Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

zoe 3619 · 20-07-2014 12:04AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When a guard asks you to move you move, immediately.

Baaa

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 20-07-2014 12:05AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

Must have missed that post where it said the protesters were for losers wasters and idiots.

well I was paraphrasing:

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Rent a crowd knobends.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

More polite than i would be having my time wasted by those clowns.

Anyways, give it another 20 posts and those words will probably come up.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When a guard asks you to move you move, immediately.

Or you get your head scraped off the ground, gotcha. Totally reasonable.

My name is URL · 20-07-2014 12:05AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When a guard asks you to move you move, immediately.

Where's the law that states that?

geeksauce · 20-07-2014 12:05AM

To be fair it wouldnt have happened had he not put himself there in the first place. Was his own fault.

Tail Docker · 20-07-2014 12:05AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Problem is he refused to move, then resisted when the Gardai tried to move him. He was being carried by two Gardai when his head ended up on the ground as one lost hold of him while he continued to kick and fight. Its a situation he made for himself while his pals stood around shouting and giving the Gardai abuse.

To claim that its one step away from the Gardai killing someone is just complete and utter horseshíte.

He was having an epileptic fit. That fact makes your post seem a bit silly, to put it as mildly as I reckon I can, without a boards guard dragging my head long the ground.

mickydoomsux · 20-07-2014 12:06AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

Asked him to move, please, then if he didn't maybe say pretty please.

"I'll give you some sweeties!"

muddypaws · 20-07-2014 12:07AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When a guard tells you to move you move, no ifs or buts or maybes.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When a guard asks you to move you move, immediately.

Why? If I'm not breaking any law, why should I not question it? I respect the Gards, and I believe they have a very tough job, but putting on a uniform does not automatically make them right every time.

caustic 1 · 20-07-2014 12:08AM

From what I see the guard didn't have a proper hold of him in the first place and when he kicked out he lost his grip and the guy was on the ground with the other guard dragging him on.

geeksauce · 20-07-2014 12:08AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

"I'll give you some sweeties!"

Or "ill time ya, ready annnnnd go"

Tail Docker · 20-07-2014 12:09AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Bullshít. Idiots acting like idiots were getting called idiots long before RTE said anything about them.

I patiently await the day the state fecks with you and your view changes. I'll forget, hopefully you'll remember.

robertxxx · 20-07-2014 12:09AM

Video is gone

Awkward Badger · 20-07-2014 12:09AM

Tail Docker wrote: »

He was having an epileptic fit. That fact makes your post seem a bit silly, to put it as mildly as I reckon I can, without a boards guard dragging my head long the ground.

Doesn't look like he was having a fit to me, looks like he was resisting the Gardai as they tried to move him, and had a fit afterwards. Even his friends with him who knew he was epileptic didn't think he was having a fit. You can clearly hear a woman (possibly the camera woman) say "He's going to have a fit now in a minute, he's an epileptic".

caustic 1 · 20-07-2014 12:10AM

geeksauce wrote: »

Or "ill time ya, ready annnnnd go"

"No? Ahh go on now you know you want to".

KERSPLAT! · 20-07-2014 12:10AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

From what I see the guard didn't have a proper hold of him in the first place and when he kicked out he lost his grip and the guy was on the ground with the other guard dragging him on.

And then they both dragged him, face scraping off the ground. I wouldn't mind if he kicked out and fell on his head, accidental, fair enough. But to drag him with his head bobbling along was a bit much

All the same I'd agree with other posters, the video shows what they want you to see, we don't know what happened before

muddypaws · 20-07-2014 12:11AM

robertxxx wrote: »

Video is gone

Good, because whatever the rights and wrongs, its not nice to have someone in such a vulnerable position being shown on the internet.

Cienciano · 20-07-2014 12:11AM

We don't know what happened before the video, this guy could have been told not to stand on the road 10 times in the last hour. These protest police brutality videos usually are cut like that. I'd like to see the 5 minutes leading up to it.
From what we see in the video it looks like the gardai are arseholes, but from protest videos track record, it's hard to know.
I've also experience of police crowd control at football matches, and from a few experiences it's laughably bad.

gctest50 · 20-07-2014 12:11AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Where's the law that states that?

some section of the criminal justice (public order) act maybe ? dunno

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geeksauce · 20-07-2014 12:12AM

muddypaws wrote: »

Good, because whatever the rights and wrongs, its not nice to have someone in such a vulnerable position being shown on the internet.

You dont like porn then!!

muddypaws · 20-07-2014 12:15AM

geeksauce wrote: »

You dont like porn then!!

I know its AH, but seriously? :rolleyes:

Awkward Badger · 20-07-2014 12:15AM

gctest50 wrote: »

section 8 of the criminal justice (public order) act maybe ? dunno

8.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person in a public place and suspects, with reasonable cause, that such person—

(a) is or has been acting in a manner contrary to the provisions of section 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 or 9 , or

(b) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, is acting in a manner which consists of loitering in a public place in circumstances, which may include the company of other persons, that give rise to a reasonable apprehension for the safety of persons or the safety of property or for the maintenance of the public peace,

the member may direct the person so suspected to do either or both of the following, that is to say:

(i) desist from acting in such a manner, and

(ii) leave immediately the vicinity of the place concerned in a peaceable or orderly manner.

(2) It shall be an offence for any person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, to fail to comply with a direction given by a member of the Garda Síochána under this section.

(3) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

Relevant parts highlighted.

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 12:17AM

So you can expect a fine and prison.. Doesn't say anywhere there that you can expect to be dragged along the ground with your head holding you up.

Awkward Badger · 20-07-2014 12:18AM

dharma200 wrote: »

So you can expect a fine and prison.. Doesn't say anywhere there that you can expect to be dragged along the ground with your head holding you up.

Question was where does the law state that you must move when the Gardai instruct you to move. Despite some people thinking we're all sheep deferring to authority and daring not to have our own opinions in an oh so Irish way. I think we just might have some respect for authority and the law that governs our society and just don't see the need to act like a troublesome cúnt.

dharma200 · 20-07-2014 12:19AM

Ah sorry gotya....

mickydoomsux · 20-07-2014 12:19AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Question was where does the law state that you must move when the Gardai instruct you to move.

He wasn't expecting an actual, correctly sourced answer.

Cienciano · 20-07-2014 12:19AM

dharma200 wrote: »

So if someone doesn't move when asked they can be expected to be dragged along by the feet with their head in full contact with the ground....
I honestly think there is something seriously wrong with that.

According to some, as soon as the gardai bumps into you, if you happen to stumble, you're then "resisting", so deserve to have your head dragged along the ground.
Even ED 209 from Robocop gave you 20 seconds.

geeksauce · 20-07-2014 12:20AM

muddypaws wrote: »

I know its AH, but seriously? :rolleyes:

Yes Yes seriously

muddypaws · 20-07-2014 12:21AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Question was where does the law state that you must move when the Gardai instruct you to move.

If your read that, it doesn't say you have to move when they instruct you to, no matter what the circumstances, they must have good reason, and if you have a reasonable excuse, you can stay put.

You edited, so I will as well. Yes, I agree we should have respect for authority, but also should know our rights and both the public and the Gards should be able to treat each other with respect.

joe swanson · 20-07-2014 12:21AM

Scumbag gets arrested shocker. Throws a couple of kicks by the look of it. Don't see any brutality. Usual rent a mob at work

geeksauce · 20-07-2014 12:22AM

muddypaws wrote: »

If your read that, it doesn't say you have to move when they instruct you to, no matter what the circumstances, they must have good reason, and if you have a reasonable excuse, you can stay put.

Blocking a public road would be reason enough for you to be asked to move.

mickydoomsux · 20-07-2014 12:22AM

Cienciano wrote: »

According to some, as soon as the gardai bumps into you, if you happen to stumble, you're then "resisting", so deserve to have your head dragged along the ground.
Even ED 209 from Robocop gave you 20 seconds.

According to who, exactly?

Shocking video of guards in Dublin today

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