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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Sure there was an agreement and the agreement was not respected, I think this is the point the residents Association are trying to make and the council have backed them up fully.

    Stop right there. It has been shown that there are at least seven resident associations I must ask you to pick the one or ones you want to represent in your statements and comments.

    From now on we must insist on naming the PARTICULAR association or collective involved.

    Thanks,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    And the potential removal of unelected officials too. We supposedly elect a City Council only they are driven roughshod by an unelected person.

    I'd rather an unelected but qualified person making the decisions as opposed to elected people who don't have any experience in the field and who's main agenda is to get votes at the next election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Pingi


    When are we likey to find out if the Fri-Sun are going ahead? Theres something id like to go to in the UK that weekend if they"re not. Hope they hurry up deciding. Have promised my spare room and couch to family and wouldnt leave them down if he is playing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    I'd rather an unelected but qualified person making the decisions as opposed to elected people who don't have any experience in the field and who's main agenda is to get votes at the next election.

    Agreed, in fact, we don't need a government at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Stop right there. It has been shown that there are at least seven resident associations I must ask you to pick the one or ones you want to represent in your statements and comments.

    From now on we must insist on naming the PARTICULAR association or collective involved.

    Thanks,

    Whichever one was a signatory to the agreement that the GAA entered into that limited the facility to hosting 3 concerts during the summer.

    A resident has gone to the High Court this afternoon to seek an injunction preventing ALL five concerts:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/fresh-legal-challenge-to-stop-all-the-garth-brooks-concerts-30412313.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    BS. They can make a statement any time they like. Quite easy for them to announce that they wouldn't be allowing any more concerts in Croker after allowing 3 1D gigs. The initial application was lodged in April in any case and they could have blown it out then (and should have if they were intent on sticking to their own 'guidelines').

    It's a 10 week process. I'm quite happy that they took their time, examined the pros and cons of each side and took the expertise from all the qualified experts from the relevant departments before making a decision. I'd much prefer that to making a rash decision after a few days without consulting with anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Pingi wrote: »
    When are we likey to find out if the Fri-Sun are going ahead? Theres something id like to go to in the UK that weekend if they"re not. Hope they hurry up deciding. Have promised my spare room and couch to family and wouldnt leave them down if he is playing.

    Brooks cancelled his statement due today and is now announcing his plans on Thursday.

    But keep your ears open, things changed by the hour for a time today already.

    If it were me, I'd pack my bag, hope for many that I'm wrong tbh, but it's gone way beyond the typical Irish farcsicalness, if I were Brooks, I'd not only walk I'd run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Agreed, in fact, we don't need a government at all.

    Ha ha, Sometimes I agree with that. Wasn't the only person in the last FF/Greens cabinet with business experience one of the Greens who ran a bike shop? And we wonder why the country was ruined?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Whichever one was a signatory to the agreement that the GAA entered into that limited the facility to hosting 3 concerts during the summer.

    A resident has gone to the High Court this afternoon to seek an injunction preventing ALL five concerts:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/fresh-legal-challenge-to-stop-all-the-garth-brooks-concerts-30412313.html

    Absolutely and now that we are in a legal field, we need to name the association we represent, if so representing them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    I'd rather an unelected but qualified person making the decisions as opposed to elected people who don't have any experience in the field and who's main agenda is to get votes at the next election.

    it is a dangerous path to go down having an unaccountable person making desisions


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    it is a dangerous path to go down having an unaccountable person making desisions

    To be fair, you're probably right on some sense. And I'm no fan of Keegan (too anti car for my liking) but what I do like about him is that he doesn't get bullied into making popular decisions.

    And even though his is the final say and his name goes at the bottom of the licence, he does have a team around him who input into the process as well so there is some accountability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    around him who input into the process as well so there is some accountability.

    If it's anything like my civil management team, they are like a clone of Spock speaking without emotion, feeling or involvement outside the question they were asked to solve, ie no consequences considered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    This post has been deleted.

    The Dublin City manager or all City Managers?

    Not sure of that, I don't think that is right, but I don't know.

    However, what I do know is thus: if a council does not pass an estimate as example, executive authority is enforced and the usual procedure is to appoint the City Manager the Chief Executive and he runs the City or County as the Mayor under direct control from government and he assumes the powers of the mayor, as in Cork he can command the Irish Navy ~ makes a potentially very powerful man.

    In any City Council the City Manager can overrule by executive order [without getting Chief Executive and staying the City Manager].


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Picture-381.png

    He's one of these lads I assume? The one with the grey beard is the chap I'd associate with it, fairly sure he was on tv3 and rte.

    Yup the second man on the left is the one that's familiar to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Brooks cancelled his statement due today and is now announcing his plans on Thursday.

    But keep your ears open, things changed by the hour for a time today already.

    If it were me, I'd pack my bag, hope for many that I'm wrong tbh, but it's gone way beyond the typical Irish farcsicalness, if I were Brooks, I'd not only walk I'd run.


    What will have changed by Thursday? Decision has been made, the DCC can't revoke it.
    Garth has said it's 5 or none.

    Why is he making another statement? He wouldn't be waiting to see if his brinkmanship(coached by Aitken I'd wager) will pay off, would he by any chance?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1 ro_ho


    Why does the GAA think it is above the law ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    This Brian Duff guy must be some sap


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    What will have changed by Thursday? Decision has been made, the DCC can't revoke it.
    Garth has said it's 5 or none.

    Why is he making another statement? He wouldn't be waiting to see if his brinkmanship(coached by Aitken I'd wager) will pay off, would he by any chance?

    We might have new laws tomorrow. The decision may be removed from the DCC, so they won't have to revoke anything. Garth was due to announce his world tour with Ireland as the jewel in the crown and the showcase for what's next.

    What statement has he made already?

    Pound to a penny Ireland is dropped, and that will be his statement and where he will now have his opening spectacular.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,269 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    We might have new laws tomorrow. The decision may be removed from the DCC, so they won't have to revoke anything. Garth was due to announce his world tour with Ireland as the jewel in the crown and the showcase for what's next.

    What statement has he made already?

    Pound to a penny Ireland is dropped, and that will be his statement and where he will now have his opening spectacular.

    Deal, I'm in for 75 cent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    We might have new laws tomorrow. The decision may be removed from the DCC, so they won't have to revoke anything.
    Where are you getting that from?


    What statement has he made already?
    His '5 or none' one. Aitken said on Saturday radio how, that mean 'none' as the situation stands. And the situation can't change according to DCC.

    So what 'new' is Garth expected to say on Thursday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    So what 'new' is Garth expected to say on Thursday?

    You've already a bet with me on that. Do I have to repeat it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Mr.S wrote: »
    The Thursday thing isn't specific to Ireland, it'l be a new album and a tour.

    Okay...cheers for that clarification.

    He is still waiting to see what effect his threat has though imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Ha ha, Sometimes I agree with that. Wasn't the only person in the last FF/Greens cabinet with business experience one of the Greens who ran a bike shop? And we wonder why the country was ruined?
    Just curious, would you prefer a cabinet of top bankers and ceo's whose main priority would be maximisation of profits in all areas of government?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm no fan of Keegan (too anti car for my liking)


    exactly, anti-car types have no place making decisians for our capital city

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    So what 'new' is Garth expected to say on Thursday?
    I keep telling you all that K-Law 101, Oklahoma's best country station, is first again with the news.

    K-Law 101
    we did get word from Garth and his people, that he would be making a big announcement…on Thursday. The native Oklahoman took to his website early Monday to announce a press conference taking place Thursday at 11am CDT. Many believe it will be the announcement of a new album.....
    .....others are leaning towards a world tour....
    .....maybe he’s set to announce a boycott on Guinness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    You've already a bet with me on that. Do I have to repeat it?

    eh?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Sure there was an agreement and the agreement was not respected, I think this is the point the residents Association are trying to make and the council have backed them up fully.

    I saw footage the other day of a lockdown type situation around Croke Park before the One Direction concert, where residents had a situation whereby private security people, not even Gardai, were enforcing security controls on streets around Croke Park. I'm sure this is normal enough protocol for large scale events like this, but have any of us ever wondered what it would be like to be living with Gaza strip like security controls operating around us? You'd put up with it on some level, but at what point does it start to feel like you are continually under some sort of a siege in your own house?!?

    It seems to me that an agreement was reached and then an agreement was disregarded and the same thing that has caused the ruination of this country and in particular our economy in recent years, namely greed, greed and more fúcking greed, has now been the cause of this debacle, where one organisation appeared to think that it was so well in with the local authority, that the licensing of the event was a mere formality that was as good as in the bag, that the auld nudge and the wink would take care of everything at the end of the day. This is the very same kind of blatant disregard for the planning process in this country, that had shíthole shoebox sized apartments made of glorified cardboard, being thrown up all over the place, some of which have to now be pulled down because they can't even meet the most basic of fire safety regulations.

    We can't have it every which way, we can't criticise public authorities when they are asleep at the wheel and then as we have seen with the banks, all sorts of recklessness ends up going on under their noses because they have failed to enforce the law, but yet then when a local authority tries to impose the law and hold people to it, we decide to have a national shít hemorrhage about it because we stupidly think that our still bamboozled domestic economy in Dublin, needs the money more than the whole country needs to have a regime where the laws of the land actually mean something.

    We can't have it both ways I think.

    The Irish domestic economy has been in a complete heap for the last 6 years, it was destroyed before there was any mention of Garth Brooks coming here, and is still being wrecked through continuing austerity, we have tolerated tens of billions of Euro being taken out of our own pockets by our own government, to pay for failed zombie banks, yet we have a collective nervous breakdown when a local authority tries to fairly apply the law in the face of big business interests in the capital, such as the GAA and the Dublin Chamber of Commerce, when the outcome of that decision is that a concert worth around 50 million Euro to the Dublin economy, (50 million that practically none of us will realistically share in unless we happen to own a hotel or a pub in Dublin), is possibly cancelled or curtailed.

    Also, the emotional blackmail coming from business lobby groups, the "oh look, the world is watching us now, careful there Ted, we don't want to upset the markets or those bondholders again", that are trying to push back a lawful decision that has been made by the proper authorities, I find to be personally sickening. We are not eejits, we have laws and please God if we have learnt anything in the last 10 years, it is that light touch regulation or no regulation at all, has certainly not done us much service.
    Quoted for sense.


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