TUS Programme

kissmequick

Treehorn2077 wrote: »

I got a letter today from the social welfare "asking" if I'd be interested in going on a TUS scheme, seeing as I'd never heard of it before I did some research, which lead me here. Been reading some of the comments and posts by people who have been on it and there are quite a lot of mixed results, that I can see.

A few things did strike me as I read through the comments some people posted. Firstly some people seem to think that losing their job and being on the dole is some kind of social stigma, and go on to say how wonderful it is to get their "dignity" back. Since when did losing a job rob you of your dignity? I for one have no problem with my dignity or self confidence or anything of that nature and I'm just as unemployed as these people. It really says a lot about their view of themselves in society if all they measure a person by is the job they hold.

The second thing I noticed, and I'm not alone in pointing this out, is the number of glowing reviews of TUS placements by some people on here. Now before I get accused of anything, I'd like to point out that I've no doubt that some people are genuine in their positive experiences of TUS and their posts here. However, I do feel like some of "glowing" reviews are just a tad too good to be true, and feel a little fake to me.
Almost as if someone under the employ of a certain Government Department or youth wing of a certain party were writing them under the guise of a partisipant.

I personally feel this is another cynical scam, just like job-bridge, albeit with 30 euros less than that each week. A source of unlimited free labour for companies, to exploit the unemployed into filling, under threat of getting their money cut off. It remains to be seen however how my own suitation will pan out. Obviously I have to accept this "offer" if I am to keep my JA payment, my concern is that I will be put into a suitation where I will get nothing out of this, in terms of training, experience, etc. And simply find myself right back where I started 12 months from now.

I do have a few questions for Galway based people who were on the TUS scheme:

1) What range of jobs were you offered?
2) Were they mostly city or rural based? I ask because I have to rely on public transport
3) Was your experience positive or negative?
4) Did you have any issues signing back onto JA afterwards?

Thanks in advance for your help

There's Galway Rural Development and Galway City Partnership hosting Tús. GRD for County Tús Participants and I think GCP is for City Participants. I don't think it would be fair-game of GCP to call on County folk. I would imagine if yer called for the Scheme, depending on the Address they have for you you'll be invited to either GRD or GCP.

king2

If you don't want to take a tus placement I would imagine that if you tell the DSP and the organisation where the placement is at how you feel about it, that you think it is an abuse and exploitation of unemployed people, while not refusing it which they can stop your payment for, they will hardly take you on. No one wants a worker who doesn't want to be there

king2

king2 wrote: »

If you don't want to take a tus placement I would imagine that if you tell the DSP and the organisation where the placement is at how you feel about it, that you think it is an abuse and exploitation of unemployed people, while not refusing it which they can stop your payment for, they will hardly take you on. No one wants a worker who doesn't want to be there

A supervisor I know had a man come in for an interview. He was in jeans and teeshirt. He showed little interest in questions or position. He sat with his ankle on his knee and proceeded to clean his nails with the cap of a pen. Out of devilment the supervisor gave him the job! Turned out a great worker, just didn't like being told to go for the interview!

CarrieLee

dodzy wrote: »

I'd have an appointment set up for you with the local office on the Monday immediately following your Friday finish date on Tus. I would have issued you with the appropriate paperwork ans assisted you completing it ( just 2 forms ). You would go directly to a prearranged hatch on the day - no queuing with general population. For those who enjoyed the placement, but unfortunately found no work to avoid signing back on, it's the worse day they have had in long time so we try to make the transition back to DSP payment as painless as possible.

Hi - could you tell me what two forms I will need to fill out and what information I will need to provide/bring with me for this? My Tus supervisor gave me a letter to bring with me to say I had completed Tus but didn't know anything about what forms I would have to fill out etc. I would like to have everything I need with me as the SW office is quite far from my house and I am relying on public transport to get there so don't want to have to make two trips.

CarrieLee

CarrieLee wrote: »

Hi - could you tell me what two forms I will need to fill out and what information I will need to provide/bring with me for this? My Tus supervisor gave me a letter to bring with me to say I had completed Tus but didn't know anything about what forms I would have to fill out etc. I would like to have everything I need with me as the SW office is quite far from my house and I am relying on public transport to get there so don't want to have to make two trips.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/reference/checklists/checklist_when_applying_for_jobseeker_s_allowance_checklist.html

You also need to bring the following documents or information:

Your Personal Public Service Number
Details of your availability for work and any efforts you have made to get work. For example, letters you have written to employers and any responses you have received
Details of your income
Details of your spouse/partner's income (if any)
Details of your dependent children
Proof of your identity
Proof of address
Evidence of identity

CarrieLee

Thanks - I was pretty much told that all I needed to do was hand in the letter I was given and sign a form stating my circumstances hadn't changed, but it seems it's not as clear cut as that.

If anyone has info on those two forms that have to be completed - or if they can be found online - please let me know.

CarrieLee

CarrieLee wrote: »

Thanks - I was pretty much told that all I needed to do was hand in the letter I was given and sign a form stating my circumstances hadn't changed, but it seems it's not as clear cut as that.

If anyone has info on those two forms that have to be completed - or if they can be found online - please let me know.

You should find relevant forms on one of these sites
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Jobseekers_holder_4521.aspx
http://www.welfare.ie/en/pdf/up1.pdf

CarrieLee

I know where I can find the forms. I am looking to specific information pertaining to returning to JSA after completing the Tus scheme by someone who has been through the process - or who knows which 'two' forms I need to fill out.

CarrieLee

For anyone coming off Tus and re-opening your claim, here is what you need to know. It is not a simple matter (as my Tus supervisor told me!) of handing in a letter and signing a form stating that your means haven't changed. Oh, no!

You need to fill out two forms - A jobseeker's repeat claim Form UP6 and also a form called JCP B -- they are looking for a lot of information - including information about the state of your health.

So, I guess my Tus supervisor got it all wrong when they said it was clear cut and no forms would be involved. It seems that now they are looking for more information than they ever were before. I never remember being asked about my health on any form I ever got from SW.

VonVix

CarrieLee wrote: »

For anyone coming off Tus and re-opening your claim, here is what you need to know. It is not a simple matter (as my Tus supervisor told me!) of handing in a letter and signing a form stating that your means haven't changed. Oh, no!

You need to fill out two forms - A jobseeker's repeat claim Form UP6 and also a form called JCP B -- they are looking for a lot of information - including information about the state of your health.

So, I guess my Tus supervisor got it all wrong when they said it was clear cut and no forms would be involved. It seems that now they are looking for more information than they ever were before. I never remember being asked about my health on any form I ever got from SW.

When I signed on for the first time last year I'm pretty sure there was a mention of there being any health issues on my part.

dodzy

CarrieLee wrote: »

For anyone coming off Tus and re-opening your claim, here is what you need to know. It is not a simple matter (as my Tus supervisor told me!) of handing in a letter and signing a form stating that your means haven't changed. Oh, no!

You need to fill out two forms - A jobseeker's repeat claim Form UP6 and also a form called JCP B -- they are looking for a lot of information - including information about the state of your health.

So, I guess my Tus supervisor got it all wrong when they said it was clear cut and no forms would be involved. It seems that now they are looking for more information than they ever were before. I never remember being asked about my health on any form I ever got from SW.

jcpb and up6 are not that detailed so no need to exaggerate. Bank statements (6 mths) and a completion letter are also required.

cee_jay

CarrieLee wrote: »

You need to fill out two forms - A jobseeker's repeat claim Form UP6 and also a form called JCP B -- they are looking for a lot of information - including information about the state of your health.

....
I never remember being asked about my health on any form I ever got from SW.

On all Jobseeker's forms you are required to sign a declaration along the lines of " I continue to be available for full time work. I am capable of work and I am
genuinely looking for work."
One of the conditions of claiming Jobseekers is you are available and fit for full time work - to satisfy the conditions you need declare you meet the criteria.

The JCP B form is used to ensure the correct activation services are targeted to the right demographic - there may be claimants who while available and fit for work may not be in the best health. DSP can target relevant assistance to these claimants.

CarrieLee

dodzy wrote: »

jcpb and up6 are not that detailed so no need to exaggerate. Bank statements (6 mths) and a completion letter are also required.

It's no exaggeration considering I was told by my supervisor that all I needed to do was to sign a form to state my means hadn't changed -and I do believe the forms are pretty detailed, thanks. I also wasn't told that I needed to bring bank statements - but maybe they'll tell me that on Monday when it's too late to do anything about it. Seems to be the way things are done.

At least now people in this thread will know what forms they'll need to fill out after completing Tús.

jos22

CarrieLee wrote: »

It's no exaggeration considering I was told by my supervisor that all I needed to do was to sign a form to state my means hadn't changed -and I do believe the forms are pretty detailed, thanks. I also wasn't told that I needed to bring bank statements - but maybe they'll tell me that on Monday when it's too late to do anything about it. Seems to be the way things are done.

At least now people in this thread will know what forms they'll need to fill out after completing Tús.

the bank statements part, I believe dosen't apply to ever case,
for example when I finished Job bridge they didnt ask for them, they ask what money I had in the bank and sign that my means had not changed.

anytime any one I knew who was called in for a review due to taking up part time work / temp jobs they ask for a 3 month statements to see payments into the account.

cee_jay

cee_jay wrote: »

On all Jobseeker's forms you are required to sign a declaration along the lines of " I continue to be available for full time work. I am capable of work and I am
genuinely looking for work."
One of the conditions of claiming Jobseekers is you are available and fit for full time work - to satisfy the conditions you need declare you meet the criteria.

The JCP B form is used to ensure the correct activation services are targeted to the right demographic - there may be claimants who while available and fit for work may not be in the best health. DSP can target relevant assistance to these claimants.

You should have asked what you needed bring when you rang up for your appointment. Might be an idea to ring them anyway before you go, if your appointments not too early!

dodzy

Deleted User wrote: »

You should have asked what you needed bring when you rang up for your appointment. Might be an idea to ring them anyway before you go, if your appointments not too early!

Unfortunately, different partnerships seem to have different ways of transitioning a participant back to DSP. We make the appointment, provide the paperwork, and assist with completing same where needed. Basically, all the person has to do is turn up. We endeavour to make it as easy as possible as reverting back to where they started is a bitter pill for most to swallow, and understandably so.

jingle123

Hi anyone no if there is any funding available for driving lessons while you are on tus , like there was with CE before?

jos22

jingle123 wrote: »

Hi anyone no if there is any funding available for driving lessons while you are on tus , like there was with CE before?

nope not on Tus. boards that run TUS can provide safe pass courses etc to people alright tho

RNMK

has anyone gotten placements in the "Social care of all age groups and people with disabilities" section of the Tus programme,

I'm trying to find out if I can work in a creche through Tus,

thanks.

Richhey

RNMK wrote: »

has anyone gotten placements in the "Social care of all age groups and people with disabilities" section of the Tus programme,

I'm trying to find out if I can work in a creche through Tus,

thanks.

Hi, I work in a crèche through Tùs since last November. Very Happy. Good Luck!

RNMK

RNMK wrote: »

has anyone gotten placements in the "Social care of all age groups and people with disabilities" section of the Tus programme,

I'm trying to find out if I can work in a creche through Tus,

thanks.

Richhey wrote: »

Hi, I work in a crèche through Tùs since last November. Very Happy. Good Luck!

thank you.

dodzy

RNMK wrote: »

has anyone gotten placements in the "Social care of all age groups and people with disabilities" section of the Tus programme,

I'm trying to find out if I can work in a creche through Tus,

thanks.

Yes, it's a very common area for placements.

lorweld

I wonder will those of us on tus get tge Christmas bonus this year, announced yesterday in the budget.

lorweld

^^^^

I'm answering my own question. Yes we will. 

A 25% Christmas Bonus will be paid this December to recipients of a long-term Social Welfare payment (minimum payment of €20) – over 1.16 million people to benefit.
People in receipt of the following payments will receive the Bonus: State pensions, Blind Pension, Invalidity pension, Widow’s/widower’s pension, Guardian’s payment, One Parent Family payment, Deserted Wife’s Benefit, Deserted Wife’s Allowance, Carer’s Allowance, Pre-Retirement Allowance, Disability Allowance, Farm Assist, Long- term Jobseeker’s Allowance, Back to Work Allowance, Community Employment, Job Initiative, Rural Social Scheme, Tús, Gateway, Domiciliary Care allowance and certain occupational injuries benefits.

Phat Cat

My wife received a letter from Tús on Monday with forms to be submitted by the end of the month or her JSA will be cut off.

She already did 24 months on a CE scheme a number of years ago and is currently doing an eCollege course after finishing a full time Fás course last year.

I was just wondering if that was enough of a criteria to abstain from this current 12 month scheme?

MouseTail

I wouldn't think so, ecollege courses are not full time.

Phat Cat

Phat Cat wrote: »

My wife received a letter from Tús on Monday with forms to be submitted by the end of the month or her JSA will be cut off.

She already did 24 months on a CE scheme a number of years ago and is currently doing an eCollege course after finishing a full time Fás course last year.

I was just wondering if that was enough of a criteria to abstain from this current 12 month scheme?

Get her to submit all details of the course. It might be ok.

kissmequick

I can't see how doing eCollege would be considered reason enough to abstain from it, would need something more I would imagine, as it would be possible to do the eCollege Course alongside it.

Phat Cat

Well aside from her eCollege course, which she has to log onto for a few hours every day, the main point is that she already has two years on a CE Scheme under her belt. What is the point in her signing up for another 12 month community placement? That would be 3 years on Tús/CE Schemes. Quite frankly that's ridiculous IMO plus it's not like Jobsbridge where there is a slim chance of gaining employment at the end of the placement, as most are charities/community groups. Wouldn't they be better off giving the place to somebody with no placement history?

Deleted User wrote: »

Get her to submit all details of the course. It might be ok.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The form only gives two options 1) Accept interview for a position 2) Refuse position but explain in detail why you are refusing it.

The issue with option 2 is that if your reason isn't deemed good enough then her JSA will be cut off.

MouseTail

Participation in CE does not exempt her from TUS. It may be worthwhile including details of the ecollege course under Option 2, especially if a few hours a day online participation is required. Could she get a letter from her eTutor to validate that in support of her application?