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  • #52
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Okay. There is.
    But i feel there is too much clout here been given to the ''law''.
    The law as I have said before is a mutable thing. Up to a certain point in history women were not permitted to vote, and women protested (in a prolonged and annoying manner) and this law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history homosexual relations were illegal, and people protested (again in an annoying and uncomfortable manner) and the unjust law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history black people were forbidden to sit near the front of buses in America and Rosa Parkes protested in a way that made the white people on the bus feel repelled....ie by taking a seat amongst them...illegally.

    The point is the law is often an ass, it often takes repeated protest to bring it to account, and undoubtedly future generations will look back on some of our present day ''laws'' (including legally maintained places like Guantanamo Bay and rendition and invasion of privacy by governments and so on and so forth) and wonder why we were so stupid as civilised populations to live with such barbarity.

    Again what proof is their that any of this happened at Shannon ? links please anything, As if your protesting Americans then why not just hang out around Starbucks or dell or Intel. Were you don't have to put other peoples lives at risk.


  • #53
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Okay. There is.
    But i feel there is too much clout here been given to the ''law''.
    The law as I have said before is a mutable thing. Up to a certain point in history women were not permitted to vote, and women protested (in a prolonged and annoying manner) and this law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history homosexual relations were illegal, and people protested (again in an annoying and uncomfortable manner) and the unjust law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history black people were forbidden to sit near the front of buses in America and Rosa Parkes protested in a way that made the white people on the bus feel repelled....ie by taking a seat amongst them...illegally.

    The point is the law is often an ass, it often takes repeated protest to bring it to account, and undoubtedly future generations will look back on some of our present day ''laws'' (including legally maintained places like Guantanamo Bay and rendition and invasion of privacy by governments and so on and so forth) and wonder why we were so stupid as civilised populations to live with such barbarity.

    But the law isn't an ass in this case - there are very strong public safety reasons for excluding unauthorised and untrained people from large chunks of the airside element of airports.

    It also seems the law is being applied very fairly - the prison sentence is not automatic. She was given time to reflect and she decided not to sign the bond.

    If she feels so hard done by, has she lodged an appeal?


  • #54
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Military jet intakes.......and these are the trained guys - it's also hard to believe it but this guy survived.......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwP_PSNxsf8


  • #55
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Again what proof is their that any of this happened at shannon ? links please anything

    Tell you what darkpagandeath, why don't you prove it hasn't? links please anything...

    To imagine that I can prove Extraordinary Rendition has taken place at Shannon beyond reasonable doubt is asking the impossible. But then you know that. And it makes you feel satisfied that you can plot your course believing it has not. Go ahead. There are very many things that happen in this world that I will not be able to prove to you, (links please anything) but yet still they happen.

    But just to get you started...
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/us-report-accuses-ireland-of-collusion-in-extraordinary-rendition-flights-583676.html

    http://www.amnesty.ie/content/rendition-flights

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#Ireland


  • #56
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    seen that one they reckon the helmet coming off first wreaking the blades enough saved his life.
    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Tell you what darkpagandeath, why don't you prove it hasn't? links please anything...

    To imagine that I can prove Extraordinary Rendition has taken place at Shannon beyond reasonable doubt is asking the impossible. But then you know that. And it makes you feel satisfied that you can plot your course believing it has not. Go ahead. There are very many things that happen in this world that I will not be able to prove to you, (links please anything) but yet still they happen.

    But just to get you started...
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/us-report-accuses-ireland-of-collusion-in-extraordinary-rendition-flights-583676.html

    http://www.amnesty.ie/content/rendition-flights

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#Ireland

    So that's a no to proof then, Or I'm guessing some investigation would have found something. Theory's and could not do without help do not prove anything. And Tbh it’s the person making the remarks about this happening job to prove it is.


  • #57
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Jawgap wrote: »
    She's paid out of the public purse for her artistic endeavours - a condition of the tax free payment she receives is that she works full time at being an artist. She has, of her own volition, placed herself in a position where she cannot work full time.

    Surely, the arts funding she receives would be better spent by diverting it, perhaps, to another artist who is willing to honour the terms of the payment?

    Wouldn't it be great if the government just paid us and then left us to do what we wanted?

    Don't forget to include the tax payer money that has had to be spent on security when these idiots have held their protests in Shannon. Then factor in the legal expenses to deal with her attention whoring.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    I think people on here might not quite understand the meaning of the word ''Professional''...it is getting thrown around a lot and in the wrong context. professional means engaged in a specified activity as one's main PAID occupation. Margretta D'Arcy does not get paid to protest. i think you are looking for a different word, like ''regular'' or ''committed'' or i don't know, choose a word yerselves that is more accurate.

    As for those who would have an old lady live in penury for daring to express her opinion, I hope the sun always shines for ye.

    Yes were all know what it means but it's perfectly acceptable to use in the context many have used here. Perhaps felon or criminal would be more to your liking. It's amusing to see this women happily live Off money from the government yet not have the decency to respect its laws. Surely someone in receipt of arts funding which to live off should not have the time to spend weeks and months at a time at protests.

    Most artists I know spend every waking hour at their craft. They don't have time to sit around for days on end doing nothing.

    And by the way none here had a problem with her expressing her opinion. She's welcome to do so, as are the rest of us. What we take issue with is the fact that she believes herself above the law. She has chosen to go back to prison and as such no one should have sympathy for her plight.


  • #59
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Like many profession protesters she's quite happy to accept handouts from the government but which to flaunt the law when it suits het

    Quite a few members of the anti-war groups around Ireland have communist tendancies, so taking government money isn't much of an issue for them. It also goes some way to explain their particularily narrow focus


  • #60
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    czx wrote: »
    Quite a few members of the anti-war groups around Ireland have communist tendancies, so taking government money isn't much of an issue for them. It also goes some way to explain their particularily narrow focus

    They must have missed the parts were communist states have done far far far worse deeds than their hated Americans...


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  • #61
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    They must have missed the parts were communist states have done far far far worse deeds than their hated Americans...

    The irony being that she has to actively try and get into prison here, as opposed to being thrown in because she's an artist


  • #62
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Okay. There is.
    But i feel there is too much clout here been given to the ''law''.
    The law as I have said before is a mutable thing. Up to a certain point in history women were not permitted to vote, and women protested (in a prolonged and annoying manner) and this law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history homosexual relations were illegal, and people protested (again in an annoying and uncomfortable manner) and the unjust law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history black people were forbidden to sit near the front of buses in America and Rosa Parkes protested in a way that made the white people on the bus feel repelled....ie by taking a seat amongst them...illegally.

    The point is the law is often an ass, it often takes repeated protest to bring it to account, and undoubtedly future generations will look back on some of our present day ''laws'' (including legally maintained places like Guantanamo Bay and rendition and invasion of privacy by governments and so on and so forth) and wonder why we were so stupid as civilised populations to live with such barbarity.

    In fairness, there's quite a difference between Rosa Parks and this eejit intruding on an active runway.


  • #63
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    In fairness, there's quite a difference between Rosa Parks and this eejit intruding on an active runway.

    I can't get over the comparison of African American rights, to compare that to terrorists that would quite happily kill as many people as they could. Cant they see a difference ?


  • #64
    phill106
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,821 ✭✭✭phill106


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Meanwhile military planes refuel at Shannon. Why should we allow that when we claim neutrality?
    So if a bank robber filled up his car at topaz before he robbed a bank, should topaz then be arrested as an accessory before the fact? Or would he be complicit in the robbery itself?


  • #65
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Okay. There is.
    But i feel there is too much clout here been given to the ''law''.
    The law as I have said before is a mutable thing. Up to a certain point in history women were not permitted to vote, and women protested (in a prolonged and annoying manner) and this law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history homosexual relations were illegal, and people protested (again in an annoying and uncomfortable manner) and the unjust law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history black people were forbidden to sit near the front of buses in America and Rosa Parkes protested in a way that made the white people on the bus feel repelled....ie by taking a seat amongst them...illegally.

    The point is the law is often an ass, it often takes repeated protest to bring it to account, and undoubtedly future generations will look back on some of our present day ''laws'' (including legally maintained places like Guantanamo Bay and rendition and invasion of privacy by governments and so on and so forth) and wonder why we were so stupid as civilised populations to live with such barbarity.

    There is one word that always springs to mind when I read or see anything to do with Rosa Parks and that's 'dignity.' Her protest was so powerful because like all good protests it was executed with dignity and bearing - not cheap melodramatic publicity stunts.......


    .........and btw she didn't sit in the 'white' section of the bus, she was sat in the 'coloured' section - she refused to give up her seat when ordered to do so by the driver when the 'white' section of the bus was full - she also violated a law that was subsequently found to be unconstitutional - have Ms D'Arcy's supporters endeavoured to have the law allowing military flights through Shannon struck down in the way the NAACP used the courts to have Montgomery' city ordinances overturned?


  • #66
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    In fairness, there's quite a difference between Rosa Parks and this eejit intruding on an active runway.

    In fairness an 80 year old 'eejit' as you so quaintly put it shouldn't be able to get near an active runway - says more about airport security than anything else. Anyway, great to see the law cracking down on these types of dangerous lawbreakers. :rolleyes:


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  • #67
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    In fairness an 80 year old 'eejit' as you so quaintly put it shouldn't be able to get near an active runway - says more about airport security than anything else. Anyway, great to see the law cracking down on these types of dangerous lawbreakers. :rolleyes:

    Your right, should have armed patrols shooting on sight.


  • #68
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Your right, should have armed patrols shooting on sight.

    Unlikely, in case you haven't noticed, Ireland doesn't do security and one of these days some nut job is going to take advantage of that big time - and it won't be some old dear who has the courage of her convictions.


  • #69
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Unlikely, in case you haven't noticed, Ireland doesn't do security and one of these days some nut job is going to take advantage of that big time - and it won't be some old dear who has the courage of her convictions.

    Yeah but i hear the perimeter around Shannon is quite big, And security tend not to expect randomers deliberately walking onto a runway.


  • #70
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You would be better off sending pictures of what a massive plane crash looks like on landing or after take off due to foreign debris on the runway.

    Unlikely.

    What's more likely - she is sucked into the engine from what she thought was a safe distance - ground beef out the exhaust - indication of abnormal temperatures - engine shut down - safe landing with an engine shut down as all aircraft are designed to do and all aircrew are trained to do.

    Aosdana can gather up the mince and award it yet more taxpayers' money.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #71
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Okay. There is.
    But i feel there is too much clout here been given to the ''law''.
    The law as I have said before is a mutable thing. Up to a certain point in history women were not permitted to vote, and women protested (in a prolonged and annoying manner) and this law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history homosexual relations were illegal, and people protested (again in an annoying and uncomfortable manner) and the unjust law was repealed. Up to a certain point in history black people were forbidden to sit near the front of buses in America and Rosa Parkes protested in a way that made the white people on the bus feel repelled....ie by taking a seat amongst them...illegally.

    The point is the law is often an ass, it often takes repeated protest to bring it to account, and undoubtedly future generations will look back on some of our present day ''laws'' (including legally maintained places like Guantanamo Bay and rendition and invasion of privacy by governments and so on and so forth) and wonder why we were so stupid as civilised populations to live with such barbarity.

    You really think that the law that prohibits people endangering hundreds of lives by trespassing on an active runway is the equivalent of racist segregation? That's possibly the stupidist post on boards in ages (which is impressive given the Garth Brooks thread :pac:)


    Aldo, it's strange that Ms Darcy's objections to violence don't extend to objecting to a 25 year old man being blown to pieces. A bit hypocytical of her, but no more than is to be expected really.


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  • #72
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    Whether or not I agree with her protest or whatever I really respect her for standing up for something she believes in to this extent, most wouldn't do it.


  • #73
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The very best people at standing up for what they believe in are the criminally insane. They don't let facts, evidence or law get in their way. I regard that as pitiable rather than admirable though.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #74
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Fair dues. She has more balls than most of us here hammering away furiously at our keyboards calling her names.


  • #75
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Satriale wrote: »
    Fair dues. She has more balls than most of us here hammering away furiously at our keyboards calling her names.

    Fair dues ? more balls ? she went on to an active runway ?

    She is terrorist filth

    - she is either off her game and didn't know what she was doing
    or
    - she knew she was endangering lives

    either way - she needs to in a safe place

    It was the same as running into an operating theatre in a hospital because you were protesting about long waiting times in A & E

    ya just don't do it

    .


  • #76
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Fair dues ? more balls ? she went on to an active runway ?

    She is terrorist filth


    .


    I'd suggest that's enough internet for you for tonight.


  • #77
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'd suggest that's enough internet for you for tonight.

    modding much?

    .


  • #78
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Satriale wrote: »
    Fair dues. She has more balls than most of us here hammering away furiously at our keyboards calling her names.

    Fair dues... she has more balls than us.... at least she stood up for.......

    No, what she did was just really stupid. If she needs to pull a stunt like that to get her point across then her poetry mustn't be the best


  • #79
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Silly bint.


  • #80
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Unlikely, in case you haven't noticed, Ireland doesn't do security and one of these days some nut job is going to take advantage of that big time - and it won't be some old dear who has the courage of her convictions.

    Let's just hope they do something to prevent people like her endangering lives.


  • #81
    Oink
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink


    Breaking News: This what happens in Irish prisons: "we eat in our cell, and we also we go to the toilet in our cell, and I think this is unacceptable"

    The madness. thankfully, "There are plans for a wonderful new jail". Oh I do hope ever so much that it is a lovely litte jail...Wouldn't it be swell!

    EDIT: linky:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/anti-war-activist-says-limerick-prison-conditions-inhumane-1.1870890


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  • #82
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Oink wrote: »
    Breaking News: This what happens in Irish prisons: "we eat in our cell, and we also we go to the toilet in our cell, and I think this is unacceptable"

    The madness. thankfully, "There are plans for a wonderful new jail". Oh I do hope ever so much that it is a lovely litte jail...Wouldn't it be swell!

    EDIT: linky:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/anti-war-activist-says-limerick-prison-conditions-inhumane-1.1870890

    That's some picture. :eek:


  • #83
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Oink wrote: »
    Breaking News: This what happens in Irish prisons: "we eat in our cell, and we also we go to the toilet in our cell, and I think this is unacceptable"

    The madness. thankfully, "There are plans for a wonderful new jail". Oh I do hope ever so much that it is a lovely litte jail...Wouldn't it be swell!

    EDIT: linky:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/anti-war-activist-says-limerick-prison-conditions-inhumane-1.1870890

    That's terrible........what a pity there is no easy way for her to get out......


  • #84
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    That's some picture. :eek:

    Am printing that pic and putting it over the fireplace to keep the young lad away from it.


  • #85
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Am printing that pic and putting it over the fireplace to keep the young lad away from it.

    Good idea. Just don't expect him to sleep for a week.


  • #86
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Inhumane? Imagine of she went to a real prison.


  • #87
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Inhumane? Imagine of she went to a real prison.

    She goes there by choice. Don't like prison? Don't break the law. :D


  • #88
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    bumper234 wrote: »
    She goes there by choice. Don't like prison? Don't break the law. :D

    I love the way she thinks that women criminals should somehow be treated differently to male criminals.


  • #89
    kupus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    ah poor craytur.


  • #90
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    "She said she expected to be placed back inside a prison cell as she would not comply with a previous court order to refrain from unauthorised access to Shannon Airport."

    Fine.


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  • #91
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    blackwhite wrote: »
    I love the way she thinks that women criminals should somehow be treated differently to male criminals.

    Seems like they already are. Compare the Dochas Centre to Mountjoy.


  • #92
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I'm just pissed off that they let her out a week early. Should have let her stay in on hunger strike.


  • #93
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    That's some picture. :eek:

    Well, orange is the new black......


  • #94
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I'm just pissed off that they let her out a week early. Should have let her stay in on hunger strike.

    She wasn't on hunger strike!
    "Ms D’Arcy (80), who was serving part of a second prison sentence over her opposition to the US military use of Shannon Airport, said she had to defecate in the same cell where she ate her meals, and that she was locked up for 23 hours a day."


  • #95
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    She wasn't on hunger strike!
    "Ms D’Arcy (80), who was serving part of a second prison sentence over her opposition to the US military use of Shannon Airport, said she had to defecate in the same cell where she ate her meals, and that she was locked up for 23 hours a day."

    Was it the last time the silly bint was inside that she threatened to go on hunger strike? What did she expect.....A holiday camp?


  • #96
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Was it the last time the silly bint was inside that she threatened to go on hunger strike? What did she expect.....A holiday camp?
    She said she was going on hunger strike this time, again I quote the article "She had gone on a limited hunger strike as an act of solidarity with victims of war around the world."


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  • #97
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    She said she was going on hunger strike this time, again I quote the article "She had gone on a limited hunger strike as an act of solidarity with victims of war around the world."

    Must have skipped tea and biscuits at 6pm in support of them :D


  • #98
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    God love her, she didn't get her little apartment in Limerick like she had at the Dochas centre in Dublin. Silly bint, writing dreadful poetry, boring the arse off everyone and not having the decency to just feck off and die shut up.


  • #99
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    gctest50 wrote: »
    She is terrorist filth
    Ah here. Disagree away with what she does, but she isn't a terrorist in fairness.


  • #100
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    jayus, John Gilligan didnt get this much hate...


  • #101
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Ah here. Disagree away with what she does, but she isn't a terrorist in fairness.

    She wanted/wants people to boycott Shannon

    She went on an active runway

    Some people may now be afraid to use Shannon in case her and her helpers do something more drastic

    Sounds like terrorism that

    Its much the same as running into an operating theatre in a hospital to protest at long waiting times in A&E - you just don't do it

    .


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