Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Its tough to call the Minor Cork Championship Seventh  but its going to be fasinating and i think its a superb Competition,standard is rising every year.

The Rockies and the Glen were on opposite sides and were fancied to set up a repeat of last years final but its a suprise both are out.I would have said those too again but it hasnt turned out that way.

But Na Piarsaigh are bound to have a say on their side and with Dayne Lee,superb against Limerick he caused Ronan lynch problem a at times(Ronan wasnt 100 per cent as he had been troubled by a hand injury in the lead up to it,Eddie Gunning(im not sure but i think he playing junior also)and with Guest there bound to be dangerous and Killan Aherene may be also.Im not sure.

The mouth watering Round 3 game between Douglas and Glen was a huge shock in the huge win for Douglas.The Glen  were favourites but  Douglas with Mark Dolan for example have forwards.
The Glen have been unlucky with Injuries and Shane Milner was Out and the superb Glen Kennifick i think was injured again.I didnt see the game so i dont know the team.The Glen have fine talent coming up though for senior.

Kennfick for example got a goal in their senior championship win earlier.
He is lightening fast and was part of a 100m relay school team that beat a much fancies Dublin team in Tullamore in schools athletics this year.Barring injury would have likely been in Contention for The Cork minors.A good footballer too.
If he was out he was a huge loss to the Glen.

On the other side
Blackrock beats sars another suprise,I think Paul Lepold is back for Sars.So it is St Finbarrs v Sars in one semi and you would expect Douglas to beat Killeagh st itas and Na piarsaigh to beat Valley to set up Douglas and Na Piaraigh in the other Semi , which could be very close,i would say Douglas to win.But its a guess to be honest.

Sarsfields and St Finbarrs another close one id fancy Sars.There a fine team by all accounts.
I would not call any games with a huge degree of confidence .

It is a great minor championship.and some of the talent have played Senior for club,thats how Good they are .

About two weeks ago in Premier 2  Minor i saw Newtown beat Passage handily.A lot of good perferomers in the game
The best player imo was u16 Cork player the powerful Ronan Harrington ,five from play and he being so good at minor so young is a real talent from Passage worth watching. He is Powerful,savage engine,superb hurling he is a joy to watch hurling.He was brillant on a beaten team.Great Sign of a player.
Could be on the minors next year.He is young but Paddy Loughlin and Peter casey are flying with linerick.If it is the right enviroment it can work. Butty Mccarthy and Him in a midfield for Cork next year would be awesome.

In thurles a cracking Munster final between two great sides Waterford and Limerick ,ebbed and flowed  by reports  from what i Heard.Not much between them yet Cork minus two key lads away from home pushed and remained compeitve all the way against that Limerick team i truly belive will win all ireland minor but at the very least get to the All Ireland Final.Im a huge fan of them,i hope they win it.They leave no stone unturned.Such young men a credit to Limerick.

Kilkenny the only team that may beat them.They could blow Galway away.If Dublin ,unlikey beat waterford they wont come close to them either.

The one real limerick team that 100 per cent imo fully deserve the hype and expectation have a real live chance of an all ireland ,the only team in the next few years to have in Limerick imo.

Cork were simply beaten by a better team a few weeks ago and went down with pride,honour and diginity and skill and everyone involved deserves huge credit.And Limerick winning underlines that.Bar Galway and Hawk eye there now around 7 matches unbeaten.

It shows how Good our minor team was this year and also  shows what a superb coach Jerry wallis is a real driving force with that team.with Cregan and Mckenna etc.They won 2 Munsters in a row.Jerry wallis is a huge loss to Cork Hurling.Waterford were 3 up at 3 h time yet  Limerick made key changes by all accounts to win it.He is likely to stay with limerick for 2 more years ,but Cork should do whatever it takes to get him involved in Cork as hes a huge loss to Cork Hurling.Imo offer him a whatevers he wants.That Limerick win imo was a huge signifance to Cork and will give Cork real hope.

Seriously Sligo will do us a favour if they beat us. If we beat Sligo and Mayo, Kerry will whip us apart like they do time and time again and we dont want that in Cork again. We will never beat Kerry in Croke Park and we must accept it. We have fools of management and players with no heart and attitude all wrong. We couldnt get it right even in the good days. Cork football makes me sick.

Amprodude wrote: »

Seriously Sligo will do us a favour if they beat us. If we beat Sligo and Mayo, Kerry will whip us apart like they do time and time again and we dont want that in Cork again. We will never beat Kerry in Croke Park and we must accept it. We have some fools of "supporters" and "fans" with no heart and attitude all wrong. We couldnt get it right even in the good days. Cork football makes me sick.

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Animal Bar wrote: »

Utterly Cat against Kerry??? Sorry what game were you and the management watching? Cork got cleaned out in the half back line and in midfield. No one in the half back line kicked the ball against kerry how are the half forward line ment to have any impact on the game. Then you have 2 in midfield who ran the ball into trouble. The answer to this is take off 2 half forwards off at half time. Head scratching.

Then you think after 3 weeks to review the game and 2 of the 3 half back line start again. 7 Months into the year to make 6 changes screams panic

The game where he got whipped at half time because he was so poor, and yourself? Yes the backs were having a hard time but that doesn't make it acceptable to score 5 points from open play (2 from midfield).
Saturdays team has 4 out and out scorers and 2 talented ball-winners in Collins and O'Driscoll. Personally, I'll be shocked if it's anything less than a 7 or 8 point win and I'd fancy this exact team, maybe with Jamie O' Sullivan in for Loughrey, to beat Mayo as well.

Also, thinkstoomuch1, also heard Alan O Connor was contacted. Michael O Laoire was top class for Naomh Aban at the weekend but a weeks notice would really spell out panic stations!

Amprodude wrote: »

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This is not Fantasy football its a real game.
What i mean is you need a system that works and a belief and total trust in management also.Cuthbherts mindset of Picking old great servants and then Rookies without the Right enviroment imo i get the sense he gets outs hes powerpoint presenation,picks a 15 and says that looks fine with out understanding the basics.


Mark Collins was superb against Tipp unfairly dropped for the Kerry game.Yet nows he back.We cant guarantee hes confidence is high.


What is the basis we will beat Mayo.Talent isnt a problem its managemement.We have a naive inexpierenced managenment worlds apart from Mayo.We have no belief in them that they can pick the best 24 for match day,then devise a plausible game plan and then read a game in flow and react when necessary but also in the right way.


Look at Mayo.
Donie Buckley ,one of the best coaches around.A proven all ireland winner.
James Horan a top manager thats got Mayo to two finals and gets every ounce out of them despite they lacking quality forwards.
Ed Coughlan ,hughely respected and Worked with professional soccer players.

Cuthbhert a poor Club record and Davis,Ciaran sullivan and Sexton no management expierence at all.

This is not old Mayo teams that were beaten at the ist sight of a red jersey.This is a tough Mayo team that will relish Cork.
Kerry could push them as kerry have forwards and have a system.

Laoire wouldnt spell panic in that he was on the current panel .If Cuthbhert recalled him what it would tell is Cuthbhert made a joke of him earlier.He needs to drop hes Ego though,and do what Cork needs now.


Cork football is not what is right for Brian Cuthbhert it is what is right for Cork football going forward.
Panic is when you throw at Rookie in at the Coal face of Modern day Football not when you make logical decisions based on Reality.I have never seen such doom and gloom regards Cork Football in such a long time so early in to a new managers reign.Cuthbhert says he Believes in Himself.Thats Great, but more importantly does anyone else bar the Board.

We're in big trouble, big big trouble. The attempts by management to deflect attention away from their naivete in the Kerry game by blaming the players fully has caused real annoyance to say the least. This selection which includes corks weakest players - ohallorhan and loughrey is mind boggling. How is loughrey a player who cannot defend selected at corner back where he will have to defend?
Maguire and brian o driscoll are super young players with huge prospects, but to be dropped into this set up will do them no good.
Don't know how Sligo are at the moment but if they have any wit and bite they will get a result here and cork football will be left on its arse with a fella in charge who is out of his depth. Has anyone ever seen a top team in the middle of championship with this much disarray?

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Sean Mac id agree with most of that.A lot of truths there.
At the training camp i saw there was no video anayalst with Cork.Whether they use one or not it remains to be seen but you would like to think a Key camp on the eve of championship just after the Dublin beating we could have had one.

Cork u21 had one under Cleary and it was a huge success.Sean what are views re Michael laoire?how would you rate him.

TTM, I rated him worth getting a game at least!!! I remember the derry game in the league when were getting cleaned out in midfield in the 2nd half and olaoire wasn't brought on except as a blood sub and I realised then he wasn't being rated. He was never in their plans but he is certainly worth a bet in the same way gould and walsh are persevered with.
Maguire is a fine talent but he wont develop under this set up, dineen should have stated this game to horse into Sligo and make them realise there is a battle.
Cuthbert et al have proven at this stage they are out of their depth, we are 3 games into the championship and into our 3rd midfield combination and 3rd half back line, Christ you couldn't make it up.
I said fromt he start cleary should have got this, he istn the greatest tactician but what he is, is SMART. Uses a goalkeeping coach (look at martins kickouts this year for u21s), good fitness man, good use of stats/video and by god he can motivate a team - hugely important will cover a lot of deficiencies elsewhere when fellas are willing to die on the field, can we say any of that with the current set up? NO.
Nice men, great servants in their time, but totally out of their depth at this level.
If Sligo have an inside line running riot again on Saturday will we wait until half time to make a decision again?????? no faith in the set up, some players are selected because they are strong on bleep tests and we have a keeper from the same club as the manager who is the pooret kicker in intercounty football for a keeper.

sean mac wrote: »

TTM, I rated him worth getting a game at least!!! I remember the derry game in the league when were getting cleaned out in midfield in the 2nd half and olaoire wasn't brought on except as a blood sub and I realised then he wasn't being rated. He was never in their plans but he is certainly worth a bet in the same way gould and walsh are persevered with.
Maguire is a fine talent but he wont develop under this set up, dineen should have stated this game to horse into Sligo and make them realise there is a battle.
Cuthbert et al have proven at this stage they are out of their depth, we are 3 games into the championship and into our 3rd midfield combination and 3rd half back line, Christ you couldn't make it up.
I said fromt he start cleary should have got this, he istn the greatest tactician but what he is, is SMART. Uses a goalkeeping coach (look at martins kickouts this year for u21s), good fitness man, good use of stats/video and by god he can motivate a team - hugely important will cover a lot of deficiencies elsewhere when fellas are willing to die on the field, can we say any of that with the current set up? NO.
Nice men, great servants in their time, but totally out of their depth at this level.
If Sligo have an inside line running riot again on Saturday will we wait until half time to make a decision again?????? no faith in the set up, some players are selected because they are strong on bleep tests and we have a keeper from the same club as the manager who is the pooret kicker in intercounty football for a keeper.

I spoke to O Laoire's father at one of the league games and he was promised that he'd get a game before the end of the league. He didn't. If you bring a lad into a squad and promise him at least a game, then you should deliver. How could he impress when he never got a a chance ?

I was of the view that we had a slim chance of salvaging this terrible situation after the Kerry game provided management called an immediate clear the air meeting and allowed everyone to voice an opinion as to what was wrong. It needed Cubby and Ronan Mac to show that they were big men and admit that they got a lot of things wrong but that they were prepared to learn (TTM1 - offered a similar opinon)

I was very disappointed to learn that the Kerry game was barely mentioned.

Cubby and Ronan Mac are coming across as Teachers dealing with group of students - my way or the highway and not entertaining the possibility of their mistakes.

Could anyone imagine Billy Morgan or Conor Counihan telling John Fogarty that very few of the starting 15 played to a decent level - Billy might have some tough words in the dressing room but it would stay there.

If Cubby and his management team set out to demoralise the squad, I don't think they could have done a better job.

Imagine how Dan Goulding feels - he top scored with 0-6 (plus 1 pt waved wide) and got some pressure long range kicks yet Ken O Halloran who had a nightmare for the 2nd day in a row, is retained.

This a hard thing to be personally abused by ignorant people but then have your management tell the media that you didn't play to a decent level and then get dropped thereby singleing you out as one of the reasons for our worst hammering by Kerry since 1962 - all that to a player who stepped up to the plate when needed in 2010 and was a major factor in a rare Sam win - now he's been told he's no good by fellas that never won anything at the highest level.

rughug wrote: »

Smith 614 my friend , you are talking through your drain pipe. Newcestown and Clonakilty are already competing in Prem 2. Bandon have a shockingly poor minor team this year. Now tell me where are the other good hurling clubs in West Cork.. You dont know what you are talking
about. Just sour grapes id say that your boys from Cloyne are gone.

Bandon, argideen, kilbrittan will I keep going. All it takes is a few players from each club. Bandon might have poor minor team but still have a few good players. It's a real joke to have a division in prem2. Not much to be proud of for Carbery even if they win the competition. At least Duhallow are competing in Prem 1 in all comps.

I would agree Sean with that.Whether Laoire has it for this level remains to be seen but he never like Deane when Fit and Now Dinnen never got a fair chance where Cuthbhert has a blinded,total unwarranted loyalty to certain lads that is truly appaling and the midfield shambles is refelection of Managements mistakes in every game since even Mcgrath Cup where Clear and Ever Present Warning Signs were Constantly ignored time and time again.Like you said you could not make it up.

A junior football coach  even realises Midfield is key as you gave your forwards posseion and deprive opponents dominace in possesion and hence your defence is not under wave after wave of on incessant pressure.Paul Mccarthy built Corks Junior All ireland on a midfield dominace of Laoire and Deane.Imo Laoire is like a  a good bloodhound that has a scent for he's prey ,in that in Hail,Rain or Snow Laoire has a natural scent and awareness for the breaking ball and has a superb engine like Daniel Kearney in Hurling,they cover a lot of Ground.And by god is he tough from the inside out.

Like any player from that Great aera of Naomh Aban he has heart,grit,bravery and Inner Resolve.There a fine breed of warrior down that part of the woods player wise,they were never born with a Silver spoon in their mouth and anything they get they well and truly earned to be fair to them.
Look at Anthony Lynch,Michael Cronin.Lynch was tough as nails .

Down in Kilmartya, ,Aghinagh where you have the Noel O Learys;Breige Corkerys etc those players have similar attruibutes tough as nails .
There not just nice Footballers theres a gutsy hardness  that is so admirable in their DNA its hard to quantify in Words the value of it.

Tompkins like Cuthbhert didnt rate Cronin like laoire as he was unfairly dropped of the panel after the 99 All ireland final and madr scapegoat for 4 years and imo it ruined him.I hope Laoire doesnt suffer the same fate.

And Crucially when Laoire gets Primary possesion he protects it and Rarely wastes such a Golden Treasue and Commodity  in the Modern game, Possession.Possesion  is well and Truly the name of the Game now.

Gary its just a mystery ,its a bit like "Growing up who Shot JR in Dallas" in we may have to wait for ever to find out what reason Cuthbhert does not rate Laoire that he went against hes own Bible of Thought that every lad would get a chance when he didnt and he had ample opporunity to do so.
They are valid points Archer regards Maguire but the problem is not him starting its "Sheer Timing of it and there has been no club games since the Kerry Game for Maguire so how has he gone from 5th to 1st choice is alarming.Its pure panic and desparation mode.What can we do next.I said it in May the place to debuitse Maguire was in The Pairc against Tipp.

Management said after games we had a plan and  it was like players did not stick to it.It must have been well and truly some mastermind of a plan if they think they can win a modern day game of football against a top 8 team in championship without a stabile and effective and coherent midfield partnership where the dynamic of the pairing has a balance to it that all hes teams have not had or lets be brutally honest have not even come close to it.


Cuthbhert gave an interview last night on "The game on 2fm"and it was a mixed bag imo.He certainly had mellowed in hes views on the game which was good to see as its now a collective responsibity between management and players for the loss.However to me its not,in that 6 lads are dropped yet the management should never picked a few of them in the ist place.

Management should accept a lot of the responsibity for the fiasco.The lack of heart,desire and hunger comes from them .Cork in year one in JBM through no fault of hes own had a totally ineffective half forward line in against waterford and Galway in two games in a row and every one of the unit i think was subbed.Yet without dominace they never wilted or gave up as the the work ethic of the ball was there as there was a bellief in JBM.I see no evidence it exists in this set up when things go bad they go horrobily wrong.This is not just one game it is the last 3.

Also i get the feeling there is going to be starting places for those dropped regards Mayo as my take is He has lost to ability to truly motivate them,thinks dropping some for one game will shake it up when hes wrong.He speaks of "Players must let their Egos go if their dropped and move on.You couldnt script in imo.

The Biggest Ego of them all imo is he's purely and soley as a manager.He cant realise that most mistakes are directly at hes door
The part of the interview that convinced me he is just talking the talk was When he Said the Key is everbody makes mistakes once you dont repeat them.

Its a true statement and i have no poblem with him learning and making mistakes but whats he says is hugely ironic imo.

Why in the name of God do you Again again pick a Half back in the Corner and Blatantly ignore better midfield options at this time and have done so not once,not twice but practically every single game if you learn from mistakes.


The Huge huge worry is hes Terming Sligo is our "All Ireland Final" yet he throws in 3 rookies.
This is not 1966 in hurling when the 6 debutants had real momentum.

This imo is schoolboy management at best.He says one thing then but like a potiican it is not a staight answer.
"We were probaly fooled a bit by the league etc but then in another way we wernt as we expected blankets defences.It is either "Black or white if you ask me.

Great managers,the truly Great Managers always expect the unexpected.The sheer innonence and Naviety of this set up at Senior Intercounty Elite level is a huge worry.He had a Glourious chance to do what i always said he failed to do make a "Statement of Intent when asked regards Dualism.He should have said it there and then.it won't happen next and if lads want to play hurling im sad to let them go but it is what it is.

The usual answer we will review ,well discuss it etc,along previous similar lines.Aidan Walsh said last week he is doing it for 3 more years.
Others and Jbm will want it.
Does anyone really belief on what we have seen that cuthbhert will stand up to the issue now no he wont.He Could have set the tempo.last night.When he says "he will review it imo it means same old story.No conviction in hes answer imo.


I wanted Cleary for the job since day one also.I'm not a Castlehaven man,I just want the best man to lead Cork football.He is managing a Ladies underage team at Cork level while we have a man in charge of the seniors with the greatest respect to him but purely as a manager imo is comptely out of he's depth at this level.

Cleary if he was appointed Cork Senior Football Manager would have had Ned English with him and you would have had a lovely balance in that set up.Cleary knows from first hand expierence how diffcult it is to break down any Team Coached By English.

Who knows who else would have been involved, however I wouldnt be suprised if the superb ,innovative James Mccarthy had a role in that set up.

Clearys team are  as you said always well organised ,have huge believe and as History showed have no fear or baggage of the Green and Gold and many times went to Kerry and won there.They won Close games and hammered Kerry also.

The Kerry u21s teams often dominated by Cork teams the last ten years have produced many senior players like us.The problem is our lads development at a crucial absoultey crucial stage of their careers remain static and is suffocated by Poor Senior Managers while Kerry progress on an constant upward curve due to shrewd,innovative,Expierenced Management that understand the game inside out and upside down like the superb Jack O Connor and the Superb and tactically asute Eammon Fitzmaurice.

Our Golden talented is wasted time and time again,it is really so so "Sad" yet Kerrys currently limited rescources is nourised and blossomed.

BPKS wrote: »

Ye obviously have erased Kerry 3-19 Cork 2-7 (2002 Semi Final) and Kerry 1-19 Cork 0-9 (2005 Semi Final) from ye're memory?


I can see why the management are getting flak, but I couldn't fault what McCarthy said in the press the other day too much - the message I got was that no Cork player played to their potential and the management made some mistakes against Kerry. Get most of the starting 15 plus 2 or 3 subs playing to their potential and they would fancy their chances against any side was the message I got from it. Obviously getting them to do that is another issue.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cork, after beating Sligo, took Mayo out. And it would be 50/50 against Kerry in the semi final then. I sure as hell wouldn't like to meet Cork in a semi final anyway.

In Munster perhaps?

I'd be suprised if Cork beat Mayo - based on what we've seen so far this year, they're stronger in almost every department

I see Mick Slocum a fine half back,great player tough as nails,a real hero of mine criticies fans for Critising Cuthbhert.Its unbelievable the way no one is meant to fully question a managers skillset now.


If that happens and they want this siege mentaity no matter how bad things get"Do not dare Criticise then a lot of hardcore grass roots fans wouldnt be long getting disheartened and walking away from the team all together imo


There fast enough to say Cork Football needs more support.We want support but dont say a negative thing as you must go with the flow.



No player or manager deserves personal abuse like personal twitter messages or letters etc .But when fans and their is a core of dedicated geuine fans that travel the length and breadth of the Country in league and Champ and pay for petrol,food,tickets that make huge sacrifes in their every day life,that want the best for Cork football have every right but to critisce purely on the field of play.Take that away from fans and when there are many reasons to be dissilluonsed with Cork Football and the Relatively small support they get wont long be getting smaller.


The impression i get is like usual in Cork,they dont like what it is being said,when its just in most geuine fans realistic views,so a case of shut up shop.Many times have the board etc pleaded for support for the footballers.Now it seems some want to Control the fans in as bad as things get,just say nothing but still we want ye to travel night and day to support us,buy tickets for Club Draws and the Tickets for the New Pairc.



There is a certain type of fan, always has been prawn sandwich brigade like in any sport that just follow a team in glory and cant wait to criticse when the need arises and i dont like that.But the Real geuine fans that state their concerns before games and follow the team through thick and thin have every right just like Kilkenny,Kerry,etc would in where its applicable Cork critising Managers etc on the field of play and critisim in that regard is not personal against the manager with the majioity of fans its because they love Cork Football too much and expect,demand more of Cork and in Corks case feel there is better managers and selectors,proven.men then what we have now.



I dont think any geuine fan of any county likes to be negative regards he"s team.But saying all is fine,keeping quiet when things are bad and not saying what needs to be said means we accept mediocrity and second best.You wouldnt get that mentaitly in New Zealand ,Brazil ,Kerry or Kilkenny or Man united why should Cork be any different.Roy keane was seen the Enemy Within in Irish Soccer but a lot of what he said caused the Genisis report and Irish Soccer became better for it.He said what needed to be said for the Greater Good.


Eaten bread is often soon forgotten.The majiority of fans that fault cuthbhert and players are likey to have been out on the protest Matches on Pissing wet days supporting Cork GAA in its darkest days and on days where the Homecomings of All ireland finals we lost ,where its the atmosphere is like a funeral and in 2007 the turnout in particular was wrongfully very low,have been with and will even though confidence is at an all time low still support the footballers in tullamore than watch it on sky ,so for ex greats to say fans cant criticse is a bit much in fairness.
Take that away and Cork football small support is even smaller.

Just because some fans and incorrectly get personal it shouldnt detract from the Geuine fans.I have great time for Davy Fitz but i was not a fan the way he tried to Control the Media in just cause he did not agree with what was said he banned him.A reporter has a right to report and at least that lad showed he had bravery to write hard articles not like some that are lazy journalists with the greatest respect to them go with a Happy go Lucky attuide ,the Sun always shines even in turmoil as speaking the harsh truth makes them unpopular and the enemy when in fact most of the time their just being 100 per cent honest in their views.

You See the Likes of Man utd when the fans had lost Support in Moyles he was sacked.There is yes the other extreme that we do not want in like the premshership a lad sacked after a few games.
However Cuthbherts scenario is similar to Moyles.Cork are like Man Utd a big franchise and should be always at least competiting at the buisness end each year.Moyles never had the Profile for such a big job ,and Cuthbhert is the same.


Its not harsh and perfectly right for fans to criticse on the last 3 games ,our worst start to a championship in years,a tough pill to swallow when we have talented that dominated u21 ,and not one of the Management has a proven record in Top level management.
Look at the our results in the league.As many have acknowelged since they flattered to decieve.Is that harsh????


What is the other alternative fans say.It was
a Great league,ah it was one of those days against Dublin,we did not get the bounce of the ball,it happens,we learn from it ,all isnt lost.

What do we say after the Tipp game if fans dare not criticse.We were unlucky again,the Gods are against us,we learned so much from The Dublin game just not enough but we are getting there.


The Kerry game.We learned lot from our two games,not quite as much as we though but bounce of the ball didnt go our way.This is kerry we have no given right to be expecting us to compete,Management are doing a fine job,cant complain ,they just had a poor run but look drive ahead things can only get better.



If we wait another few games and its the same old story ,when is it okay to question things.Do we wait til after Mayo.If were beaten by Mayo thats year one gone.If we see no definite lines of Progress ,we waste another year which is the story of Cork Football.Id prefer like many to judge each game at face value,judge in transit rather than wait til the horse has bolted and then close the gate.
Why did not any former Great Players crticise Pundits that said the players were Pathetic and spineless.That to me was a bit much conisdering some had proved there worth on the ptich many a time unlike the management that are unproven in management.


Everthing else is being criticsed imo bar what should be.Typical Cork deflect the blame elsewhere.Why didnt Slocum criticse the Board or ask why hes fellow team mate with an outstanding Record in Football lost the Casting vote for the Job.Was there any outcry when Morgan was pushed in 2007.


There has been some fans that are walking away from Cork and saying they wont follow them with this regime.I dont agree with that at all at all and it saddens me and they should still go the matches as the players need support however ,and Cork a selection if fans even in Cork u21 hurling as an example the last 4 years with zero hope of winning still rightfully supported them.


Those fans have every right as they pay good money to criticse what they see once its purely on the field of play etc.
You go to a restaurant ,you pay for a meal.You do not like the meal or service your well enitled to say your grievance.If your denied that chance that Restauarant is hardly going to be popular.


Slocum said Cuthbhert lost a load of players this year.Lets keep it in perspective and not the spin being generated.

Yes he did and nobody expected Cork to win an all ireland but the least we expected was a performance against tipp and a win against kerry and to be competive in an all ireland Semi.

This is not like JBM in hurling when 2012 he cut a lot of old lads from.the panel had no underage success ,and a woeful record in Hurling the last 6 years yet in every game he was competive in the championship.
Cuthbhert had no excuse in he has battle hardended expierenced leaders in Cadogan;Shields,Walsh,Goulding,Doc,Kelly,Kerrigan,O Neill and loughery from hes time in the Toughest provinical championship around in Ulster,yet were not even competitve.

I was wondering the same re Muphy.
Id say just one match but if we did do the unlikely and beat Clare it wouldnt be bad as we have Antrim in a semi final.


Thats a strong Balanced team but id worry for healy lack of pace in this weather.
O tuama rightfully got dropped has been poor in hes games.

Its a hard working team with a great work ethic and In Murphy,Walsh,Micheal Sul,Cronin and O Brien ball winners and phyisclity.

I expect Murphy to have a stormer.
Id start Mannix myself,hard fast ground he would fly it and id drop Colm back.


Its hard to gauge as we dont know what Galway are like.
In Sugrue and anthony spillane who are being kept for the u21 and Crowley and Mannix Cork have a bench to make a difference.