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What was the worst event in modern Irish history?

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    #152
    jjbrien
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    The reemergence of Finna Fail since the last general election. Do people never learn


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    #153
    whitey1
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    Mayo competing in 7 All Ireland Finals and winning none in the past 25 years.

    All codding aside, I think the following tragedies helped shape modern Ireland

    Anne Lovett tragedy-I recently reread the reports.....truly heartbreaking and a seminal moment in the evolution of modern Ireland

    Omagh bombing.....the sheer depravity of it rattled the "dissident movement" to the point of insignificance in modern Ireland

    Events surrounding the Gibraltar tragedy, especially the murder of the 2 british soldiers by a mob.


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    #154
    CrabRevolution
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    That's mad, I just never get the mentality and then people go out and vote along those lines. It is completely insane to choose to vote for a candidate in 2014 based on events that happened in the 1920's.



    In fairness to Haughey he did stand up to the Church with the Succession Act, before that widowed women had no rights to property of their deceased husband, the Church got the house and land after the widow was allowed to live in it for the rest of her days. That was a big thing because it meant that the Church stopped accumulating land so easily and it gave women rights to land that they never had before. In fairness to Haughey I'd say he came under immense pressure from the Bishops not to do it but he went ahead anyway, it was one of the few ballsy moves against the Church that legislators have ever implemented.

    But all that was a good 15 years before became Taoiseach for the first of three stints. He was a completely different animal by that stage, I think it was historian Diarmuid Ferriter who said that the beginnings of his career were very dynamic but from the 1970s onwards it was all about one thing- himself and enriching himself as much as possible.

    Why would all property have gone to the church? If that was the case then the church would have owned the property of everyone who died from the 20s till the 60s, which it clearly didnt. As much as the early state loved the RCC, I doubt they set up a system where eventually all the land in the country would have ended up in the hands of the church, paying no rates/tax etc.

    I have heard stories however of wives/daughters/sons being shafted where the land was left to the church in the man's will and they were left with nothing. Another problem was widows/other children being left with nothing and the estate going entirely to the eldest son.


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    #155
    The Master
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    Harry cheating on Delores


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    #156
    diomed
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    Schillaci goal against Ireland in Italia 90. The end of a dream.


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    #157
    Ash.J.Williams
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    whitey1 wrote: »
    Mayo competing in 7 All Ireland Finals and winning none in the past 25 years.

    All codding aside, I think the following tragedies helped shape modern Ireland

    Anne Lovett tragedy-I recently reread the reports.....truly heartbreaking and a seminal moment in the evolution of modern Ireland

    Omagh bombing.....the sheer depravity of it rattled the "dissident movement" to the point of insignificance in modern Ireland

    Events surrounding the Gibraltar tragedy, especially the murder of the 2 british soldiers by a mob.
    THe guys that supported the Omagh bomb have their own wing in Portlaoise and have marches and the like in prison ...surely we could treat them a little worse? They also seem to pick and choose who can stay on their wing.


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    #158
    Ash.J.Williams
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    whitey1 wrote: »
    Mayo competing in 7 All Ireland Finals and winning none in the past 25 years.

    All codding aside, I think the following tragedies helped shape modern Ireland

    Anne Lovett tragedy-I recently reread the reports.....truly heartbreaking and a seminal moment in the evolution of modern Ireland

    Omagh bombing.....the sheer depravity of it rattled the "dissident movement" to the point of insignificance in modern Ireland

    Events surrounding the Gibraltar tragedy, especially the murder of the 2 british soldiers by a mob.
    It's a real life nightmare ....imagine being in the British army and finding yourself in the middle of an angry funeral mob.....that was an awful death


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    #159
    padd b1975
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    lazygal wrote: »
    The passing of the eighth amendment. As a woman I feel as though my rights are always subservient to those of a foetus.

    As I was once a foetus I disagree.


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    #160
    vitani
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    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    It's a real life nightmare ....imagine being in the British army and finding yourself in the middle of an angry funeral mob.....that was an awful death

    True - it was horrific. The video of the mob and the photo of Fr Alec Reid giving one of the soldiers his last rites are two things I'll never forget.


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    #161
    Calibos
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    Independence wasn't a mistake in and of itself. 90 years later we are better off than most of the rest of the UK. Èven as we try to recover from our economic woes of the last 6 or 7 years we are still much better off than the regions of the UK that stayed in. ie. Wales, Scotland, N.I and even parts of England itself such as the North. The myriad of mistakes we made since the 20's didn't make it that we would have been better of remaining in the UK. The myriad mistakes made it that we are only somewhat better off than a great swathe of the UK. Had we not made the mistakes we could have been substantially better off.


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    #162
    RandomName2
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    Hmm... it's funny. There's basically 4 types of post in this thread:

    • Worst event was when Dustin the Turkey colluded with Jedward to stop our success in da football
    • God-damn bankers and Fianna Fáil. Bankers and fianna fail... Fianker Báil!
    • The long night; shadow of gunmen; civil strife; and the spectre of the Catholic Church -workhouses, industrial schools, and poverty.
    • Up da Ra.


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    #163
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Hmm... it's funny. There's basically 4 types of post in this thread:

    • Worst event was when Dustin the Turkey colluded with Jedward to stop our success in da football
    • God-damn bankers and Fianna Fáil. Bankers and fianna fail... Fianker Báil!
    • The long night; shadow of gunmen; civil strife; and the spectre of the Catholic Church -workhouses, industrial schools, and poverty.
    • Up da Ra.

    It's reminding me a lot of this http://the-toast.net/2014/06/30/every-irish-novel-ever/


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    #164
    LostBoy101
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    FatherTed wrote: »
    Dev getting power. Really fked up the country in so many ways especially giving free reign to the church to chart the course of the country. Still paying for it. If someine else became leader long term e.g. Collins maybe the country would have ended up more secular.
    Agreed. If Collins just told Dev to **** off with his meeting in Cork he would of told the church the same.


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    #165
    riffmongous
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    It's interesting how the Omagh bombing gets mentioned twice as often as the Dublin/Monaghan bombings in this thread, while I appreciate that most people would only have been alive for one (in that boat myself) I would have expected D/M would figure as much as Omagh


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    #166
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Roy Keane leaving World Cup.


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    #167
    Ash.J.Williams
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    It's interesting how the Omagh bombing gets mentioned twice as often as the Dublin/Monaghan bombings in this thread, while I appreciate that most people would only have been alive for one (in that boat myself) I would have expected D/M would figure as much as Omagh

    Just educating myself on the d/m bombings now, horrific. With hindsight when you have an area such NI where the army/police are there to serve a portion of the population with a shared mindset, it's obvious, expected and normal to assume there was military expertise involved in the bombing.


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    #168
    Sam Kade
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Roy Keane leaving World Cup.

    How can you call a hissy fit an event?


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    #169
    ToddyDoody
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    Glenroe getting cancelled


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    #170
    Gmol
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    The shooting of Veronica Guerin and Jerry MacCabe


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    #171
    sabat
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    Adamantium wrote: »
    The bones of 800 babies dumped in a septic tank in Tuam and who knows how many other sites around the country...

    ...The congnitive dissonance ...


    ...Amazing how quickly that receded in the news.

    Maybe because it was a load of sensationalist internet bollox in a slow news week? There were about 20 skeletons in a converted disused septic tank. The story that the country was impoverished and conditions in these homes were bad is nothing new.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-tuam-tank-another-myth-about-evil-ireland/15140#.U9AFoKMapIU


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    #172
    Galwayguy35
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    RoadhouseBlues wrote: »
    The Omagh bombing. I was coming back from England on the ferry when the report came on the television. I sat in a quiet corner and didn't speak because I didn't want anyone to hear my accent. I was ashamed to be Irish that day.

    Why?
    You didn't plant a bomb so there is no need to be ashamed of your nationality.


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    #173
    Galwayguy35
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    The Famine

    The Black and Tans

    Dublin/ Monaghan bombings.


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    #174
    Henry Ford III
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    All the serious one have been well covered, so could I suggest.....

    The birth of Daniel O'Donnell?


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    #175
    Remmy
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    Adamantium wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h2c5v8IZNA

    jesus christ this is brutal


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    #176
    porsche boy
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    Garth Brooks


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    #177
    Dick phelan
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    Wow some posts are way off

    The shooting of a journalist the worst event in the states history
    The X case fiasco
    The Economic crisis.

    The Famine is clearly the worst event ever in Ireland, christ 1m dead and another million emigrating how could you seriously say that isn't the worst event in Irish history?


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    #178
    bitemeluis
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    Dick phelan wrote: »
    Wow some posts are way off

    The shooting of a journalist the worst event in the states history
    The X case fiasco
    The Economic crisis.

    The Famine is clearly the worst event ever in Ireland, christ 1m dead and another million emigrating how could you seriously say that isn't the worst event in Irish history?

    "modern" Irish history - watch ye dont fall getting down off that equine


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    #179
    blueser
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    Dick phelan wrote: »
    Wow some posts are way off

    The shooting of a journalist the worst event in the states history
    The X case fiasco
    The Economic crisis.

    The Famine is clearly the worst event ever in Ireland, christ 1m dead and another million emigrating how could you seriously say that isn't the worst event in Irish history?
    What part of ''modern'' don't you understand?


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    #180
    BarryLyndon
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    StudentDad wrote: »
    The 'rising' of 1916 which didn't have popular support. Leading to the overreaction of the govt. Which led to the war of independence and formation of the Free State. Following on from those actions this little country went from being one of the wealthiest in Europe to an economic, social and religious gulag.
    I read somewhere that during the 50's the govt. here toyed with the idea of ringing London and asking if we could rejoin the UK. Absolute madness.

    Thank god we joined the EEC when we did.

    SD

    How are the fruits of Empire working out for the people of Dundee and Humberside nowadays?


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    #181
    Calibos
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    BarryLyndon wrote: »
    How are the fruits of Empire working out for the people of Dundee and Humberside nowadays?

    Much the same point as I made. I was actually very recently in the "Should hand back the keys to Westminster with an apology" camp myself till a thread here a few months ago where someone made the point infinitely more eloquently and comprehensively that I.

    Basically, we fcuked up, we fcuked up regularily and we fcuked up big but even despite that we are still better off now than we would be if we were still part of the UK.

    As someone pointed out earlier there are 8 million Irish and children of Irish parents outside the country. Had we not made so many screw ups those 8 Million would be living here. Imagine how dynamic a nation we could be with 12 million people without that brain and labour drain and larger domestic demand. Yet despite everything we're still better off than if we had remained in the UK. But imagine what it could have been like with fewer screwups and 12 million native Irish!!


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