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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #6452
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    Well they have an 80,000 seat stadium so I'd say they do have a sense of entitlement to use it within reason..was there an objection like this when they staged Ireland football matches??...croke park is only really used in the summer..it's naive to think they won't want to use it

    If these residents claim they are on lock down surely the GAA can point to the recent use of the stadium to show that these gigs are a one off..crazy that 20/30 people have caused such a stir
    You are seriously misrepresenting the differences between a match and a concert. The traffic is one thing, the noise is quite another. And Croke Park's U-shaped seating turns it all but into a nuisance.

    Don't get me wrong, I live near Death Valley stadium in Clemson. It seats 81,500, and has an open end also, which faces the University and is built into the bottom of a steep hill. When the stadium is full though you can hear the cheers from people from up to 3 miles away. Add to that, you want to include a music performance. So say you live nearby, instead of the occassional "Touchdown Clemson!" from the stadium speaker system and the low roar of fans, you're facing 3 straight hours of "I've got friends in Looooooowwwwwwww places." Every night, for 5 days.

    It's an 80,000 seat stadium for holding sporting events. Don't strawman the issue about non GAA Sports. It's a big difference between sports and concerts. I guarantee you nobody would have approved of a U-shaped 80,000 seat open air concert hall in the middle of Dublin, if that was the primary purpose.


  • #6453
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    M'lud, I know I robbed a bank but look at my recent history, it was a one off so I am entitled to do it, especially as the bank hasn't been robbed for 2 years

    LMAO:D:D:D


  • #6454
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    Well they have an 80,000 seat stadium so I'd say they do have a sense of entitlement to use it within reason..was there an objection like this when they staged Ireland football matches??...croke park is only really used in the summer..it's naive to think they won't want to use it

    If these residents claim they are on lock down surely the GAA can point to the recent use of the stadium to show that these gigs are a one off..crazy that 20/30 people have caused such a stir

    The Gaa can't really point to anything and be trusted. Bearing on mind, the residents would to a one-off becoming three becoming eight.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #6455
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Well yes, they do have a sports stadium. Which they are entitled to use for sports.

    They are entitled to use it for whatever they want..people are complaining they are locked in or out of their homes..when Ireland were playing there the games would finish late


  • #6456
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Oh absolutely and resident agreements tend to change down the years in any case, which is why I said last night that I hope the GAA tears up anything they have agreed and takes it as far as the Supreme Court, if needs be, to revoke any measures placed upon them from An Bord Pleanala which they feel are suffocating them going forward as a business, which thisnonsense three concert limit surely is doing.

    I doubt there is another stadium in the world whose local residents have as much influence as Croke Park's do over what can and cannot be held there and for how long for. I'm all for fairness and not taking the mick out of the residents. There safety needs, parking needs and general well being should always be a factor whenever events are being held there, particularly with regards to times of night that work can take place, but three concerts a year, no helicopter shooting footage and insisting in 10pm curfews is a bloody joke.

    You are right to doubt that position.

    About 3/4 miles away there's a wee International stadium, the Aviva. Have a look for yourself at the restrictions placed on the stadium. You'll find they are very similar situation to CP.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #6457
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    They are entitled to use it for whatever they want

    No they are not, take a look at their planning permission.
    The GAA are not a law unto themselves, even if they think they are!


  • #6458
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Anyway your inane ramblings are funnier that your inadvertent spelling mistake!
    You're in no position to talk about inane ramblings, since some of your comments suggest you think half the thread are posting here because the GAA paid them to.

    You're a good chuckle yourself, sunshine.


  • #6459
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    They are entitled to use it for whatever they want.

    Clearly not.


  • #6460
    ardle1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭ardle1


    So they have averaged less than 2 in the past 12 years! Nuff said. They should be allowed at least 10 for this year... Grab your Stetson Garth, we'll be waiting, yeeeeeeee-HAWWWWWWW.....


  • #6461
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ardle1 wrote: »
    So they have averaged less than 2 in the past 12 years! Nuff said. They should be allowed at least 10 for this year
    That is not how the legal paperwork works.

    Paperwork everyone signed on to. Including the GAA.


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  • #6462
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    Overheal wrote: »
    You are seriously misrepresenting the differences between a match and a concert. The traffic is one thing, the noise is quite another. And Croke Park's U-shaped seating turns it all but into a nuisance.

    Don't get me wrong, I live near Death Valley stadium in Clemson. It seats 81,500, and has an open end also, which faces the University and is built into the bottom of a steep hill. When the stadium is full though you can hear the cheers from people from up to 3 miles away. Add to that, you want to include a music performance. So say you live nearby, instead of the occassional "Touchdown Clemson!" from the stadium speaker system and the low roar of fans, you're facing 3 straight hours of "I've got friends in Looooooowwwwwwww places." Every night, for 5 days.

    It's an 80,000 seat stadium for holding sporting events. Don't strawman the issue about non GAA Sports. It's a big difference between sports and concerts. I guarantee you nobody would have approved of a U-shaped 80,000 seat open air concert hall in the middle of Dublin, if that was the primary purpose.

    But the big argument has been traffic, fans hanging around etc..Exactly 5 nights..not 105 nights..unconveniencing and costing 400,000 people a lot of money and embarrassing the whole country don't justify it


  • #6463
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    But the big argument has been traffic, fans hanging around etc..Exactly 5 nights..not 105 nights..unconveniencing and costing 400,000 people a lot of money and embarrassing the whole country don't justify it

    Where do you get 105 nights from? If your argument cannot be rationalized without such a hyperbole, it is probably flawed.

    (A bit different in the case of Clemson, as the town/city has quite literally grown as a direct result of the Stadium, and University, and the infrastructure is planned accordingly)

    Those 400,000 will have most all of their money refunded to them, and your country should be more embarrassed about how it discarded its dead, in Galway. On that matter, most of the world thought the news had to surely be fake when it surfaced, but now its just simply appalling.

    Canceling 2 concert days for a country singer's comeback tour? I can not emphasize this enough: nobody gives a damn.


  • #6464
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Kind of hoping all 5 concerts are cancelled on Tuesday just to see this thread explode:)

    If it happens theres going to be flash floods of tears.


  • #6465
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,200 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    But the big argument has been traffic, fans hanging around etc..Exactly 5 nights..not 105 nights..unconveniencing and costing 400,000 people a lot of money and embarrassing the whole country don't justify it

    You really don't get it all, do you?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6466
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    ardle1 wrote: »
    we'll be waiting, yeeeeeeee-HAWWWWWWW.....

    You will be along time waiting buddy, if you think Fatboy is going to get to play five nights!


  • #6467
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    But the big argument has been traffic, fans hanging around etc..Exactly 5 nights..not 105 nights..unconveniencing and costing 400,000 people a lot of money and embarrassing the whole country don't justify it

    The only ones inconvenienced and embarrassed are Aiken, Fatboy Garth , and the GAA, who thought they were a law unto themselves and had a licence to print money!


  • #6468
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    The Gaa can't really point to anything and be trusted. Bearing on mind, the residents would to a one-off becoming three becoming eight.

    How can't they?..the facts are the facts..there was no concerts last year..it's an outdated agreement anyways..croke park must be the only stadium in the world were this would happen..can you imagine how the residents near wembley or the nou camp feel if croke parks residents think they have it bad


  • #6469
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    JRant wrote: »
    You really don't get it all, do you?

    Nobody gets it but the few residents with nothing better to do


  • #6470
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    How can't they?..the facts are the facts..there was no concerts last year..it's an outdated agreement anyways..croke park must be the only stadium in the world were this would happen..can you imagine how the residents near wembley or the nou camp feel if croke parks residents think they have it bad
    Neither Wembley ( and I lived near it) nor the Nou Camp are built in locations anything like Croke Park
    You are comparing apples with goldfish!.


  • #6471
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    Nobody gets it but the few residents with nothing better to do

    Tough shít, because it is DCC (not the residents) who refused the licence and that's the end of it!


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  • #6472
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    Overheal wrote: »
    Where do you get 105 nights from? If your argument cannot be rationalized without such a hyperbole, it is probably flawed.

    (A bit different in the case of Clemson, as the town/city has quite literally grown as a direct result of the Stadium, and University, and the infrastructure is planned accordingly)

    Those 400,000 will have most all of their money refunded to them, and your country should be more embarrassed about how it discarded its dead, in Galway. On that matter, most of the world thought the news had to surely be fake when it surfaced, but now its just simply appalling.

    Canceling 2 concert days for a country singer's comeback tour? I can not emphasize this enough: nobody gives a damn.

    You obviously give a damn or you'd be doing something else rather than replying to me


  • #6473
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Those Gareth Brooks fans really think they are a pretty special bunch now don't they.


  • #6474
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Tough shít, because it is DCC (not the residents) who refused the licence and that's the end of it!

    I don't think it is, wait till Tuesday ;)


  • #6475
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    How can't they?..the facts are the facts..there was no concerts last year..it's an outdated agreement anyways..croke park must be the only stadium in the world were this would happen..can you imagine how the residents near wembley or the nou camp feel if croke parks residents think they have it bad

    When's the last time Wembley or the nou camp held 5 consecutive nights of concerts?


  • #6476
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Neither Wembley ( and I lived near it) nor the Nou Camp are built in locations anything like Croke Park
    You are comparing apples with goldfish!.

    You'v never been to the nou camp then


  • #6477
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    I don't think it is, wait till Tuesday ;)

    Why winkface? If your so in the know, share how the decision is gonna be overturned?


  • #6478
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,442 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    When's the last time Wembley or the nou camp held 5 consecutive nights of concerts?

    take that played wembley stadium 8 nights over the course of 10 days in july 2011


  • #6479
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    How can't they?..the facts are the facts..there was no concerts last year..it's an outdated agreement anyways

    How is it outdated? Was an expiration date specified on the agreement? In law, it is common practice for bills to require review after a set number of years, and have set expiration dates on their effect if they are not renewed or amended. Are you saying that was the case here, or are you casually speculating without probable cause?
    ..croke park must be the only stadium in the world were this would happen..
    That is false. This happens in most situations. You have not read the thread, or followed the issue, if you do not yet understand that.
    can you imagine how the residents near wembley or the nou camp feel if croke parks residents think they have it bad

    This also exemplifies a lack of education on this issue. For one, Wembley's design doesn't cause as much noise pollution. Second, the stadium was rebuilt in 2007 and would have filed for new planning permission. Whatever the residents and the local council agreed to, is the agreement. Croke Park and the GAA agreed to the current terms, when they built "Phase 4" in 2004. Subsequently, they cannot build a "Phase 5" without filing for new planning permission. All of which is standard in law.

    Subsequently, they would have agreed to an agreement, in 2003? When they broke ground on Phase Four. The agreement is only 11 years old. Hardly "ancient" in law.


  • #6480
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    I don't think it is, wait till Tuesday ;)

    There is no legal way that DCC can review, modify, or rescind their decision, Tuesday or any other day.


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  • #6481
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    You obviously give a damn or you'd be doing something else rather than replying to me

    I have no interest in Garth Brooks or his concerts. I do however love to exercise in rational thought and argument; and this thread is rife with irrational, misinformed argument.


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