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Docked or not??

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  • #32
    Invincible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭Invincible


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    They were only born last night lad. Was asking for when I'm selling them. Probably go with docked.

    What part of the country are you in?


  • #33
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    maggiepip wrote: »
    You'll need to get a vet to do that then or you're breaking the law. I would also imagine you may need some paperwork from the vet to prove it was a legal docking.
    Veterinary council have instructed all vets not to dock tails at present (except in cases with trauma).


  • #34
    maggiepip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    Capercaille wrote: »
    Veterinary council have instructed all vets not to dock tails at present (except in cases with trauma).

    If thats the case he wont be able to dock his pups tails, because a layperson certainly isnt allowed. I thought vets now had to dock working dogs tails in order to prevent the likes of idiots making a complete mess of it?


  • #35
    Jimy1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Jimy1971


    Invincible wrote: »
    What part of the country are you in?

    Offaly


  • #36
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    Offaly
    Are u going to regester the pups if yes then it going to be a tough one, If your not then here is what i do, I get a jar of honey and a cotton bud i dip the bud in the honey then dab a bit on the tail of the pup when it's 4 days old i do this for 5 days the bitch lickes the honey and on the fifth day the tail falls off . Great trick works all the time.


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  • #37
    maggiepip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    snipe49 wrote: »
    Are u going to regester the pups if yes then it going to be a tough one, If your not then here is what i do, I get a jar of honey and a cotton bud i dip the bud in the honey then dab a bit on the tail of the pup when it's 4 days old i do this for 5 days the bitch lickes the honey and on the fifth day the tail falls off . Great trick works all the time.


    I hope someone reports you
    PS I am aware that thats probably not the whole truth.

    http://www.ispca.ie/news/view/docking_of_dogs_tails

    http://www.pets.ie/pet_talk/ispca-rescues-litter-puppies-illegally-docked-tails/


  • #38
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    maggiepip wrote: »
    I hope someone reports you
    PS I am aware that thats probably not the whole truth.

    http://www.ispca.ie/news/view/docking_of_dogs_tails

    http://www.pets.ie/pet_talk/ispca-rescues-litter-puppies-illegally-docked-tails/
    Look here HONEY. is good for dog as well as humans. :)


  • #39
    WalkingDude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭WalkingDude


    The PROHIBITION ON TAIL DOCKING AND DEW CLAW REMOVAL (DOGS) REGULATIONS 2014 which are in force since March 6th make it illegal to dock pup's tails or remove dew claws. There are exceptions allowing for vets to dock the tails of certain breeds under 8 days of age if those pups are to be involved in hunting.

    BUT, Veterinary Ireland have banned their members from performing the procedure unless there is a valid reason to do so. And they don't believe that there is evidence to support the argument that docking prevents future injuries. So they should only remove tails if there is already an injury.

    So, if your vet was to do it, they'd be running the risk of being struck off. If you were to do it and were found out, you would be prosecuted for cruelty and could be banned from keeping dogs altogether.

    The IKC won't register pups if they know they're docked and they won't allow docked dogs to compete in their shows.


  • #40
    maggiepip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    WalkingDude wrote: »
    The PROHIBITION ON TAIL DOCKING AND DEW CLAW REMOVAL (DOGS) REGULATIONS 2014 which are in force since March 6th make it illegal to dock pup's tails or remove dew claws. There are exceptions allowing for vets to dock the tails of certain breeds under 8 days of age if those pups are to be involved in hunting.

    BUT, Veterinary Ireland have banned their members from performing the procedure unless there is a valid reason to do so. And they don't believe that there is evidence to support the argument that docking prevents future injuries. So they should only remove tails if there is already an injury.

    So, if your vet was to do it, they'd be running the risk of being struck off. If you were to do it and were found out, you would be prosecuted for cruelty and could be banned from keeping dogs altogether.

    The IKC won't register pups if they know they're docked and they won't allow docked dogs to compete in their shows.

    Thank you for clarifying that.


  • #41
    Jimy1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Jimy1971


    So am I reading this right? If my pups are to be used for hunting, which they will,, then it's ok to have them docked under 8 days old???


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  • #42
    snipe49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭snipe49


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    So am I reading this right? If my pups are to be used for hunting, which they will,, then it's ok to have them docked under 8 days old???
    Read what i wrote above pal.


  • #43
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Was at the NARGC meeting with Des last month and he said that they are fighting the case over the tails and that they will win, but at the moment you can not register pups that have tails docked and it is illegal to dock them at the moment.


  • #44
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    snipe49 wrote: »
    Are u going to regester the pups if yes then it going to be a tough one, If your not then here is what i do, I get a jar of honey and a cotton bud i dip the bud in the honey then dab a bit on the tail of the pup when it's 4 days old i do this for 5 days the bitch lickes the honey and on the fifth day the tail falls off . Great trick works all the time.
    That's cruel. You would be better just chopping the tail off.


  • #45
    Kiltris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Kiltris


    How many of ye have a springer with a full tail?


  • #46
    donacarney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭donacarney


    I've a springer with papers and would rather dock the tails and not register the pups, than have them with long tails,that's just my opinion. Maybe others think the same, so kennell club will be the ones missing out.


  • #47
    Jimy1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Jimy1971


    My bitch has about 4 inches docked off the end of her tail and has never cut it no matter how thick the cover she goes through so that's what I was going to do with her pups. Unsure now what to do. Would hate to let her breeding line stop by not registering her pups. Strong Monalue and Badgercourt.


  • #48
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    donacarney wrote: »
    I've a springer with papers and would rather dock the tails and not register the pups, than have them with long tails,that's just my opinion. Maybe others think the same, so kennell club will be the ones missing out.

    Any man hunting dogs will want the tails docked.....simple


  • #49
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    My bitch has about 4 inches docked off the end of her tail and has never cut it no matter how thick the cover she goes through so that's what I was going to do with her pups. Unsure now what to do. Would hate to let her breeding line stop by not registering her pups. Strong Monalue and Badgercourt.

    My bitch is the same, never seen her tail cut, and she would bleed everywhere else ;-)


  • #50
    donacarney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭donacarney


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    My bitch has about 4 inches docked off the end of her tail and has never cut it no matter how thick the cover she goes through so that's what I was going to do with her pups. Unsure now what to do. Would hate to let her breeding line stop by not registering her pups. Strong Monalue and Badgercourt.

    If they were docked how is the kennel club going to know,
    but like the last lad said most hunting lads want ter dogs tail docked.


  • #51
    Jimy1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Jimy1971


    Yeah I hear you but if I take a pup with a docked tail to a vet to be chipped prior to registering, can I be reported?


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  • #52
    WalkingDude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭WalkingDude


    The law allows for vets to dock the tails of pups of hunting breeds before the age of 8 days. But their governing body doesn't permit them to do it.
    It is illegal for lay people to perform a "procedure which involves interference with, or the removal of, the sensitive tissue or the bone structure of the animal".
    So, unless the veterinary profession change their stance, it will remain impossible to have pups docked lawfully.
    And a vet (or anybody else) can report a pup that they believe was docked illegally.


  • #53
    maggiepip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    Yeah I hear you but if I take a pup with a docked tail to a vet to be chipped prior to registering, can I be reported?

    Yes.


  • #54
    Jimy1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Jimy1971


    I've decided not to dock, not worth the headache. Thanks lads.


  • #55
    RSO1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭RSO1


    Might be for the best lad.


  • #56
    TriggerPL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭TriggerPL


    Jimy1971 wrote: »
    I've decided not to dock, not worth the headache. Thanks lads.

    Mate personally I think ur mad, u will find them impossible to sell !


  • #57
    garyc007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭garyc007


    its not hard done lad,it doesnt bother me but as trigger says it will effect the price,my bitch wasnt done and has turned out great, but i bought her cheap for partly the same reason


  • #58
    zeevalentino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭zeevalentino


    I'd love to see a poll on this particular subject.
    Personally I would not purchase one that was n't docked.
    Just an opinion.


  • #59
    maggiepip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    zeevalentino wrote: »
    I'd love to see a poll on this particular subject.
    Personally I would not purchase one that was n't docked.
    Just an opinion.

    What part of illegal dont you understand? Its a new law and any layperson who docks is open to prosecution. Its breaking the law now!!!!!


  • #60
    garyc007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭garyc007


    thanks for your input maggie


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  • #61
    270WIN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭270WIN


    Sure a lot of springers/cocker pups are born now with three quarter length tails! I had a litter of springers last year and lo and behold they were all born with short tails!!


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