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  • #1082
    toadettee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭toadettee


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It all depends on your circumstances. It's possible that with a qualified adult and a child that you go over the PRSI threshold. If you think not, discuss it with your Supervisor. They'd be well used to dealing with wage queries and would be best placed to guide you.

    I have discussed it at length and I don't think there is a way out. I am locked in a 1 year contract with tus. I can get out of it if I find full time work obviously but we wouldn't be here if that was an option. It's very frustrating.


  • #1083
    MouseTail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    terryduff12 wrote: »

    I have been asked to ring people who owe money and get them to pay. Not sure it should be down to me to be hassling people for money as im only on a scheme. Any thoughts?

    why don't you suggest a text to all players who haven't paid their subs as a reminder that subs have to be paid by x date. After that date, a phone call would be appropriate. Im afraid credit control is a key part of many admin and accounts roles.


  • #1084
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    terryduff12 wrote: »
    I have been asked to ring people who owe money and get them to pay. Not sure it should be down to me to be hassling people for money as im only on a scheme. Any thoughts?



    I used to have to do that when I was in the Tus scheme, its an administration task. If you are not comfortable doing it ( and who is!) you should mention this to your supervisor, the organisation shouldn't make you do something you are not happy with, don't be afraid to speak up and say this, it would be different if they were paying you but they're not. That's why you have a supervisor, to ensure that everything is above board and more importantly, that you are happy with your placement.


  • #1085
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    toadettee wrote: »
    It's very complicated but my circumstances didn't change while on tus they have decided now if I came off it to pay me less social welfare so I cannot say it isn't financially viable to be on it. They won't revert me back to my original payment I was getting in January they are cutting it by 50% I have lodged an appeal so let's see what happens. All I want to do is change from tus to job bridge.
    Are they saying you'd get less when you finish your year on TUS, or you'd get less if you left before the year was out and changed to JobBridge? I find it strange that you'd be stopped from changing "schemes" for one with job prospects.


  • #1086
    terryduff12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    I'll probably get on to supervisor see what she says, was told at start only be doing out letters and Facebook updates and stuff any club business to pass on to her quickly I learned its pass it on to next person.
    Learned today she's going on holiday, nice to have been told only heard it in passing from someone


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  • #1087
    toadettee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭toadettee


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Are they saying you'd get less when you finish your year on TUS, or you'd get less if you left before the year was out and changed to JobBridge? I find it strange that you'd be stopped from changing "schemes" for one with job prospects.

    I will get less if I was to finish early and change over to job bridge so they won't allow it, even if it was going by my payment pre tus I would be getting a small bit more but as I'm working 39 hours now instead of 19.5 that is justified. But they are saying it's an administrative decision to cut my payment and therefore I can't change. I took the tus placement in good faith that the job would be suited to me, it hasn't been to a certain extent and this job bridge job is more in my line of work and I can't apply for it as the department arnt allowing it, however strange you feel it is, you can imagine how strange i find it, I am in shock over the whole thing. I honestly had no idea it would be a problem.


  • #1088
    Treehorn2077
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Treehorn2077


    Actually Myshirt, I'm more of a Guardian reader, which is where I read the article about the people in the UK winning their case. The Daily Mail doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. I've enslosed the title of the article (my new user status doesn't let me post link yet, unfortunately), so you can have a read of it yourself. I'd be more than happy to send you the link in a private message if you're so inclined. The same goes for anyone else who may want to read check it out, its quite an informing article.

    "Court rules back-to-work legislation incompatible with European law"

    Getting back to topic, I wonder does anyone know if you can switch over to a FAS course while on TUS? I was hoping to maybe start a programming language course if one became available.


  • #1089
    toadettee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭toadettee


    Treehorn2077 wrote: »

    Getting back to topic, I wonder does anyone know if you can switch over to a FAS course while on TUS? I was hoping to maybe start a programming language course if one became available.

    I would also like to know this. The information I've found out the last 2 days has got me wondering about a lot of things like that.


  • #1090
    Treehorn2077
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Treehorn2077


    I would certainly hope it is the case Toadette, I'd much rather be upskilling and updating my cv than on some pointless scheme, where I get nothing out of it. This is something I'll be asking when I get called for an interview.


  • #1091
    MouseTail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Treehorn2077 wrote: »
    Getting back to topic, I wonder does anyone know if you can switch over to a FAS course while on TUS? I was hoping to maybe start a programming language course if one became available.

    No, I don't think you can, and tbh TUS is not suitable really for software development. This is your window, use it wisely to activate yourself. Research SOLAS software traineeships, springboard courses, ICT conversion courses and Jobbridge. Devise your own plan and future. You will not be put on a TUS scheme if you have solid alternative plans in place.


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  • #1092
    Treehorn2077
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Treehorn2077


    From what I've seen TUS doesn't sound suitable for much of what I seek to do in future, of course I may be wrong, I'll have to wait and see.
    I would have thought however goven the Governments drive to upskill people into the IT sector this would be encouraged, but alas we all know the saying about common sense.

    I'll be raising the issue with TUS when I see them, as for the social welfare I'm blue in the face explaining it to them. They are so out of touch with the needs of unemployed people it's staggering.

    I've looked on the FAS/Solas website, and aside from it being a huge cluster**** of a website (which is a shambles for a Government run website) and haven't seen much of interest regarding IT. Which given what I mentioned above about the Government's drive to get people into IT is just idiotic. If you want people to upskill in IT, then run IT courses.

    I would be very reluctant to go about entering an internship with a view to upskilling, as someone who would be going into a firm without the knowledge I hope to gain, I would inevitably end up in a "making the tea suitation" and learn nothing.


  • #1093
    jos22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭jos22


    Treehorn2077 wrote: »
    From what I've seen TUS doesn't sound suitable for much of what I seek to do in future, of course I may be wrong, I'll have to wait and see.
    I would have thought however goven the Governments drive to upskill people into the IT sector this would be encouraged, but alas we all know the saying about common sense.

    I'll be raising the issue with TUS when I see them, as for the social welfare I'm blue in the face explaining it to them. They are so out of touch with the needs of unemployed people it's staggering.

    I've looked on the FAS/Solas website, and aside from it being a huge cluster**** of a website (which is a shambles for a Government run website) and haven't seen much of interest regarding IT. Which given what I mentioned above about the Government's drive to get people into IT is just idiotic. If you want people to upskill in IT, then run IT courses.

    I would be very reluctant to go about entering an internship with a view to upskilling, as someone who would be going into a firm without the knowledge I hope to gain, I would inevitably end up in a "making the tea suitation" and learn nothing.

    what are you hoping to do in the future


  • #1094
    MouseTail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Have you looked at Springboard or Skillsnet? Dont wait for TUS, take control of your own career and upskilling plan. Lots of software development courses out there.


  • #1095
    Treehorn2077
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Treehorn2077


    Cheers mousetail, I had missed skillsnet


  • #1096
    MouseTail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Treehorn2077 wrote: »
    Cheers mousetail, I had missed skillsnet

    Good luck with it Treehorn. TUS can be a great scheme, but the community sector wouldnt have the capacity to provide a decent software development placement. If that is the career you want, you will need to do your research and present your Case Officer with a fait accompli. Have a look at courses, and maybe visit the geeky side of Boards for advice on which course is best.


  • #1097
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,302 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    MouseTail wrote: »
    Good luck with it Treehorn. TUS can be a great scheme, but the community sector wouldnt have the capacity to provide a decent software development placement. If that is the career you want, you will need to do your research and present your Case Officer with a fait accompli. Have a look at courses, and maybe visit the geeky side of Boards for advice on which course is best.
    Pretty good advice, that is.


  • #1098
    toadettee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭toadettee


    dodzy wrote: »
    Pretty good advice, that is.

    Yes very good advice. I went in with a computer science background and although there was web work at the start, it fizzled out and I find myself making tea and answering calls most of my day, the job on jobbridge is an office job but one in a company in my sector where I may learn something but I cannot move to it. The system is very frustrating. But don't get caught in a one year tus contract you can't get out of.


  • #1099
    Treehorn2077
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Treehorn2077


    Sounds all well and good, but I would still have to convince the welfare and that as they say is another battle. I personally found that all those who handled my case had no clue what they were at. All they see is a number on a screen and that they don't want that number there.
    Atempting to reason with them makes me want to punch myself in the face.


  • #1100
    toadettee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭toadettee


    I 100% feel left down by the system. I do not think I am entitled to anything but I am entitled to my own decisions. the only way to get out of a one year tus contract is to take up full time employment and get nothing from the social welfare. I cannot take this job on job bridge that is in my sector until jan 22nd 2015, of course it will be well gone by then. They do not tell you that at the start, they tell you it's a 12 month contract granted but they do not tell you there is no way out of it.


  • #1101
    mp22
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    Closed for clean up and remodeling.


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  • #1102
    mp22
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055070569

    Read and note the above carefully please.

    mp22


  • #1103
    Tiat Young
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭Tiat Young


    I am after getting a letter this morning to apply for a position on the Tus Programme. A bit confused seeing as I only finished my last Tus programme less then two years ago. I thought you cannot do Tus for a minimum of three years after doing one last? I keep trying to ring Social Welfare office but they are not answering.


  • #1104
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,302 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Tiat Young wrote: »
    I am after getting a letter this morning to apply for a position on the Tus Programme. A bit confused seeing as I only finished my last Tus programme less then two years ago. I thought you cannot do Tus for a minimum of three years after doing one last? I keep trying to ring Social Welfare office but they are not answering.
    Yep, it's 3 years. Unfortunately, the mechanism the Department uses for generating lists is sub-standard. Many organisations constantly receive duplicate applicants, ineligible applicants etc;

    Best advice would be to send the letter back, ticking the "Not willing to participate", with supporting comment that you completed a Tús programme (insert date)


  • #1105
    Tiat Young
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭Tiat Young


    dodzy wrote: »
    Yep, it's 3 years. Unfortunately, the mechanism the Department uses for generating lists is sub-standard. Many organisations constantly receive duplicate applicants, ineligible applicants etc;

    Best advice would be to send the letter back, ticking the "Not willing to participate", with supporting comment that you completed a Tús programme (insert date)

    They finally answered and the lady told me to do the same thing. Thank you for replying.


  • #1106
    quinnd6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭quinnd6


    I've a degree in Computer Applications , a certification in mysql and an associate developer certification in Java.
    I still can't get any work because I don't have enough practical experience.
    So I'm doing an online Java Professional course and nearly finished it and now I'm being forced to put myself forward for An Tus.
    I don't want to do An Tus because it would be a waste of time for me and would be of zero relevance to what I want to do ie. working as a web developer or programmer and I've explained that to them before tons of times but Dept of Social Welfare say I have to put myself forward or they're cancelling my Job seekers allowance completely so I'd get nothing.
    I had a plan to be finished that Java course as soon as I can and then I'd hopefully be able to get a job a lot easier but now it looks like I won't get time to finish the java course and be stuck for a year doing this An Tus rubbish.
    I don't want to be stuck picking up papers and doing useless stuff that no-one else wants to do for 12 months, I think I'd be bored beyond belief. I just don't think I could stick at it at all. However I don't want to lose my jobseekers allowance either and I don't want to waste a whole year on this thing. I don't know what to do. It's a nightmare situation.
    Someone else said even if you find a fulltime course that you'd like to do or some kind of internship that if you're on an tus that you're stuck in it.
    Is that true?


  • #1107
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,302 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    quinnd6 wrote: »
    I've a degree in Computer Applications , a certification in mysql and an associate developer certification in Java.
    I still can't get any work because I don't have enough practical experience.
    So I'm doing an online Java Professional course and nearly finished it and now I'm being forced to put myself forward for An Tus.
    I don't want to do An Tus because it would be a waste of time for me and would be of zero relevance to what I want to do ie. working as a web developer or programmer and I've explained that to them before tons of times but Dept of Social Welfare say I have to put myself forward or they're cancelling my Job seekers allowance completely so I'd get nothing.
    I had a plan to be finished that Java course as soon as I can and then I'd hopefully be able to get a job a lot easier but now it looks like I won't get time to finish the java course and be stuck for a year doing this An Tus rubbish.
    I don't want to be stuck picking up papers and doing useless stuff that no-one else wants to do for 12 months, I think I'd be bored beyond belief. I just don't think I could stick at it at all. However I don't want to lose my jobseekers allowance either and I don't want to waste a whole year on this thing. I don't know what to do. It's a nightmare situation.
    Someone else said even if you find a fulltime course that you'd like to do or some kind of internship that if you're on an tus that you're stuck in it.
    Is that true?
    go to the interview. Tell them what you have done and where you want to go. You won't be put picking up street rubbish. And as has been said many times, get a job and then you just walk away.


  • #1108
    MouseTail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    quinnd6 wrote: »
    I've a degree in Computer Applications , a certification in mysql and an associate developer certification in Java.
    I still can't get any work because I don't have enough practical experience.

    You have very employable skills, if industry experience is what has stopped you getting a job, why haven't you done jobbridge?


  • #1109
    quinnd6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭quinnd6


    I went for an interview on a jobbridge internship once and didn't get it.
    It's frustrating can't get an internship either.


  • #1110
    jos22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭jos22


    quinnd6 wrote: »
    I went for an interview on a jobbridge internship once and didn't get it.
    It's frustrating can't get an internship either.

    they keep telling people IT the way to go, but vast majority of IT jobs are for SW devs with few years experience, with pretty much no one wanting to give you the chance to get that experience.

    you might get some basic web design work on TUS, with the rest of the time spent in a charity shop or doing basic office/admin work.


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  • #1111
    quinnd6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭quinnd6


    I live in a village in the country so I can't imagine myself even getting any web design experience on an Tus to be honest.
    I suppose I'll have to put myself forward for it anyway or they'll stop my jobseeker's allowance.
    The next year is looking like it's going to be a bad one for me.
    Jobbridge website isn't even working now.


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