Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

ardle1 wrote: »

The infrastructure around Croker is grand, who could have fore-seen that the Worlds biggest Entertainment event involving the Worlds Greatest and best selling Artist! That Ireland Dublin Croke Park would have been chosen for this Historical event..... Grab your Stetson Garth we'll be ready and waiting Yeeeeeeeeee-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW

Okay just for the fun of it

1. He's not the worlds greatest and best selling artist - that honour based on record sales goes to the Beatles, he's actually the 15th best (still quite impressive even I'll admit)

2. Worlds biggest entertainment event....erm Woodstock, Live Aid, Olympics, World Cup to name but a few

3. Historical? well it is now anyway. The biggest Entertainment event that never was... I hope the 3 nights still happen by the way - I'm not anti Gareth, just not a fan, more of a Patsy Cline girl myself.

There'll be 3 in a row, then a break of a day and 2 more concerts. This will be a new licence application as the additional 2 will be on different dates. This gets around the fact that the original licence decision can't be changed.

Kaizersoze81 wrote: »

There'll be 3 in a row, then a break of a day and 2 more concerts. This will be a new licence application as the additional 2 will be on different dates. This gets around the fact that the original licence decision can't be changed.

And what gets around the fact that a license has to be applied for 10 weeks in advance?

Kaizersoze81 wrote: »

It will be a fast tracked application. Only posting what I've been hearing.

What your hearing is either bollix or illegal.

hynesie08 wrote: »

What your hearing is either bollix or illegal.

Possibly both, but just thought I'd share it. We should know by Tuesday either way I'd say . I've a feeling that this is too big to stop now, and forces are at play behind the scenes to let it go ahead.

The whiff of desperate hope from some quaters that somehow these 5 gigs will go ahead is truely astonishing.

"It's not the despair, I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand"

ardle1 wrote: »

If your not a Hater or 'concerned' resident, why in Gods name would you not want these concerts to go ahead,
Please tell, we'r all dying to know....
Someone just posted that 'some off their friends had bought tickets' but you still don't want to see the concerts go ahead! Like WTF....

Because the coucil have decided that the licenses shouldn't be granted, And no amount of crying or complaining can change that.

So since this is the case, what sort of rational thinking adult wants this country to go back to the days where backdoor politics and ministers mates getting their way with a wink and a nudge, which is what is happening if this decision gets reversed? Is it worth setting the country back 20 years for a gig?

ardle1 wrote: »

If your not a Hater or 'concerned' resident, why in Gods name would you not want these concerts to go ahead,
Please tell, we'r all dying to know....
Someone just posted that 'some off their friends had bought tickets' but you still don't want to see the concerts go ahead! Like WTF....

Hater? Are you 12 years old??

end of the road wrote: »

breaking a supposed agreement with a few GAA hating extremists is nothing, most of the residents want the concerts it seems as they know the benefits they will bring

How many's most? only about 40 turned out for a protest in favour of the gigs.

JRant wrote: »

I'd say the DBA pulled those numbers from the same place the Anglo boys did, namely their ass.

You're on the money, JR.

Also, nobody seems to be factoring in the amount of money that GB is taking OUT of the country - by my calculations, not less than 10 million euro in his well-upholstered saddlebags.

The economic argument is actually quite nebulous, as if you factor in that most of Brooks' fan base comes from outside Dublin, it just means that money that would usually be in circulation in other parts of Ireland gets spent in the city that weekend, instead of in the pubs, restaurants, theatres, venues, hotels, sports grounds, etc, etc, of their own localities. The only nett national gain is from those flying in from outside the country, but that has to be calculated against what Brooks is taking away with him.

I work in the music business myself myself and have a lot of regard for Peter Aiken, but I also know that the organisers of the Aviva Stadium wouldn't - and indeed couldn't - ride roughshod over the well-heeled and better-connected residents of D4, so 3 concerts is the max that ever go on over there.

Any sympathy I had for Brooks went out the window when he made that petulant and cretinous statement about not playing the original 3 concerts - so he's effectively decided to punish 240,000 of his own fans now to keep his vanity intact!

The last straw for me was when the so-called mediator, Kieran Mulvey, went to the media today saying our international reputation would be in shreds if we don't find a solution. So, in other words, he's not independent at all and came to the discussions with a premeditated result in mind...

In actual fact, a solution has been found in the judgement put forward by Owen Keegan who has assessed the situation and decided that the compromise between the various parties means everyone taking a hit - residents having to endure 3 more nights on top of the agreed 3 (One Direction) of the stadium's original planning permission and Brooks/Aiken/GAA losing 2 of their shows. But, of course, now that someone has actually shown the intellectual independence to adjudicate without fear or favour, a lot of people are suddenly seeking 'light touch regulation' again - anyone listening to Joe Duffy or Sean O'Rourke on RTE on Thursday/Friday would have been worried that they were about to self-immolate, so agitated were they that one man had the audacity to make such a decision - ie, do exactly what he is paid a lot of public money to do...

If Brooks has any regard for his fan base, then he'll do his 3 gigs and come back next year to honour the 2 other shows as part of that World Tour he's planning. If he pulls out of the shows, then he's just the another self-serving, ego-consumed, narcissistic celebrity - the musical equivalent of 'Davos Man' - who is part of the planet's elite 'one per cent' who think the rules are only for the 'little people' - funny how they were all over the radio and TV when the first 2/3 shows sold-out proclaiming the wonder of it all, and now just playing the same 3 shows is apparently a catastrophe!

Yeee O'Haaa, everybody...

Gergiev wrote: »

You're on the money, JR.

Also, nobody seems to be factoring in the amount of money that GB is taking OUT of the country - by my calculations, not less than 10 million euro in his well-upholstered saddlebags.

The economic argument is actually quite nebulous, as if you factor in that most of Brooks' fan base comes from outside Dublin, it just means that money that would usually be in circulation in other parts of Ireland gets spent in the city that weekend, instead of in the pubs, restaurants, theatres, venues, hotels, sports grounds, etc, etc, of their own localities. The only nett national gain is from those flying in from outside the country, but that has to be calculated against what Brooks is taking away with him.

This makes no sense on so many levels. First of all the money Garth is taking out of the country is through ticket sales. Which without him would not exist. And I assure you that he is not taking the full ticket face value, his share is certainly substantial, but nowhere near 100% of the 70 Euros people paid for a ticket, multiplied by 400,000.

There is an absolute net gain to Ireland. Both from the share of ticket sales that will go to the venue and all the workers who get paid to work the gigs. And there will be a lot of those. They will make squat without the shows. There will be further gain from the revenue brought in from people like myself, who will bypass Ireland without these shows. And you can be assured that there are many coming from within Europe. Insult him, like he cares. He has a big enough fanbase there that when he tours Europe in the coming years, every show will sell out, from UK to Germany to Italy.

Whatever, I'm wasting my time talking to you about this anyways. Just wanted to point out how wrong it was in terms of economics, but we can all see how you feel about Garth Brooks, and that is really why you're here I guess.