Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 09:41PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

I don't think it is, wait till Tuesday

I can't wait till Tuesday. We'll see if fatboy has the balls to follow through on his threat to cancel the three shows he was granted or not.
If he does it'll be hilarious to watch his followers on here implode!

Overheal · 06-07-2014 09:41PM

Fatboy Slim is a different artist. Can we just keep calling him Garth Brooks?

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 09:45PM

Overheal wrote: »

Fatboy Slim is a different artist. Can we just keep calling him Garth Brooks?

Some have taken to calling him Gareth at this stage, is that okay?

Overheal · 06-07-2014 09:48PM

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Some have taken to calling him Gareth at this stage, is that okay?

I'm not trying to backseat mod! Just asking

Brooks. I'm just gonna refer to him as Brooks

end of the road · 06-07-2014 09:51PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

It is when your planning permission allowed for 3 a year and you made an agreement with the residents in 2009 only to hold 3 a year.
Yeah , that's greed, and arrogance!
Personally I hope none of the concerts go ahead now just to teach the GAA a public lesson in humility!

its 3 before applying for an events licence, any supposed agreement with residents if it exists doesn't matter, if it exists the GAA would have made sure it wasn't legally binding and rightly so

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-07-2014 09:53PM

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I can't wait till Tuesday. We'll see if fatboy has the balls to follow through on his threat to cancel the three shows he was granted or not.
If he does it'll be hilarious to watch his followers on here implode!

... And blame everyone else other that the one person who.made the decision not to play.

In any case, isn't he leaving himself open to breach of contract proceedings if he doesn't?

Overheal · 06-07-2014 09:53PM

end of the road wrote: »

its 3 before applying for an events licence, any supposed agreement with residents if it exists doesn't matter, if it exists the GAA would have made sure it wasn't legally binding and rightly so

Maybe I'm misreading your post, but can this be interpreted as your support for cronyism?

end of the road · 06-07-2014 09:53PM

Grayson wrote: »

So anyone can at any point ignore any private security contractor? Does this include the fans?

if you want, they can do nothing

Paulie1987 · 06-07-2014 09:54PM

Overheal wrote: »

I have no interest in Garth Brooks or his concerts. I do however love to exercise in rational thought and argument; and this thread is rife with irrational, misinformed argument.

Well what about the local businesses that will lose 15 million as a result of the gigs being cancelled..they care..events like this bring tourism, money to the area..would the local area prefer to lose the employment that croke park and the events held there bring..the few local residents that aren't happy are not the only stakeholders in these gigs but you would think they are

Overheal · 06-07-2014 09:54PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... And blame everyone else other that the one person who.made the decision not to play.

In any case, isn't he leaving himself open to breach of contract proceedings if he doesn't?

I would have thought so, if the 3 are green-lit. It is also not at all in his best interest: this is his "Comeback Tour." What a fantastic way to harm your relaunch.

Overheal · 06-07-2014 09:57PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

Well what about the local businesses that will lose 15 million as a result of the gigs being cancelled..they care..events like this bring tourism, money to the area..would the local area prefer to l

I'm not sure why you are raising the point of lost economic activity as a counter-argument. Economic potential is lost every day by the elected choice to forgo activity that is not legally sanctioned; that does not mean that the law will be abandoned to maximize economic potential.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 09:57PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

Well what about the local businesses that will lose 15 million as a result of the gigs being cancelled..they care..events like this bring tourism, money to the area..would the local area prefer to l

If the gigs are cancelled, its because of Garth.

What about the local business who have to close for the duration of the gigs. Are they less important.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 09:57PM

Seen U2 in Twickenham around ten years ago. From what I can recall that was in a residential area as I can recall people selling sandwiches from their front gardens of what seemed like never ending cottages, as we all streamed out of the stadium. Wonder if they have a limit placed on them for how many concerts they can hold per year. Doubt it's anywhere like a measly three, if they do.

end of the road · 06-07-2014 09:59PM

Overheal wrote: »

You conveniently omit statistics for 2014:

Once Direction - May 23rd, 24th, 25th

Garth Brooks - July 25, 26, 27, 28 (TBD), 29 (TBD)

So if anything, this information only supports the idea that the volume of concerts this year, is unprecedented. Averaging 3 concerts a year or less, and those 3 concerts already occurred in May. Now, they want to hold 5 additional concerts.

It's a big jump from 2-3 concerts, to 8.

thats what the international stadium is there for, they may as well make use of it as much as they can

Paulie1987 · 06-07-2014 10:00PM

Overheal wrote: »

How is it outdated? Was an expiration date specified on the agreement? In law, it is common practice for bills to require review after a set number of years, and have set expiration dates on their effect if they are not renewed or amended. Are you saying that was the case here, or are you casually speculating without probable cause?

That is false. This happens in most situations. You have not read the thread, or followed the issue, if you do not yet understand that.

This also exemplifies a lack of education on this issue. For one, Wembley's design doesn't cause as much noise pollution. Second, the stadium was rebuilt in 2007 and would have filed for new planning permission. Whatever the residents and the local council agreed to, is the agreement. Croke Park and the GAA agreed to the current terms, when they built "Phase 4" in 2004. Subsequently, they cannot build a "Phase 5" without filing for new planning permission. All of which is standard in law.

Subsequently, they would have agreed to an agreement, in 2003? When they broke ground on Phase Four. The agreement is only 11 years old. Hardly "ancient" in law.

Too long a post to reply to it all but the nou camp has no roof either...it's getting silly now talkin about designs of stadiums seriously

Paulie1987 · 06-07-2014 10:04PM

Overheal wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are raising the point of lost economic activity as a counter-argument. Economic potential is lost every day by the elected choice to forgo activity that is not legally sanctioned; that does not mean that the law will be abandoned to maximize economic potential.

It's forgone when it's detrimental or severely impacts on peoples lives..a concert for 5 days does not..

Red Nissan · 06-07-2014 10:04PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Tough shít, because it is DCC (not the residents) who refused the licence and that's the end of it!

Read the statement from City Hall to Aiken Promotions.

Licensee granted subject to these conditions:
Reason for decision:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-07-2014 10:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

thats what the international stadium is there for, they may as well make use of it as much as they can

No,it's there for sport. Using it as a venue is relatively new. Been over this argument as well.

Paulie1987 · 06-07-2014 10:05PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

If the gigs are cancelled, its because of Garth.

What about the local business who have to close for the duration of the gigs. Are they less important.

What businesses have to close?..too many customers?..

Skylinehead · 06-07-2014 10:08PM

end of the road wrote: »

thats what the international stadium is there for, they may as well make use of it as much as they can

International stadium? Explain please.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 10:08PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

What businesses have to close?..too many customers?..

Several business objected to the concerts on the grounds they would have to close for the duration of the gigs, there was one chap on the tv3 news on Thursday. I believe he owned a garage.

muddypaws · 06-07-2014 10:10PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

It's forgone when it's detrimental or severely impacts on peoples lives..a concert for 5 days does not..

If somebody, as has been suggested on here, broke the wing mirrors off my car in an act of vandalism, it would be illegal, even though it wouldn't severely impact on my life. It would be annoying, and I would be out of pocket having to have them replaced, but whoever did it would still be acting outside the law, so the law isn't based on financial repercussions as you seem to be implying. I'd say being in lockdown for 5 straight days, as the local residents would be if the licence had been granted for all 5 concerts, would impact more than a single act of vandalism on my car.

queensinead · 06-07-2014 10:11PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

What businesses have to close?..too many customers?..

Lady on the radio a few weeks ago. She is a florist. She was going to close. Five days when people could not get into her street, or business to deliver or collect flowers....weddings missed, etc...

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 10:14PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No,it's there for sport. Using it as a venue is relatively new. Been over this argument as well.

So what if it relatively new?

It's relatively new to have concerts in Lansdowne Road / Aviva, but times change. Speaking of which: is there a limit placed on them with regards to how many concerts they can have in a year?

As that damn sure is in a residential area.

Overheal · 06-07-2014 10:14PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

Too long a post to reply to it all

That is the most depressing reply I've read all day. I weep for you.

end of the road wrote: »

thats what the international stadium is there for

I've replied to your argument exhaustively: the international stadium, as you call it, is there for sports. It holds sporting events. The agreement that the GAA signed acknowledged this, with music events being held on a very limited basis: either 3 times a year, or more with additional permissions sought. Thank you.

El Horseboxo · 06-07-2014 10:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

thats what the international stadium is there for, they may as well make use of it as much as they can

Why are you adding international into the mix like it's some sort of justification or validation? It is first and foremost home of the GAA. Ireland's national sport I'm led to believe.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 10:19PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

So what if it relatively new?

It's relatively new to have concerts in Lansdowne Road / Aviva, but times change. Speaking of which: is there a limit placed on them with regards to how many concerts they can have in a year?

As that damn sure is in a residential area.

Yes, 3 a year.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-07-2014 10:21PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

So what if it relatively new?

It's relatively new to have concerts in Lansdowne Road / Aviva, but times change. Speaking of which: is there a limit placed on them with regards to how many concerts they can have in a year?

As that damn sure is in a residential area.

The poster I was responding to seemed to.think that Croke Park was built as an entertainment venu rathet than a sports stadium used primarily for national sport.

Red Nissan · 06-07-2014 10:27PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The poster I was responding to seemed to.think that Croke Park was built as an entertainment venu rathet than a sports stadium used primarily for national sport.

One can judge the age from understandings like this.

I remember a time that if I even looked at a soccer match and I was found out, I'd be barred from all GAA functions and clubs and excommunicated at well.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 10:43PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yes, 3 a year.

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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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