fest

    this fact says it ALL

    Israel out of gaza NOW !!!


  • #2673
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Watching the tip dub hurling, someone has a palestinian flag hung behind the goal


  • #2674
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    the fact that world wide there have been demonstrations against the war and pro Palestine , yet as far as i know , no demos around the world supporting Israel or their state sponsored murder fest

    Germany has had demonstrations on both sides - with some "uncomfortable alliances", as the BBC report puts it.


  • #2675
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Excerpts from the Hamas convenant/charter

    Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

    Leaving the circle of conflict with Israel is a major act of treason and it will bring curse on its perpetrators. “Who so on that day turns his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly has incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.” Sura 8 (al-Anfal—Spoils of War), verse 16

    Article Five: Dimensions of Time and Space of the Hamas
    As the Movement adopts Islam as its way of life, its time dimension extends back as far as the birth of the Islamic Message and of the Righteous Ancestor. Its ultimate goal is Islam, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution. Its special dimension extends wherever on earth there are Muslims, who adopt Islam as their way of life; thus, it penetrates to the deepest reaches of the land and to the highest spheres of Heavens.

    Article Six: Peculiarity and Independence
    The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinct Palestinian Movement which owes its loyalty to Allah, derives from Islam its way of life and strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. Only under the shadow of Islam could the members of all regions coexist in safety and security for their lives, properties and rights. In the absence of Islam, conflict arises, oppression reigns, corruption is rampant and struggles and wars prevail

    Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
    Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

    http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html?chocaid=397
    One can read all the charter in the above link.

    It is not an organisation that will ever seek peace with Israel.


  • #2676
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    mad muffin wrote: »
    I stopped at

    And skimmed the rest. Looks line an article Mel Gibson would be proud of :rolleyes:

    There's a fundamental issue that requires clarification, apparently.

    That is, Criticism of Israeli Military actions, policy and tactics =/= Criticism of any Religion.

    Therefore, The whole "Throw the Jew down the well" counter, is, to use a phrase I hate, a Strawman argument.

    It makes no difference what Religion a person is, if they are acting in an improper manner, criticism of those actions is not a criticism of their beliefs, it is a criticism of their actions. If a Christian punches you in the mouth and people condemn the punch, they are not condemning Christianity. That's just a convenient leap too far, to cry religious persecution.


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  • #2677
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    the fact that world wide there have been demonstrations against the war and pro Palestine , yet as far as i know , no demos around the world supporting Israel or their state sponsored murder fest

    this fact says it ALL

    Israel out of gaza NOW !!!

    All Gaza has to do is get Hamas to agree to a ceasefire and to stop breaking truces and ceasefires.

    Hamas is the problem.

    Pro-Palestinian protesters should be out protesting Hamas, which would be supporting Palestinians given Hamas see Jihad and dying for Islam as a sublime belief, as Hamas don't care about Palestinian deaths.


  • #2678
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    RobertKK wrote: »
    All Gaza has to do is get Hamas to agree to a ceasefire and to stop breaking truces and ceasefires.

    Hamas is the problem.

    Pro-Palestinian protesters should be out protesting Hamas, which would be supporting Palestinians given Hamas see Jihad and dying for Islam as a sublime belief, as Hamas don't care about Palestinian deaths.

    Does Israel care about Palestinian deaths?

    Incidentally, do you care about Palestinian deaths, or does your concern for the welfare of children begin and end with foetuses and same-sex marriage?


  • #2679
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    All Gaza has to do is get Hamas to agree to a ceasefire and to stop breaking truces and ceasefires.

    Hamas is the problem.

    Pro-Palestinian protesters should be out protesting Hamas, which would be supporting Palestinians given Hamas see Jihad and dying for Islam as a sublime belief, as Hamas don't care about Palestinian deaths.

    Do you recognise the deaths of civilians? Do you acknowledge that this is happening?

    At any point do you see that the ships, planes and tanks that are levelling an area with a civilian population in it belongs to israel.


  • #2680
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Do you recognise the deaths of civilians? Do you acknowledge that this is happening?

    At any point do you see that the ships, planes and tanks that are levelling an area with a civilian population in it belongs to israel.

    Don't forget the Drones.

    These, I find the most disturbing. First, they were launched purely as "observation" units and for surveilence . Then, they were used for "limited targeted strikes" against Terrorists, using hellfires. Now, they are a routine part of the war machine and are being used to strike civilian targets.

    So now, people need to fear a machine..a death machine. The terminator springs to mind. Can you imagine the stress of just moving from one place to the other, or sitting in your home, with faceless, pilotless Drones in the sky above, ready to slam a high-explosive rocket down on top of you? Just the thought of that has bugged me all day.


  • #2681
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    RayM wrote: »
    Does Israel care about Palestinian deaths?

    Incidentally, do you care about Palestinian deaths, or does your concern for the welfare of children begin and end with foetuses and same-sex marriage?

    Yes, Israel cares enough to warn of where they will target, unlike Hamas, who liked blowing up Israelis on buses and restaurants using Palestinian people.

    Yes I care, that is why I target Hamas who started the conflict and who intentionally brought death to hundreds of Palestinians.

    Hamas opposes same sex marriage and has contempt for homosexuals, unlike Israel which you oppose.
    Be careful who you back when making comments to previous discussions.
    Pro-Gaza/anti-Israel is not on the side of homosexuals


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/19/hamas-leaves-israel-no-choice
    From last year:
    Hamas's charter includes the aspiration that "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews)". While many concentrate on its death-cult worship, its bloodthirsty killing of adversaries, or its contempt for women, Christians and homosexuals, it is this aspiration for genocide that is at the root of Hamas activities. This is the primary reason why Hamas, the governing regime in Gaza, will never recognise or accept a peace accord with Israel in any form.
    about 10% of Hamas rockets fired from Gaza don't reach Israel, exploding in Gaza. Mohammed Sadallah – a four-year-old killed on Saturday, his body displayed in a press conference with Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas's leader – was, according to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, most likely killed by an errant Hamas rocket.
    Hamas leaders frequently declare that their people actively seek death. Fathi Hamad, a senior member of Hamas, stated in 2008 that "for the Palestinian people, death became an industry, at which women and children excel. Accordingly we created a human shield of women, children and elderly. We seek death as you [Israelis] desire life."

    People should be protesting Hamas, rather than being brainwashed about Israel being this terrible nation.

    The Egyptian army had the coup given the Muslim brotherhood are linked to Hamas, even the Egyptians say Hamas are terrorists.

    To save life, one can't sit around and say, Hamas has a right to fire rockets at Israel, build tunnels into Israel to kidnap and kill Israelis.
    Israel is only in Gaza because Hamas wanted them in.
    Hamas have deluded a lot of people into blaming Israel.


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  • #2682
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Do you recognise the deaths of civilians? Do you acknowledge that this is happening?

    At any point do you see that the ships, planes and tanks that are levelling an area with a civilian population in it belongs to israel.

    Of course I see civilian deaths.

    I see Israel defending itself, look at my previous post.


  • #2683
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes, Israel cares enough to warn of where they will target, unlike Hamas, who liked blowing up Israelis on buses and restaurants using Palestinian people.
    ...........

    Yeah, we're nearing a thousand dead because they care. Seriously.


  • #2684
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes, Israel cares enough to warn of where they will target, unlike Hamas, who liked blowing up Israelis on buses and restaurants using Palestinian people.

    Yes I care, that is why I target Hamas who started the conflict and who intentionally brought death to hundreds of Palestinians.

    Hamas opposes same sex marriage and has contempt for homosexuals, unlike Israel which you oppose.
    Be careful who you back when making snide comments to previous discussions.
    Pro-Gaza/anti-Israel is not on the side of homosexuals

    You seem to be assuming that I don't oppose Hamas. You know, it is possible to criticise Israel's murder of innocent children, whilst also finding Hamas equally deplorable. Neither Hamas nor Israel care about Palestinian civilians. Hamas, on the other hand, has neither the backing of the majority of 'western' nations, nor, thankfully, the ability to murder anywhere near as many civilians as Israel.


  • #2685
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Of course I see civilian deaths.

    I see Israel defending itself, look at my previous post.

    Slaughtering kids in a hospital is not self defence it is a war crime.
    All assets held in the EU by Israel and its citizens should be frozen, and immediate sanctions should be imposed on this terror state and its warmongering leader.


  • #2686
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    RobertKK - I've posted this before on this thread:

    Empathising with the Palestinians =/= Supporting Hamas
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    the fact that world wide there have been demonstrations against the war and pro Palestine , yet as far as i know , no demos around the world supporting Israel or their state sponsored murder fest

    this fact says it ALL

    Israel out of gaza NOW !!!

    In truth now there has been Israeli Solidarity demo's all around America and some in UK and Australia.. However not on the same scale or wide range of demographic as the Palestinian Solidarity marches..

    That said, my friend's house mate in Philadelphia who is a lovely guy, extremely liberal (we'd great drunken chats about the greatness of the show West Wing, but that a different story) - however since the Gaza bombings started he has been posting extensive Pro-Israel posts on his FB, and has joined the in with "Stand With Israel" marches. He is not the type of person you would expect to support such a bloodbath any where - was extremely strange and sad to see him support such a thing.. He has been following the line off "Israel just defending itself" and "Just targeting weapons".. Basically my point is that Israel has more supporters than you think, even after these atrocities..


  • #2687
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Of course I see civilian deaths.

    I see Israel defending itself


    How does deliberately targeting and killing children playing on a beach = defending itself?


  • #2688
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yeah, we're nearing a thousand dead because they care. Seriously.

    It is not the fault of Israel if Hamas intentionally puts weapons in civilian areas and then intentionally gets its people killed.
    Hamas love death and see it it as a virtue to seek, as a part of Islam and Jihad.

    I can show you a video from Gaza, a children's TV show where the children are discussing how great it is to die fighting Israel...and how great suicide bombers are.


  • #2689
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Even Hamas admit they love death just as much as Israel love life.

    Hamas: "We seek death as you [Israelis] desire life."


  • #2690
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    dav3 wrote: »
    How does deliberately targeting and killing children playing on a beach = defending itself?

    Did the US intentionally bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade?

    Things don't always go to plan.


  • #2691
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I think all the Israeli apologists must get the memo from Central HQ to describe everything, no matter how stupid it makes the person look, as 'defending ourselves'. The deluded duly oblige


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  • #2692
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is not the fault of Israel if Hamas intentionally puts weapons in civilian areas and then intentionally gets its people killed.
    Hamas love death and see it it as a virtue to seek, as a part of Islam and Jihad..

    Who says they do? The IDF - the people who are doing the killing.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I can show you a video from Gaza, a children's TV show where the children are discussing how great it is to die fighting Israel...and how great suicide bombers are.

    Yep. The one dubiously translated by the Israeli group MEMRI.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers#Translation_controversy

    Are you aware that Israel has been illegally colonising areas outside its borders for nearly 50 years?


  • #2693
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is not the fault of Israel if Hamas intentionally puts weapons in civilian areas and then intentionally gets its people killed.
    Hamas love death and see it it as a virtue to seek, as a part of Islam and Jihad.

    Israel seems to love death equally - as long as its victims are mere 'Untermenschen'.


  • #2694
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    I think all the Israeli apologists must get the memo from Central HQ to describe everything, no matter how stupid it makes the person look, as 'defending ourselves'. The deluded duly oblige

    'defending ourselves' 'we are a democracy' etc.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html


  • #2695
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    wprathead wrote: »
    RobertKK - I've posted this before on this thread:

    Empathising with the Palestinians =/= Supporting Hamas



    In truth now there has been Israeli Solidarity demo's all around America and some in UK and Australia.. However not on the same scale or wide range of demographic as the Palestinian Solidarity marches..

    That said, my friend's house mate in Philadelphia who is a lovely guy, extremely liberal (we'd great drunken chats about the greatness of the show West Wing, but that a different story) - however since the Gaza bombings started he has been posting extensive Pro-Israel posts on his FB, and has joined the in with "Stand With Israel" marches. He is not the type of person you would expect to support such a bloodbath any where - was extremely strange and sad to see him support such a thing.. He has been following the line off "Israel just defending itself" and "Just targeting weapons".. Basically my point is that Israel has more supporters than you think, even after these atrocities..

    The people of Gaza voted for Hamas. When people do a stupid thing like this, what do they expect the terrorists they elected to do?
    It is not the way towards peace.
    Hamas are a fundamentalist extremist organisation who will never accept the right of Israel to exist.
    They exported men, women and children into Israel with suicide vests and altogether blew up well over 800 Israeli civilians.
    Would you allow such a group to build tunnels in now that the wall has stopped the suicide bombers from Gaza?
    Would you allow them to send a rocket on average every 10 minutes for weeks now into your country.
    Israel to do nothing was not an option.
    They just want the rockets stopped and the tunnels into Israel destroyed.

    Hamas is responsible for all the deaths in Gaza, if one starts a fight one knows one can't win and one knows will bring death, then they have to accept responsibility for the death of Gazans.
    Israel didn't go into Gaza to kill civilians.


  • #2696
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Nodin wrote: »
    Who says they do? The IDF - the people who are doing the killing.


    Yep. The one dubiously translated by the Israeli group MEMRI.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers#Translation_controversy

    Are you aware that Israel has been illegally colonising areas outside its borders for nearly 50 years?

    I am aware of the settlements in the West Bank.

    We are talking about Gaza and Hamas terrorism which started the current conflict.


  • #2697
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RobertKK wrote: »
    ................
    Israel didn't go into Gaza to kill civilians.

    This explains it
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91377307&postcount=1295

    Do you condemn the settlements in the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and the Golan?

    Why do you presume that Hamas "started it"?


  • #2698
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Israel didn't go into Gaza to kill civilians.

    Are you sure about that?

    The IDF and Israelis wear these t-shirts with pride.

    http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Mar/Week3/118790/default/v0/15245789-522x293.jpg

    http://news.sky.com/story/678761/israeli-army-t-shirts-mock-gaza-killings
    One, printed for a platoon of Israeli snipers depicts an armed Palestinian pregnant women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with the disturbing caption in English: "1 shot 2 kills".

    Another depicts a child carrying a gun also in the centre of a target.

    "The smaller, the harder," read the words on the t-shirt.
    Another shows an Israeli soldier blowing up a mosque and reads "Only God forgives".

    Above a ninja figure, yet another shirt bears the slogan "Won't chill until I confirm a kill".
    Perhaps the most shocking design shows a Palestinian mother weeping next to her dead baby's grave, also in the crosshairs of a rifle.

    It suggests it would have been better if the child had never been born, with the slogan "Better use Durex".


  • #2699
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Even Hamas admit they love death just as much as Israel love life.

    Hamas: "We seek death as you [Israelis] desire life."

    Out of the 1000 or so killed how many were Hamas?


  • #2700
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Nodin wrote: »
    This explains it
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91377307&postcount=1295

    Why do you presume that Hamas "started it"?


    The current conflict, the one that arose in the previous few weeks is the result of rockets being fired from Gaza and Hamas terrorists entering Israel via tunnels.
    Maybe it is ok to kill Israelis and you only care for Gazans. Hamas cares for none and is following its charter where to die fighting Israel is something to seek in life.

    Hamas are the people who Gazans elected and who have brought the destruction to Gaza.

    I use to be anti-Israel before the wall was built, and I was against the wall, but the wall has come to symbolise for me how wrong I was.
    The wall stopped the suicide bombers, the people with the I 'must martyr myself' are Islamic extremists/terrorists.
    Hamas can't send suicide bombers into Israel unless they can sneak in via the tunnels, so they send rockets into kill civilians.

    I do not see all these anti-Israeli people here condemning the terrorists who the people of Gaza voted for unlike the in the West Bank.
    We must remember how Hamas wouldn't agree to power share with Fatah and a civil war broke out.
    Hamas were left to rule Gaza, and all they do is implement policies of death, both to Israel and the people of Gaza.


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  • #2701
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,185 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    wprathead wrote: »
    Empathising with the Palestinians =/= Supporting Hamas

    Empathy is a foreign concept to Robert, something that some EVIL GAY SECULARIST ABORTIONIST would have or something.


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