80% of Irish Adults Overweight

homemadecider · 18-07-2014 09:48PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Not too many carbs (no grains & little sugar) in this plan of yours. Do you secretly hate them?! You've contradicted yourself!

LOL, I'm flattered you're digging through my post history but if you look at what I actually eat (cooking forum posts) versus that post where I thought about what I might eat to get prepared for my wedding, you'll see lots of rice, oat bread, banana smoothies, pasta, potato salads etc. I'm less than 130lbs and in pretty good shape, carbs n all.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 09:48PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you're going to quote Wilde finish the sentence..."but the highest firm of intelligence".

There is no one size fits all solution, Bruno. Arm people with the knowledge to make good decisions. That's more important than specifying 'the only route to success'

If you're going to quote Wilde spell the quote correctly!!

If you'd read one of my earlier posts in this thread I said something similar that people need to learn what makes them fat and how to maintain a healthy weight. There sort of is a one size fits all. Eat real food, lower carbohydrate consumption, spend time cooking and do some intense exercise.

Alf Veedersane · 18-07-2014 09:52PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

If you're going to quote Wilde spell the quote correctly!!

Wow, really?

Bualadh bos.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 09:52PM

homemadecider wrote: »

LOL, I'm flattered you're digging through my post history but if you look at what I actually eat (cooking forum posts) versus that post where I thought about what I might eat to get prepared for my wedding, you'll see lots of rice, oat bread, banana smoothies, pasta, potato salads etc. I'm less than 130lbs and in pretty good shape, carbs n all.

That's good. I'm sure you eat very healthy but I'd take a guess that you watch your portions and count calories though.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 09:55PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Wow, really?

Bualadh bos.

No not really - just couldn't resist the error in your smartness!

Boskowski · 18-07-2014 09:59PM

Overeating and eating sh1te is just the going thing it seems. And simply not knowing whats good or not too.

In our canteen (big multinational) they usually serve 3 different meals plus a few lighter options. For example you can do your own salad at the bar or order open sandwiches etc.

Now about a year ago we had 'health week' and as part of that each meal on the menu got either a green, yellow or red light which roughly describes their healthiness (calories). Now in that first week all our stuff was exposed as 'red'. You know the usual stuff like pork chops with all the veg and mash, breaded chicken with all the veg and mash, roast beef with - you guessed it - all the veg and mash. Or maybe chips or croquettes from the deep fat frier. (Of course anything that could possibly be cooked in the deep fat frier is being cooked in the deep fat frier. But thats another thing.) Anyway so from that week on the chef was under pressure to have at least one meal on the menu every day that wasn't red. Ideally green even. And he managed after initial struggle and he does actually quite well now.

But the bottom line is unless he gets inventive there wouldn't be anything at all. Anything and everything that would be considered good healthy standard stuff by most people is a big deep fat red. And people still eat that every day. Like lumps of it with 3 or 4 mash, gravy, everything. Monster plates.

That is for office workers. Not bricklayers, gardeners or miners or something.

Funniest thing I saw was a girl who I wouldn't consider big or anything but not a million miles away from borderline, still attractive but at the same time obviously under pressure to keep things in check and her idea of a toned down dinner was just to have the 4 mash with gravy. :eek:
And I mean of course you couldn't even offer advice, that could end very badly.

Another favourite of mine are the people that you only ever see eating 2 salad leaves but are 20 stone. Who are they kidding? They're obviously shovelling sh1te into themselves when no ones looking.

I think food education would go a long way and clearly not just for kids but most importantly for adults.

whenever · 18-07-2014 09:59PM

YFlyer wrote: »

lol no I doubt it. BMI doesn't work so well for muscular people.

My earlier post was intended to question an obsession by some people - medics, academics, fitness and nutrition gurus - with how people choose to shorten their lives.
I reckon that with a looming age imbalance in the population you tell people the risks and then let them get on with it. My only personal concern is the discomfort of sharing narrow seating arrangements on public transport but especially on aircraft, I was alarmed to hear a proposal to put even more seats in short haul aircraft, It's a nonsense for Ryanair to penalise overweight on their meagre baggage allowance but allow overweight passengers to occupy 11/2 seats.

Doug Cartel · 18-07-2014 10:32PM

YFlyer wrote: »

lol no I doubt it. BMI doesn't work so well for muscular people.

So if it isn't a significant factor, why did you bring it up?

Alf Veedersane · 18-07-2014 11:03PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

No not really - just couldn't resist the error in your smartness!

It wasn't smartness.

Auto-correct took advantage of my fat, carb-laden fingers.

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 11:24PM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

So if it isn't a significant factor, why did you bring it up?

Was saying that the BMI indicator, especially on its own, is not a good indicator for measuring approximate fat content in people. Muscular people would have a high BMI yet their fat content be lower then the population average.

Now I can't access that study here since I'm using the SMart TV. Think they did use waist measurements for some of the subject. So if waist and BMI is large it is then likely due to high fat content.

feargale · 18-07-2014 11:27PM

Simple solution : another great famine.

guitarzero · 18-07-2014 11:30PM

Those food pyramids :rolleyes: , things like bread, pasta, cereal and meat take priority over fruit and veg, insane. Fruit and veg should be our staple diet considering they are without doubt healthier. As long as the public are codded into thinking that the likes of breads, meats and pasta are more important parts of our diet then it I cant see the problem getting any better.

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 11:35PM

feargale wrote: »

Simple solution : another great famine.

Yes cut back on the spuds

Doug Cartel · 18-07-2014 11:43PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Was saying that the BMI indicator, especially on its own, is not a good indicator for measuring approximate fat content in people. Muscular people would have a high BMI yet their fat content be lower then the population average.

But you also said that the over 50s weren't generally muscular people, so why are you discounting BMI?

We have a population of people. We have an easily measured factor which can be used to assess general health. The factor in this case is BMI. It doesn't apply in 100% of cases, but in the population we are looking at, very few people display the additional factors which would invalidate our primary factor (BMI).

Do you have a good reason for discounting BMI? One that applies to most over 50s in Ireland?

Blacktie. · 19-07-2014 07:34AM

A very good article on the demonisation of first fat and now sugar.

LINK

Bruno26 · 19-07-2014 10:20AM

guitarzero wrote: »

Those food pyramids :rolleyes: , things like bread, pasta, cereal and meat take priority over fruit and veg, insane. Fruit and veg should be our staple diet considering they are without doubt healthier. As long as the public are codded into thinking that the likes of breads, meats and pasta are more important parts of our diet then it I cant see the problem getting any better.

I'd agree with most of that. However fruit is not as good for us as is made out. The fruit we consume should mostly be berries. I'd also take grass fed meat out of the bad list. The bottom of the pyramid should be green veg, seafood, good fats and all cuts of grass fed meat (especially offal).

80% of Irish Adults Overweight

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