Those damn cyclists again!

Pinch Flat · 17-07-2014 11:23PM

(Pressed post twice)

Dredd_J · 17-07-2014 11:30PM

As a cyclist myself - on dry calm days - and a driver any other day i really am amazed at the disregard for their own lives that most cyclists have in Dublin.
Its unbelievable the amount of cyclists lives I save in the mornings when im driving in Dublin city, despite their best efforts to die.

Jawgap · 17-07-2014 11:36PM

Dredd_J wrote: »

As a cyclist myself - on dry calm days - and a driver any other day i really am amazed at the disregard for their own lives that most cyclists have in Dublin.
Its unbelievable the amount of cyclists lives I save in the mornings when im driving in Dublin city, despite their best efforts to die.

.......eh, thanks, I think

CramCycle · 17-07-2014 11:44PM

As a driver myself - on dry calm days - and a cyclist any other day i really am amazed at the disregard for their own conscience that most driver's have in Dublin.
Its unbelievable the amount of drivers conscience I save in the mornings when im cycling in Dublin city, despite their best efforts to kill a person due to lack of observation and basic inability to follow the simplest common sense rules from the road traffic act.

Dredd_J · 17-07-2014 11:45PM

Jawgap wrote: »

.......eh, thanks, I think

I dont believe you dont notice it yourself.
Its like a fukin obstacle course of idiots in the city center in the mornings.
Even when on the bike, its hard to avoid the idiots.
Id say a good 50% of cyclists on their morning commute are either trying to have an accident, dont know how to cycle safely or are just idiots.

Jawgap · 17-07-2014 11:49PM

Dredd_J wrote: »

I dont believe you dont notice it yourself.
Its like a fukin obstacle course of idiots in the city center in the mornings.
Even when on the bike, its hard to avoid the idiots.
Id say a good 50% of cyclists on their morning commute are either trying to have an accident, dont know how to cycle safely or are just idiots.

Well, as I said thanks.

I'm glad you've got my back.......

......carry on the good work, I suppose. Keep us safe from the Dark Judges, Joe.

CramCycle · 17-07-2014 11:54PM

Dredd_J wrote: »

Even when on the bike, its hard to avoid the idiots.
Id say a good 50% of cyclists on their morning commute are either trying to have an accident, dont know how to cycle safely or are just idiots.

Your missing the point of why generalisation is wrong. They are not only on bikes, they are walking, they are driving, they are everywhere. It's like invasion of the body snatchers only we know and don't seem to care enough to stop it.

I had a girl walk into me while stopped at a traffic lights, I have seen a car turn on a green light only to stop on the red for the crossing traffic and then look confused as everyone blared the horn at their stupidity, i seen a cyclist fall over at a standstill because he was too stupid to put his feet on the ground.

Idiots are idiots, how they get from a to b, is irrelevant.

blackwhite · 17-07-2014 11:58PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I have seen a car turn on a green light only to stop on the red for the crossing traffic and then look confused as everyone blared the horn at their stupidity,

I've seen this happen a few times, and it's the closest I've come to getting out of my car, dragging another driver from behind the wheel and telling them that they are too stupid to allowed outside unsupervised - never mind put in control of a car.

Dredd_J · 18-07-2014 12:01AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Your missing the point of why generalisation is wrong. They are not only on bikes, they are walking, they are driving, they are everywhere. It's like invasion of the body snatchers only we know and don't seem to care enough to stop it.

I had a girl walk into me while stopped at a traffic lights, I have seen a car turn on a green light only to stop on the red for the crossing traffic and then look confused as everyone blared the horn at their stupidity, i seen a cyclist fall over at a standstill because he was too stupid to put his feet on the ground.

Idiots are idiots, how they get from a to b, is irrelevant.

I was actually referring to cyclists, because of the thread title.
And cyclists are the most likely to be seriously injured, or even killed because of their own stupidity.

eeeee · 18-07-2014 12:07AM

Dredd_J wrote: »

I was actually referring to cyclists, because of the thread title.
And cyclists are the most likely to be seriously injured, or even killed because of their own stupidity.

To date 42 drives have been killed this year. 8 Cyclists have died in the same time frame. Your statement is simply not true. Cycling is not an inherently dangerous activity. Yes the cyclist is invariably going to come off worst in a cyclist v car situation, but when you consider the ire poured upon cyclists by motorists, it just does not compare to the amount of accidents, fatal, serious and otherwise between motorists of various forms, yet they are not vilified the same. I can't understand why?

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=10816&Lang=1

Jawgap · 18-07-2014 12:09AM

Dredd_J wrote: »

I was actually referring to cyclists, because of the thread title.
And cyclists are the most likely to be seriously injured, or even killed because of their own stupidity.

Really? because it seems to me most weekends single vehicle collisions kill someone, and in many cases speed is a contributory factor, in fact according to the RSA......

Of all fatalities and serious injuries recorded between 1997 and 2011, speed was a contributory factor in 22% of fatalities and in 19% of serious injuries.

......but I suppose some people don't regard speeding as stupid.

Pinch Flat · 18-07-2014 12:11AM

Dredd_J wrote: »

Its unbelievable the amount of cyclists lives I save in the mornings when im driving in Dublin city, despite their best efforts to die.

Ah cheers. So you're the one.

CramCycle · 18-07-2014 12:14AM

Dredd_J wrote: »

I was actually referring to cyclists, because of the thread title.
And cyclists are the most likely to be seriously injured, or even killed because of their own stupidity.

I am of the firm belief that 90% of Irish road users are the most reactive and safest in the world. 5% are OK and the rest are so stupid that the fact that they survive and procreate is proof that Darwinism is a crock of sh1t. It's that 90% that mean statistically Ireland is one of the safest countries to cycle in, in Europe. It's the 90% of cyclists who swerve out of the way of unobservant morons, the 90% of motorists who realise that moron will turn the other way to where he is indicating or just that he will change lanes without prior warning or reason.

Don't hate motorists.

Don't hate cyclists.

But don't be peace loving hippies either.

Channel your hate.

Just despise morons and ignoramì.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 18-07-2014 12:34AM

gadetra wrote: »

To date 42 drives have been killed this year. 8 Cyclists have died in the same time frame. Your statement is simply not true. Cycling is not an inherently dangerous activity. Yes the cyclist is invariably going to come off worst in a cyclist v car situation, but when you consider the ire poured upon cyclists by motorists, it just does not compare to the amount of accidents, fatal, serious and otherwise between motorists of various forms, yet they are not vilified the same. I can't understand why?

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=10816&Lang=1

Numbers are nothing, ratios are everything. Just saying...

endacl · 18-07-2014 12:36AM

Dredd_J wrote: »

And cyclists are the most likely to be seriously injured, or even killed because of their own stupidity.

Nah. That'd be BASE jumpers.

Spook_ie · 18-07-2014 12:57AM

papu wrote: »

Are they not pedestrian controlled machines? as would be skateboards , rollerblades , scooters and waveboards...

You're saying we should tax them all.. tax everyone..

But are they "damn cyclists " as the topic is about?

Personally though, no I wouldn't be in favor of taxing wheelchairs seeing as most of the time they're on footpaths likewise I agree with disabled vehicles being exempt from motor tax.

Spook_ie · 18-07-2014 01:00AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I'm with Spooke on this one. So my bike weighs say 9kg, compared to my car which is let's say 1500kg. I pay €200 annum to tax my car based on emissions.

Although my bike or me produces no emissions - I'm sure someone will point out the negligible effect of co2 produced by me huffing and puffing, but let's park that. On the basis of the weight of my bike and the wear and tear it caused by sheer weight alone, I'm willing to tax it proportionally to the weight of my car which works out about €1 annually.

Where do I send my cheque?

Glad you agree in principle, the flat rate for pedestrian controlled vehicles is around €90, so let's leave it at the same price :-)

dubscottie · 18-07-2014 01:05AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Just despise morons and ignoramì.

Which is what the majority of cyclists are.. morons and ignoramus. Most of the cycling posts should be on the "Most self entitled thing you ever saw" thread.

The double standards are shocking and it is a culture amongst cyclists.

A recent RTA death involving a cyclist. Cyclists pointed the blame at the HGV driver. Why was the cyclist there in the first place?

It is Illegal for anyone to undertake a vehicle that is indicating to turn left.

You all claim to be road savvy but 99% either forget the Road Traffic Act or don't know it. (the rules of the road book is not the law BTW)

The cycling forum is full of "I had a near miss, should I report it" threads.

As a road user that has to put up with the dangerous (and often illegal) manoeuvres of cyclists, How are we to identify the cyclists?

And I am sure all the cyclist know that cycling 2 abrest is illegal when you are holding up traffic.. (Its in the RTA statute.ie)

But I am sure I will get cyclists saying wrong, wrong , wrong..

We have the right to to blah..

Pinch Flat · 18-07-2014 01:14AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Glad you agree in principle, the flat rate for pedestrian controlled vehicles is around €90, so let's leave it at the same price :-)

Ah no fair is fair. Zero emissions (bar the odd fart) means zero tax. Ok I was being unreasonable - will up my offer by 50% to €1.50. While I'm at it I'd also like a rebate on the 5 days a week I keep my car off the road.

Its probably been pointed out to you before, but there are quite a few vehicles pay zero motor tax including Garda, emergency, diplomatic, road sweepers. Taxi drivers also pay very little motor tax. So why are cyclists singled out as the group who should pay when they cause very little wear and tear on the roads , emit zero emissions and actively remove road vehicles from the queue of cars into the city?

Spook_ie · 18-07-2014 01:34AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Ah no fair is fair. Zero emissions (bar the odd fart) means zero tax. Ok I was being unreasonable - will up my offer by 50% to €1.50. While I'm at it I'd also like a rebate on the 5 days a week I keep my car off the road.

Its probably been pointed out to you before, but there are quite a few vehicles pay zero motor tax including Garda, emergency, diplomatic, road sweepers. Taxi drivers also pay very little motor tax. So why are cyclists singled out as the group who should pay when they cause very little wear and tear on the roads , emit zero emissions and actively remove road vehicles from the queue of cars into the city?

I don't think the pedestrian controlled vehicles that are subject to taxation do much damage either but they still pay €88 I think that would be an equitable fee for cyclists,after all they could then pay it to the local government fund (as does motor tax) and use it to keep cycle lanes in good repair

endacl · 18-07-2014 01:38AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

I don't think the pedestrian controlled vehicles that are subject to taxation do much damage either but they still pay €88 I think that would be an equitable fee for cyclists,after all they could then pay it to the local government fund (as does motor tax) and use it to keep cycle lanes in good repair

Damn right! Feckin' freeloaders!

:mad:

Snake · 18-07-2014 01:42AM

Some cyclists are dangerous. I saw two the other day in the City Centre just roll in a front of a fast moving bus, that is not how you use your bike safely.

dubscottie · 18-07-2014 02:09AM

My question about the little stop lights still goes un answered.. Is the lights uncomfortable for you? Now that there is no excuse for going through red lights?

Now they have little red cycles telling you to STOP!

DDC put them up for your benefit! So observe them!

Tarzana · 18-07-2014 03:06AM

cournioni wrote: »

Driving on my way home last night at traffic lights at a T-Junction on a one way two laned street (one going left, one right onto a two way street). I waited as usual at the lights, turning right onto the two way street. Light turns green and two cyclists (both without helmets) went straight through their red light and into my path. I lay into the horn, one of the cyclists looked visibly shook and the other laughed while both of then cycled across two lanes of traffic who obviously had the right of way.

Infuriating.

And the same thing happened to me not so long ago, except the person breaking the light was a motorist and I was the cyclist.

dubscottie · 18-07-2014 03:17AM

Tarzana wrote: »

And the same thing happened to me not so long ago, except the person breaking the light was a motorist and I was the cyclist.

Cyclists have the right of way in all situations don't they?

Red lights, pedestrian crossings, cycling round blind bends on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic while doing one of your "races" up the Dublin/Wicklow mountains… I could go on..

This thread (not aimed at you Tarzana) is why people hate cyclists.. Look at the replies from the cyclists.. You can do no wrong. You are all experts on the rules of the road (but not one of you seems to know the road traffic act which is the law) Every thing bad that happens is not your fault, It is down to some motorist, and you try to justify it by some bull**** response attacking the poster that asks questions, but never answering the question about your actions..

Tarzana · 18-07-2014 04:05AM

dubscottie wrote: »

Cyclists have the right of way in all situations don't they?

Red lights, pedestrian crossings, cycling round blind bends on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic while doing one of your "races" up the Dublin/Wicklow mountains… I could go on..

This thread (not aimed at you Tarzana) is why people hate cyclists.. Look at the replies from the cyclists.. You can do no wrong. You are all experts on the rules of the road (but not one of you seems to know the road traffic act which is the law) Every thing bad that happens is not your fault, It is down to some motorist, and you try to justify it by some bull**** response attacking the poster that asks questions, but never answering the question about your actions..

What happened in my post was 100% the motorist's fault. In my example, yup, I did have right of way. She ran a red light and at some speed too. Not sure how you extrapolated from that that I think cyclists always have right of way.

My reason for bringing it up was to show that cyclists, motorists and pedestrians make errors.

dubscottie · 18-07-2014 04:15AM

Tarzana wrote: »

What happened in my post was 100% the motorist's fault. In my example, yup, I did have right of way. She ran a red light and at some speed too. Not sure how you extrapolated from that that I think cyclists always have right of way. My reason for bringing it up was to show that cyclists, motorists and pedestrians make errors.

As I said.. Not aimed at you.. But over the 40 odd pages in this thread, there is a theme going with regards to the responses from cyclists.

Canis Lupus · 18-07-2014 04:34AM

dubscottie wrote: »

As I said.. Not aimed at you.. But over the 40 odd pages in this thread, there is a theme going with regards to the responses from cyclists.

The theme being that some road users are arseholes? 5 mins in the dashcam thread in motors.

This one is great because the car driver that posted it thought he was overtaken incorrectly on the roundabout....

Now of course I could be like you and as a result of these videos say that all drivers are terrible or I could just say some roadusers are morons be they on 4 wheels or 2.

Tarzana · 18-07-2014 04:45AM

dubscottie wrote: »

As I said.. Not aimed at you.. But over the 40 odd pages in this thread, there is a theme going with regards to the responses from cyclists.

Any inkling why cyclists might be so defensive?

dubscottie · 18-07-2014 05:45AM

Tarzana wrote: »

Any inkling why cyclists might be so defensive?

Because they think they have a right to do what they want and to hell with the law.. That is it.. You just have to look at that knob on youtube from Dublin that thinks he is a Garda or any other similar videos.

I am a Motorcyclist.. I am at more of a risk or injury etc that cyclists, but do you see me going through red lights when the little green man is showing or acting like a prick on the road? No. Why?

Because I don't have the same self entitlement complex that cyclists do..

You ride a bike.. Good stuff, here is a medal, now get your heads out your arses and follow the law!

And 1.5 meters is a recommendation NOT a legal requirement..

Those damn cyclists again!

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