Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 03:17PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Respective military strength has nothing to do with it.

Intent has everything to do with it.

Hamas wish to kill Israelis - any Israelis...adults, children, palistinian Israelis, Jews, visiting tourists with every rocket. The fact that the rockets are aimless is just good fortune.

Israel wishes to kill Hamas fighters and disable rocket launch sites and equipment with every missile. It doesn't wish to kill innocent civilians. It avoids launch missiles where innocent casualties are likely. But innocent people (as ever in these circumstances) still get killed.

It's all about intent.

One of the most naive posts I have read. A basic Palestinians are bad Isreali are good post.

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 05:11PM

Do people genuinely think that the weapons, funds, resources at your disposal as well as the army you're up against doesn't influence your tactics? Hamas fire rockets because they cannot win a direct conflict against the IDF. Some people also say that intent to kill is another issue and that one side intends to kill one type of people and the other side is indiscriminate. Can someone explain to me exactly how intent makes any difference when both sides launches airstrikes or rocket attacks against each other?

biko · 13-07-2014 05:18PM

Tbh, I don't know what about the Israel - Palestinian conflict get people's attention so much.
It's one of the least deadly current conflicts but gets most traction by the lefties.

Lefties tend to choose easy conflicts where the newspapers can give them a clear enemy. African or Asian conflicts are too complex for the general leftie to get upset about. When was the last time a leftie started a thread anywhere on boards about Nigeria, Sudan or Burma?

"Choose your battles" indeed...

Nodin · 13-07-2014 05:23PM

biko wrote: »

Tbh, I don't know what about the Israel - Palestinian conflict get people's attention so much.
It's one of the least deadly current conflicts but gets most traction by the lefties.

Lefties tend to choose easy conflicts where the newspapers can give them a clear enemy. African or Asian conflicts are too complex for the general leftie to get upset about. When was the last time a leftie started a thread anywhere on boards about Nigeria, Sudan or Burma?

Crass generalisations eh? Lovely stuff.

biko · 13-07-2014 05:27PM

Pardon moi about the generalisations.
When I wrote "lefties" above, I meant "Nodin"

Captain Chaos · 13-07-2014 05:33PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

One of the most naive posts I have read. A basic Palestinians are bad Isreali are good post.

Then why does the IDF spend millions and millions on smart bombs and weapons that can target just these rocket launchers. They could just drop dumb bombs all over the place for much cheaper and less effort but they don't. Hamas set up these launchers in sites with many civilians close by with the intent of making the IDF look bad by targeting them.

Your post looks more naive imo.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 05:34PM

brimal wrote: »

Conveniently forgetting Egypt..

Am i missing something ? i never knew that Egypt was part of Palestine , the home land of the people of gaza , oh wait , that would be the land that Israel stole , and its Israel that is bombiong the **** out of them , Egypt just happens to be neighbours , Israel is the aggressor , Egypt does not need to do nothing ( other than keep looking the other way when the TRAPPED Palestinians smuggle goods via the tunnels )

red herring i am afraid - so cant really forget something that has little or no relevance to the present situation.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 05:39PM

Guillermo Faithful Tractor wrote: »

To another area of IDF operations, and an area not being used as a launch site I guess.

The problem with launch sites is they're highly mobile, often unmanned and regularly in civilian population centers ~ although Gaza doesn't afford the luxury of too many hiding places to attack from.

I've often wondered why there hasn't been loud calls for a UN protection force for the Gaza/Egyptian/Israeli borders ~ I suspect its mostly down to Israeli mistrust of the UN.

come on Guillermo Faithful Tractor - send in the blue berets between Hamass and the IDF and you have south Lebanon circa 1980 all over again - not sure the Irish have the stomach for burying their boys , just so the IDF and Israeli backed groups can use the Irish as target practice

becasue , we all know , it will be the Irish put in the most dangerous positions

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 05:46PM

biko wrote: »

Tbh, I don't know what about the Israel - Palestinian conflict get people's attention so much.
It's one of the least deadly current conflicts but gets most traction by the lefties.

Lefties tend to choose easy conflicts where the newspapers can give them a clear enemy. African or Asian conflicts are too complex for the general leftie to get upset about. When was the last time a leftie started a thread anywhere on boards about Nigeria, Sudan or Burma?

"Choose your battles" indeed...

i have deep concern for this conflict - i feel really sorry for the poor ****ers involved.

i am FAR from a leftist.

can you put up a MOD approved list of conflicts that fit into your narrow view, or you can PM me, and ill gladly widen your horizons on how you dont have to be a "leftie" to care about other conflicts

drivel

Nodin · 13-07-2014 05:47PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i have deep concern for this conflict - i feel really sorry for the poor ****ers involved.

i am FAR from a leftist.

I'll vouch for that . Neither is Woodoo.

brimal · 13-07-2014 05:48PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

Am i missing something ? i never knew that Egypt was part of Palestine , the home land of the people of gaza , oh wait , that would be the land that Israel stole , and its Israel that is bombiong the **** out of them , Egypt just happens to be neighbours , Israel is the aggressor , Egypt does not need to do nothing ( other than keep looking the other way when the TRAPPED Palestinians smuggle goods via the tunnels )

red herring i am afraid - so cant really forget something that has little or no relevance to the present situation.

Doesn't Egypt have a crossing that they could open permanently, but refuse? Didn't Egypt destroy dozens of tunnels into/out of Gaza recently?

brimal · 13-07-2014 05:51PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

come on Makikomi - send in the blue berets between Hamass and the IDF and you have south Lebanon circa 1980 all over again - not sure the Irish have the stomach for burying their boys , just so the IDF and Israeli backed groups can use the Irish as target practice

becasue , we all know , it will be the Irish put in the most dangerous positions

Absolute rubbish post. You're fanatical at this stage.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 06:10PM

brimal wrote: »

Absolute rubbish post. You're fanatical at this stage.

LOL - ok , im going to stop laughing long enough to type this , how is this fanatical ?

every other time the Irish UN forces have been put between the IDF and either the PLO (as it was in the 70's and 80's) or as it would be Hammas , they have gotten the **** shelled and shoot out of them by Israeli backed forces

its fact , its history , it will happen again if the Irish are put in that position

how in gods name is that fanatical ? FFS , makikomi , fancy giving your opinion on my statement , seeing you have a "slight" more insight into this

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 06:13PM

brimal wrote: »

Doesn't Egypt have a crossing that they could open permanently, but refuse? Didn't Egypt destroy dozens of tunnels into/out of Gaza recently?

they do and they did , but again , how is Egypt going to sort this out , not their fight.
as far as i know , they have been the ONLY nation in the past doing **** all TBH

i fully understand why they don't open the gates - becasue as soon as the Palestinians from Gaza flood across , the IDF will fill the vacuum and take Gaza.

Sound of Silence · 13-07-2014 06:17PM

biko wrote: »

Tbh, I don't know what about the Israel - Palestinian conflict get people's attention so much.
It's one of the least deadly current conflicts but gets most traction by the lefties.

Lefties tend to choose easy conflicts where the newspapers can give them a clear enemy. African or Asian conflicts are too complex for the general leftie to get upset about. When was the last time a leftie started a thread anywhere on boards about Nigeria, Sudan or Burma?

"Choose your battles" indeed...

The Christian-Right are just as involved in this debate as the Left.

I don't know of any African Conflicts which happen to take place in areas of any sort of Religious or Spiritual relevance for the average Westerner, never-mind an area which just so happens to be the literal and geographical epicentre for almost all of the world's largest religions. There's a reason why Israel is such a buzz topic in America - it's because, for a significant portion of the population, what happens in Israel essentially equates to the fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. The detractors then arrive into the debates to face off with the fundamentalists, and then we have the inevitable cluster**** that is Israel threads, where the worlds of dogma, politics and morality collide in a horrible way.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 06:19PM

Sound of Silence wrote: »

The Christian-Right are just as involved in this debate as the Left.

I don't know of any African Conflicts which happen to take place in areas of any sort of Religious or Spiritual relevance for the average Westerner, never-mind an area which just so happens to be the literal and geographical epicentre for almost all of the world's largest religions. There's a reason why Israel is such a buzz topic in America - it's because, for a significant portion of the population, what happens in Israel essentially equates to the fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. The detractors then arrive into the debates to face off with the fundamentalists, and then we have the inevitable cluster**** that is Israel threads, where the worlds of dogma, politics and morality collide in a horrible way.

just like it is on the ground :mad:

The Aussie · 13-07-2014 06:20PM

biko wrote: »

"Choose your battles" indeed...

My favourite Leftyism is the advocation of violence if it suits your agenda, a rather quaint ideal...

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 06:24PM

The Aussie wrote: »

My favourite Leftyism is the advocation of violence if it suits your agenda, a rather quaint ideal...

so you have to be left leaning to have a opinion on Gaza , and a pro Palestine opinion ???

i never knew that , must immediately change my world outlook so
TIL

Sound of Silence · 13-07-2014 06:33PM

The Aussie wrote: »

My favourite Leftyism is the advocation of violence if it suits your agenda, a rather quaint ideal...

You don't have to be a leftist to advocate for violence if it suits your agenda. Not all leftists are Pacifists, and not all Pacifists are Leftists.

Source: All of Human History

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 06:33PM

biko wrote: »

Tbh, I don't know what about the Israel - Palestinian conflict get people's attention so much.
It's one of the least deadly current conflicts but gets most traction by the lefties.

Lefties tend to choose easy conflicts where the newspapers can give them a clear enemy. African or Asian conflicts are too complex for the general leftie to get upset about. When was the last time a leftie started a thread anywhere on boards about Nigeria, Sudan or Burma?

"Choose your battles" indeed...

People are dying on both sides of this conflict and by your reasoning anyone interested in resolution is something called a leftie. You can't expect to be taken seriously when you use a term such as that can you?

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 06:43PM

Can anyone define a leftie or is it something people use in the absence of a cogent argument? Seriously I would love to know what it means.

mad muffin · 13-07-2014 06:44PM

Gareth who now?

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 06:51PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Can anyone define a leftie or is it something people use in the absence of a cogent argument? Seriously I would love to know what it means.

As far as i can grasp from AH - a leftie is a unwashed , dole scrounging rabble rouser , who will protest at the drop of a hat , signed up to every union available , have beards , women included , and is waiting for the soviet union re boot to sell their souls to stalins robotic ghost , hates america , white people and anyone with more than 20.43 euro available at any one time

am i missing anything ?

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 06:55PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

As far as i can grasp from AH - a leftie is a unwashed , dole scrounging rabble rouser , who will protest at the drop of a hat , signed up to every union available , have beards , women included , and is waiting for the soviet union re boot to sell their souls to stalins robotic ghost , hates america , white people and anyone with more than 20.43 euro available at any one time

am i missing anything ?

No you're not. As I thought it is a term used by someone who cannot make a cogent argument relative to the situation.

brimal · 13-07-2014 06:57PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

come on Makikomi - send in the blue berets between Hamass and the IDF and you have south Lebanon circa 1980 all over again - not sure the Irish have the stomach for burying their boys , just so the IDF and Israeli backed groups can use the Irish as target practice

dj jarvis wrote: »

every other time the Irish UN forces have been put between the IDF and either the PLO (as it was in the 70's and 80's) or as it would be Hammas , they have gotten the **** shelled and shoot out of them by Israeli backed forces

its fact , its history , it will happen again if the Irish are put in that position

I'm well aware of the history of Irish troops over here, but your posts on this subject are nothing but fanatical, emotive rubbish.

The Aussie · 13-07-2014 06:59PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

As far as i can grasp from AH - a leftie is a unwashed , dole scrounging rabble rouser , who will protest at the drop of a hat , signed up to every union available , have beards , women included , and is waiting for the soviet union re boot to sell their souls to stalins robotic ghost , hates america , white people and anyone with more than 20.43 euro available at any one time

am i missing anything ?

You mean they were Chicks I saw at the Occupy disaster that the usual rent a crowd turned up at...

Well #LOL@THEM

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 07:00PM

The Aussie wrote: »

You mean they were Chicks I saw at the Occupy disaster that the usual rent a crowd turned up at...

Well #LOL@THEM

The Aussie we're not children or stupid people please feel free to use an intelligent argument instead of words like LOL, ROFL or LMAO.

dj jarvis · 13-07-2014 07:01PM

brimal wrote: »

I'm well aware of the history of Irish troops over here, but your posts on this subject are nothing but fanatical, emotive rubbish.

whatever - fact is fact , history is history

prove me wrong - did the Israeli forces in south Lebanon not shoot and launch artillery barrages at Irish troops , repeatedly ?

i think i am right in thinking , that more Irish troops have been killed by Israeli backed forces than any other conflict we have been sent to police for the UN

or i could just be a krazy fanatic :rolleyes:

and yes , ill give you emotive - i kinda get that way when kids are getting thier faces blown off by IDF , im kind kookie that way

The Aussie · 13-07-2014 07:09PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The Aussie we're not children or stupid people please feel free to use an intelligent argument instead of words like LOL, ROFL or LMAO.

I figured seemingly that you seemed to have a "word for the Day" that I was dealing with the usual...

Do you think you can fit Cogent Argument into any more replies...

steddyeddy · 13-07-2014 07:12PM

The Aussie wrote: »

I figured seemingly that you seemed to have a "word for the Day" that I was dealing with the usual...

Do you think you can fit Cogent Argument into any more replies...

I have fit a cogent argument into all my replies.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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