80% of Irish Adults Overweight

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 02:52PM

diarmuid05 wrote: »

Counting calories from a diet that includes carbs and sugar is bloody tough and most people fail.

Remove the carbs and sugar, counting calories becomes so easy that u don't have to bother counting at all

Exactly. It's a lifestyle change. The key thing is that it is easily sustainable but it does require a change of mindset and an understanding of what causes people to get fat.

walshb · 18-07-2014 02:59PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

The food pyramind does not work. It is not fine. If it was fine there would not be so many overweight unhealthy people. People overeat because they base their diet on carbohydrates (processed food). This results in feeling hungry again soon after eating which leads to overeating.

Why is it not fine? Weight gain is partly natural and partly eating more than what you expel.

Alf Veedersane · 18-07-2014 03:04PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Exactly. It's a lifestyle change. The key thing is that it is easily sustainable but it does require a change of mindset and an understanding of what causes people to get fat.

The key is the second half of that.

People should have a better understanding of what they're eating so they have an appreciation of what they're doing and what they need to change.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 04:04PM

walshb wrote: »

Why is it not fine? Weight gain is partly natural and partly eating more than what you expel.

It's not fine because it tells us to base our diet on carbs (grains) That's bad and incorrect advice.

Maximus Alexander · 18-07-2014 04:09PM

Eat when you're hungry, don't when you're not. Run or cycle, walk some places. Bam, all of a sudden you're a healthy weight.

People way over-complicate this.

MD1990 · 18-07-2014 04:22PM

walshb wrote: »

The food and types of food, whilst important, is not the real issue. Over eating is the real issue. Even ingesting too much 'good' food will see you put on weight and add to your BMI. Portion size is key. Obey the food pyramid, or something similar, exercise and stay active and you can't go far wrong.

Not true imo. Irish people in general eat too many carbohydrates.

Blacktie. · 18-07-2014 04:22PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Eat when you're hungry, don't when you're not. Run or cycle, walk some places. Bam, all of a sudden you're a healthy weight.

People way over-complicate this.

You think people get fat because they want to? Eat when you're hungry isn't very helpful if you're raised to believe anything that's not a full stomach counts as hungry.

Maximus Alexander · 18-07-2014 04:26PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

You think people get fat because they want to? Eat when you're hungry isn't very helpful if you're raised to believe anything that's not a full stomach counts as hungry.

I'm not qualified to diagnose why people get fat and I never attempted to.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 05:34PM

walshb wrote: »

The food and types of food, whilst important, is not the real issue. Over eating is the real issue. Even ingesting too much 'good' food will see you put on weight and add to your BMI. Portion size is key. Obey the food pyramid, or something similar, exercise and stay active and you can't go far wrong.

The type of food is the entire issue. People eat the wrong foods which leads to overeating. If people ate the right food they wouldn't overeat. There would be no need to count calories. Portion size isn't important if carbs (grains and sugar) are restricted. Your body (brain) will tell you when you feel full. The right foods satisfy hunger and stop cravings.

Exercise is brilliant but you can't out exercise a bad diet.

cc87 · 18-07-2014 05:41PM

I think people should be accountable for their weight and any issues that may arise from being overweight. Medical treatment should be prescribed only once a willingness to address issues has being shown. Parents should be accountable for their children's weight.

Schools should do yearly health & fitness tests with rewards for meeting standards.

I think saying education is key doesn't work in Ireland and there's precedent to show that. Smoking levels only really started to drop after the smoking ban came into play. Drink-driving only started to drop after stricter enforcement and more testing. Its all about negative reinforcement!

Until it is easier to eat healthy than not, people won't.

Leroy42 · 18-07-2014 05:43PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

You think people get fat because they want to? Eat when you're hungry isn't very helpful if you're raised to believe anything that's not a full stomach counts as hungry.

Maybe they don't want to get fat, but they make the choice that eating more is more important that any weight gain.

Are we really trying to suggest that people don't know what food is good or bad for them. Are people really suggesting that people think that curry chips is better for them than steamed veg?

Come on! People know this but make the choice anyway.

tayto lover · 18-07-2014 05:58PM

Stop worrying lads.
80% of African people are under-weight. I wonder which is healthier?

big syke · 18-07-2014 06:49PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Maybe they don't want to get fat, but they make the choice that eating more is more important that any weight gain.

Are we really trying to suggest that people don't know what food is good or bad for them. Are people really suggesting that people think that curry chips is better for them than steamed veg?

Come on! People know this but make the choice anyway.

Well I know people who think a pasta, few breakfast bars, brown bread, diet drinks, low fat yoplat yogurts, granola bars, anything "low fat" etc are heathy food that help weight loss. So there is a misconception and miseducation on what is good and bad foods.

The amount of my work colleagues that say red meat, eggs, fats etc are bad is unreal. But it's not entirely their fault....

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 06:53PM

Anybody have access to the study? I just have Siobhan's 2012 paper when she was at University of Limerick.

Edit: Its ok, I found the report.

whenever · 18-07-2014 07:16PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

irishtimes/news/health/almost-80-of-older-irish-adults-are-overweight-
shocking stat. and the children are not far behind.

a huge change of direction is needed.
maybe its time for the state to stop promoting the failed food pyramid model in schools - yep, still being taught.
stop pedalling a low fat diet as being healthy
introduce proper labelling on food - stop food companies claiming their products are good for health eg cereals, bread, yoghurts, spreads,
calories for each portion in restaurants and fast food outlets

What does it mean to say x% are overweight ? Is there some reference set of ideal humans who provide the averages against which to make this statement?

If people know that greater weight may shorten their lives then their lifestyle is their choice.

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 07:23PM

whenever wrote: »

What does it mean to say x% are overweight ? Is there some reference set of ideal humans who provide the averages against which to make this statement?

If people know that greater weight may shorten their lives then their lifestyle is their choice.

Its based on the WHO Body Mass Index (BMI) Classification.

whenever · 18-07-2014 07:39PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Its based on the WHO Body Mass Index (BMI) Classification.

So we take a nonlinear mapping of individual's height and weight to obtain a controlled variable to use to regulate societal behaviour.

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 07:48PM

I'm not a fan of BMI either. Muscular sports people would have a high BMI index.

Doug Cartel · 18-07-2014 08:12PM

A significant number of over 50s Irish males are muscular sports people now?

walshb · 18-07-2014 08:45PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Not true imo. Irish people in general eat too many carbohydrates.

Yes, types of food are important, that is why we have a food pyramid. It's people overeating, and overeating certain food types. Portion size is also important.

walshb · 18-07-2014 08:47PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

The type of food is the entire issue. People eat the wrong foods which leads to overeating. If people ate the right food they wouldn't overeat. There would be no need to count calories. Portion size isn't important if carbs (grains and sugar) are restricted. Your body (brain) will tell you when you feel full. The right foods satisfy hunger and stop cravings.

Exercise is brilliant but you can't out exercise a bad diet.

Very good points, and it's why the food pyramid, if used correctly can help people. As well, eating too fast can lead to the person not realizing that he is full. He then ingests food that he probably didn't need. It becomes a bad habit, and the lbs pile on.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 09:17PM

The following should be the official guidelines on nutrition.

http://www.soulcraft.co/info/bulletproofdiet.pdf

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/introducing-the-new-primal-blueprint-food-pyramid/#axzz37qutZG85

http://energytransformations.wikispaces.com/file/view/SuperhumanFoodPyramid-BenGreenfield.pdf

homemadecider · 18-07-2014 09:23PM

Oh brilliant, another thread where Bruno26 tells us repeatedly that he hates carbs.

How refreshing.

18-07-2014 09:24PM

I'm eating carbs RIGHT NOW

oooOoooo

gctest50 · 18-07-2014 09:27PM

Really need walkthrough scanners that do this :

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 09:30PM

homemadecider wrote: »

Oh brilliant, another thread where Bruno26 tells us repeatedly that he hates carbs.

How refreshing.

How predictable. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I never said that so don't make assumptions.

Where are your solutions?

Alf Veedersane · 18-07-2014 09:36PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

How predictable. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I never said that so don't make assumptions.

Where are your solutions?

If you're going to quote Wilde finish the sentence..."but the highest firm of intelligence".

There is no one size fits all solution, Bruno. Arm people with the knowledge to make good decisions. That's more important than specifying 'the only route to success'

homemadecider · 18-07-2014 09:38PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

How predictable. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I never said that so don't make assumptions.

Where are your solutions?

Everything in moderation, regular exercise. It's pretty straightforward. FYI I'm slim but eat lots of carbs every day; they don't make me fat.

Bruno26 · 18-07-2014 09:43PM

homemadecider wrote: »

Everything in moderation, regular exercise. It's pretty straightforward. FYI I'm slim but eat lots of carbs every day; they don't make me fat.

homemadecider wrote: »

Thanks all, lots of good advice in there.

I really enjoy walking so I'll start walking to work more. It's 5km to my office so that's a good start. My fiance has a weights bench so I'm planning on using that twice a week. Might have to suck it up and do some Jillian Michaels as well - her videos are so tough!

In terms of food, I'm planning something like this:

Breakfast - weekdays: Natural yogurt, blueberries, seeds. Weekends - eggs, bacon/ salmon.

Lunch - Chicken/ eggs with salad and cheese or homemade soup with some cream.

Dinner - Meat and veg based dinners cooked from scratch; we're both good cooks and enjoy cooking so that will be fine. I happen to love vegetables so no issue there.

Snacks - Maybe banana/ apple/ handful peanuts? I'm not mad about nuts and won't eat some types of them, are salted peanuts a terrible idea?

I will have the whole year focus on getting fit and healthy; I actually don't have much wedding planning to do as we're going to elope overseas.

Not too many carbs (no grains & little sugar) in this plan of yours. Do you secretly hate them?! You've contradicted yourself!

YFlyer · 18-07-2014 09:46PM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

A significant number of over 50s Irish males are muscular sports people now?

lol no I doubt it. BMI doesn't work so well for muscular people.

80% of Irish Adults Overweight

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