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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Link?

    Only 3 concerts in 2013

    http://www.avivastadium.ie/what's-on/concerts

    It is unlikely that the permits/agreements are published on the web.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Overheal wrote: »
    I'm not trying to backseat mod! Just asking

    Brooks. I'm just gonna refer to him as Brooks

    Elkie Brooks fan here brah

    You'd wanna tread carefully


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Interesting article here regarding the talks which have gone on over the weekend:
    'Toxic' Croke Park dispute must end says mediator

    A SMALL group of residents living near Croke Park who have an aversion to the GAA are vehemently opposed to any compromise over the future use of the stadium, according to Labour Relations Commission chief executive Kieran Mulvey.

    Mulvey, in his role as a mediator between the GAA and Croke Park residents, had a number of separate meetings with both parties, meeting the residents on four occasions for three hours at a time, and says that while the majority were in favour of compromise over issues going forward, a small group of people who are ill-disposed towards the GAA appeared to want no progress at all. This included the staging of any concerts in the years ahead.

    Mulvey was asked to mediate after a meeting of the GAA and residents broke down over what was described as a complete lack of trust on the part of residents as to how events are organised at the stadium. GAA director-general Páraic Duffy asked Mulvey to intervene with the goal of targeting "long-term agreement around the staging of events at Croke Park".

    Mulvey's report recommended a Garth Brooks legacy fund of €500,000 for the local community which the GAA said they would fund. Mulvey was also critical of the GAA over the Garth Brooks saga, agreeing with residents that five nights was excessive. He said the concerts would have a negative impact on the quality of life of nearby residents. However, he called on all sides to work together.

    "This toxic relationship cannot continue - both parties can spend the next 10 years attacking one another, but that will achieve nothing," Mulvey said. "The fear is there will be no regeneration of Croke Park Villas and no further input from Croke Park itself into the area. So to help gain trust, I recommended that between 2015 and 2016 the GAA would reduce the number of shows to three or less and I thought both parties could work from there." In the region of 400,000 tickets were sold for five Garth Brooks concert dates later this month but with about 27,000 households in the vicinity, there were a number of objections and concersn over those concerts. One problem was that residents made their objections known through different units and associations, rather than under one umbrella.

    "Most residents wanted a compromise but there were some hardliners represented that just wanted no concert ever," Mulvey told the "I think that most residents would have lived with a compromise looking forward and my report certainly identified future arrangements that would be necessary. The report gave a structure and procedure, it put limits on concerts. It recommended that the community would go ahead with the regeneration of the Ballybough Road which is an urban eyesore.

    "To a large degree, the four meetings I had with the residents, aside from my meetings with Croke Park, City Council and the Gardaí were all positive. But I came across a small group of residents and no matter what you did, you wouldn't satisfy them. If you tore down the stadium and gave them all a free brick they would probably complain about the site.

    "I repeat, though, that most residents wanted a deal. I felt that the community group (Croke Park Area Residents Association) that Pat Gates led, for example, recognised that an agreement limiting the number of concerts, limiting the community and nuisance problems would be a positive and my report delivered that.

    "The GAA recognised the need to establish new relations with the locals and Páraic Duffy asked me to identify those. Most residents felt it was a fair report but I saw at first hand that there was also an anti-Croke Park agenda among a few individuals with an antipathy to the GAA. These people kept bringing up the history with Croke Park. I said I would take all that on board, but I added that we simply had to move on. They kept saying: 'We don't trust them. We're never going to trust them'.

    "On an overall basis, with regard to the Brooks concerts and the cancellations, I have to say that no one wins. Not Ireland, not Dublin city, not our businesses and not the Croke Park community either as they might still have three concerts on their doorsteps anyway. The promoters don't win and neither do Croke Park."

    It has emerged that Brooks had plans to produce a high-tech video based on the sell-out shows, which were to be shown on US tv and would have hugely boosted Irish tourism. Special production facilities had been in place for a shoot over five gigs. Meanwhile, the Dublin Chamber of Commerce has said the benefit to the economy will drop from an estimated €50m to €30m as a result of the two concerts being jettisoned.

    With up to 70,000 visitors preparing to jet into Ireland, tourism sources said those people would now meet a country that advertises concerts that they couldn't guarantee. And many of these would not receive refunds for their hotel and booking deposits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,269 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Link?

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/lansdowne-road-gets-planning-green-light-28560.html

    The board said three concerts could take place at the venue, the same number as allowed at Croke Park.

    Matches and concerts will have to be over and the lights off by 11pm, and fans will no longer be able to access the stadium from Havelock Square and O’Connell Gardens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Bambi wrote: »
    Elkie Brooks fan here brah

    You'd wanna tread carefully

    Pearls a singer and she's s fool if she thinks its over.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    International stadium? Explain please.
    croke park is the spiritual home of the world respected and well known GAA, croke park is known all over the world

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,473 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    croke park is the spiritual home of the world respected and well known GAA

    Is that not in Thurles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    croke park is the spiritual home of the world respected and well known GAA, croke park is known all over the world

    Your argument has the same vocal range as a tuning fork.

    They can hold all the GAA events they please, but they need additional permission to hold concerts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    It has emerged that Brooks had plans to produce a high-tech video based on the sell-out shows, which were to be shown on US tv and would have hugely boosted Irish tourism.

    And be seen by industrialist and potential investors as well. IMO, the damage here is already done and any result now, is already tarnished.

    It was probably worth a US OPen in Fota, a Tour de France and two Grand Prix events to the immediate future in Irish interests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    And be seen by industrialist and potential investors as well. IMO, the damage here is already done and any result now, is already tarnished.

    It was probably worth a US OPen in Fota, a Tour de France and two Grand Prix events to the immediate future in Irish interests.

    :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    croke park is the spiritual home of the world respected and well known GAA, croke park is known all over the world

    Yeah in Australia and Canada maybe where there's a shítload of Irish.

    Ain't nobody know of GAA or Croke park in my neck of the words. Which is the home state of your beloved Gareth Brooks. Ain't been no noise about the gigs either except for when he announced a tour going way back before the ticket sales.

    Also don't think you quite know why the term international is used in context of venues or places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,269 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    And be seen by industrialist and potential investors as well. IMO, the damage here is already done and any result now, is already tarnished.

    It was probably worth a US OPen in Fota, a Tour de France and two Grand Prix events to the immediate future in Irish interests.

    Maybe, if they were planning on having the tour de France and the GP's in croker, otherwise no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    How can't they?..the facts are the facts..there was no concerts last year..it's an outdated agreement anyways..croke park must be the only stadium in the world were this would happen..can you imagine how the residents near wembley or the nou camp feel if croke parks residents think they have it bad

    Links to aerial views of all 3 stadia. It's quite clear, to me at least how you can't really compare them, the infrastructure has just not been put in place around Croke Park that the others clearly display, access routes, public transport, adequate parking etc.

    CROKER
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/fd4f0ef0-bd5a-11e0-aa5a-e5a548a3dbdf-croke-park

    NOU CAMP
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/8bf4f5c8-e585-11e0-af09-a71d1219ab1e-camp-nou-fc-barcelona

    WEMBLEY
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/eb5a5652-df22-11e0-b33a-c7d79d2d7fcd-wembley-stadium-london-olympics-2012?hit_num=2&hits=2&page=1&per_page=100&prev=3b782c96-df22-11e0-b40f-83d5770dac9a&search=Wembley+stadium


  • Administrators Posts: 55,079 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Pwindedd wrote: »
    Links to aerial views of all 3 stadia. It's quite clear, to me at least how you can't really compare them, the infrastructure has just not been put in place around Croke Park that the others clearly display, access routes, public transport, adequate parking etc.

    CROKER
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/fd4f0ef0-bd5a-11e0-aa5a-e5a548a3dbdf-croke-park

    NOU CAMP
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/8bf4f5c8-e585-11e0-af09-a71d1219ab1e-camp-nou-fc-barcelona

    WEMBLEY
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/eb5a5652-df22-11e0-b33a-c7d79d2d7fcd-wembley-stadium-london-olympics-2012?hit_num=2&hits=2&page=1&per_page=100&prev=3b782c96-df22-11e0-b40f-83d5770dac9a&search=Wembley+stadium

    To do that they'd have to start knocking down houses.

    As I mentioned earlier in the thread it's the same problem Liverpool have at Anfield - houses are literally right on the doorstep of the stadium. Maybe Croke Park will have to start buying out houses and systematically making the area directly around the stadium an undesirable place to live.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Several business objected to the concerts on the grounds they would have to close for the duration of the gigs, there was one chap on the tv3 news on Thursday. I believe he owned a garage.

    just watched that online there now, he's on one of the roads thats very short road right into an entrance of croke park... gearbox rebuilds etc. i think !

    a few points i want to make.

    The people protesting FOR all 5 of the gigs in the Ballybough area.... they do not live right around the clonliffe road area etc.
    insted they live on the likes of poplar row and north strand in flats ... they dont get affected nor give a feck about the people in the area closer to croke park. i notice one or two of them from delivering them pizza in the middle of the day when i worked for the local dominos... note they dont work etc. and aren't affected by restrictions as there are non into flats !

    also another thing.

    Croke park isint the only one with the limit on concerts - so all of you's that are saying "you knew it would happen living next to croke park and deserve it" you're very wrong.
    The Aviva stadium has a 3 concert limit a year also to care for their area etc.

    also to point out , in accordance to their agreement with croke park should it not only be none or one gig and then thats it for the year ?

    the residents were fine when it was 2 or 3 gigs even PAST their agreement with croke park but when the feckers got greedy and went for five is when people got annoyed.

    Garth brooks coming out and saying 5 or nothing is also very mature... the toys flew out of the pram very quickly there !

    my final point - its very very convenient that as soon as two gigs were refused that Aiken came out and said "oh but we were going to do a documentary on it !"
    was the first anyone had heard of it... possibly said out of spite as when the first gigs were announced that non of this existed !

    anyway im still in favor of the council sticking to their decision of 3. even if it means more toys come out of the pram and he does none as a result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    awec wrote: »
    To do that they'd have to start knocking down houses.

    As I mentioned earlier in the thread it's the same problem Liverpool have at Anfield - houses are literally right on the doorstep of the stadium. Maybe Croke Park will have to start buying out houses and systematically making the area directly around the stadium an undesirable place to live.

    I think this should probably have been thought about then before they expanded - if you can't provide all the facilities a "national" stadium needs, you shouldn't just squeeze one in.

    Anfield is not a concert venue, it's a football ground that has on the very rare occasions held a music event. The residents aren't objecting to a sports ground though. As far as I'm aware, and the comments on this thread tend to back this up, they are completely accepting of all the sporting events, plus 3 non sporting events per year. But I agree it's a tough call, it would be a slow process to buy up the houses and degenerate the area - horrible for the remaining residents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Garth brooks coming out and saying 5 or nothing is also very mature... the toys flew out of the pram very quickly there !

    As with any baby, mother will pick up the toys or buy new ones, we all lose more than Garth, his pride is hurt a bit, his tour might actually be better for it, Ireland will be left with the broken toys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,269 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08



    The people protesting FOR all 5 of the gigs in the Ballybough area.... note they dont work etc.
    That's not true........ I know for a fact one of them sells runners and tracksuits out of a shopping bag around Dorset st.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    That's not true........ I know for a fact one of them sells runners and tracksuits out of a shopping bag around Dorset st.

    which is all the more reason against all 5

    these "people" will try and use this to their advantage to sell "goods" to tourists in and around the stadium.

    they say they want people to visit their local area Ballybough ..... but sorry i've worked in the area delivering food and im afraid of the place after being robbed and offered drugs in the street... and thats what these tourists will see and sure enough we'll be given a ****e name.

    its like i always avoid moore street in Dublin.... because its a kip, scruffy, smelly, unhygenic people trying to see "fresh" food by shouting at you in the street in the worst accent possible. if im a tourist in another country, i do not want any of the above crap in my face..... if i go to new york i will not go and visit The Bronx..... just like when i visit dublin i will not sight see in ballybough.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭ardle1


    Pwindedd wrote: »
    Links to aerial views of all 3 stadia. It's quite clear, to me at least how you can't really compare them, the infrastructure has just not been put in place around Croke Park that the others clearly display, access routes, public transport, adequate parking etc.

    CROKER
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/fd4f0ef0-bd5a-11e0-aa5a-e5a548a3dbdf-croke-park

    NOU CAMP
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/8bf4f5c8-e585-11e0-af09-a71d1219ab1e-camp-nou-fc-barcelona

    WEMBLEY
    http://www.latitudeimage.com/media/eb5a5652-df22-11e0-b33a-c7d79d2d7fcd-wembley-stadium-london-olympics-2012?hit_num=2&hits=2&page=1&per_page=100&prev=3b782c96-df22-11e0-b40f-83d5770dac9a&search=Wembley+stadium

    The infrastructure around Croker is grand, who could have fore-seen that the Worlds biggest Entertainment event involving the Worlds Greatest and best selling Artist! That Ireland Dublin Croke Park would have been chosen for this Historical event..... Grab your Stetson Garth we'll be ready and waiting Yeeeeeeeeee-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    awec wrote: »
    To do that they'd have to start knocking down houses.

    As I mentioned earlier in the thread it's the same problem Liverpool have at Anfield - houses are literally right on the doorstep of the stadium. Maybe Croke Park will have to start buying out houses and systematically making the area directly around the stadium an undesirable place to live.

    Arsenal's Emirates Stadium in North London is also built in a residential area, and has a 76,000 capacity for non-sporting events.

    They sat down with residents a came to an agreement, " curfew of 10:30pm and no more than 3 non-sporting events per year".

    Shockingly they've kept their word and haven't tried to **** over the residents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,269 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    ardle1 wrote: »
    The infrastructure around Croker is grand, who could have fore-seen that the Worlds biggest Entertainment event involving the Worlds Greatest and best selling Artist! That Ireland Dublin Croke Park would have been chosen for this Historical event..... Grab your Stetson Garth we'll be ready and waiting Yeeeeeeeeee-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW
    Do you know what infrastructure is? Cause if so there is no way you would describe crokers as grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    croke park is the spiritual home of the world respected and well known GAA, croke park is known all over the world

    That in no way makes it "international". International would suggest international games being played there (I know they were temporarily, but no more). It's a private, national, sports stadium.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 353 ✭✭discodiva92


    Are the 1st 3 shows going ahead have they confirmed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭ardle1


    Are the 1st 3 shows going ahead have they confirmed?

    Everyone at the moment is expecting 5 not 3!
    so fingers crossed for all concerned, that includes the residents who have now been 'advertising'(most off them anyway)that they would NOT be against all concerts going ahead.... And obviously all 'rules' adhered to there-after


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    ardle1 wrote: »
    Everyone at the moment is expecting 5 not 3!
    so fingers crossed for all concerned, that includes the residents who have now been 'advertising'(most off them anyway)that they would NOT be against all concerts going ahead.... And obviously all 'rules' adhered to there-after
    How, in your opinion, do you anticipate DCC would go about revoking an irrevocable decision?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    ardle1 wrote: »
    Everyone at the moment is expecting 5 not 3!

    No, that's wishful thinking/arrogance on Aiken Promotion's part.

    5 can't go ahead. It will be 3 or nothing.

    I actually hope the 3 do go ahead despite being happy at 2 being rejected.


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