Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 07:41PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

I would pay money to hear that argument put before a High Court Judge!:D:D

Laugh all you like, but the Supreme Court has history of granting permission to hold concerts when residential / council agreements stipulated that they couldn't.

Sure, things have changed since then, somewhat, but you never know, maybe the days of Croke Park residents having the ability to hold the GAA to ransom whenever they wanted, are numbered. One can only hope.

Fred Swanson · 06-07-2014 07:46PM

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Fr_Dougal · 06-07-2014 07:46PM

Someone needs to call Bono.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 07:48PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Laugh all you like, but the Supreme Court has history of granting permission to hold concerts when residential / council agreements stipulated that they couldn't.

Sure, things have changed since then, somewhat, but you never know, maybe the days of Croke Park residents having the ability to hold the GAA to ransom whenever they wanted, are numbered. One can only hope.

Read up on your law chappie, then read up on the members of the current Supreme Court and some of the decisions they have made.
If you think that Judges Laffoy, Denham, Clarke et al will take the side of greed over the citizen then you know little about the current Supreme Court and its thinking!

jack presley · 06-07-2014 07:50PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

maybe the days of Croke Park residents having the ability to hold the GAA to ransom whenever they wanted, are numbered. One can only hope.

It's DCC that grant the licences and not the residents.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 08:01PM

jack presley wrote: »

It's DCC that grant the licences and not the residents.

LOL at this point continually being made, as if it somehow negates any of the points made.

Yes, the DCC grant the licences, but they grant the licences based on a number of criteria being met, most of which are decided by negotiating with, and listening to the concerns of... guess who? The residence.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 08:02PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

LOL at this point continually being made, as if it somehow negates any of the points made.

Yes, the DCC grant the licences, but they grant the licences based on a number of criteria being met, most of which are decided by negotiating with, and listening to the concerns of... guess who? The residence.

and regardless of any agreement being ripped up, that will still be the case.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 08:03PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

LOL at this point continually being made, as if it somehow negates any of the points made.

Yes, the DCC grant the licences, but they grant the licences based on a number of criteria being met, most of which are decided by negotiating with, and listening to the concerns of... guess who? The residence.

That's a private members club near St Stephens Green isn't It?:D

Fred Swanson · 06-07-2014 08:05PM

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Tipsy McSwagger · 06-07-2014 08:19PM

Kind of hoping all 5 concerts are cancelled on Tuesday just to see this thread explode:)

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 08:20PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

If you think that Judges Laffoy, Denham, Clarke et al will take the side of greed over the citizen then you know little about the current Supreme Court and its thinking!

Wanting to host concerts in a stadium is "greed" now is it?

Strange, as my idea of greed would be more like people trying to prevent a stadium they live beside hosting concerts eight nights a year, just because I didn't like the inconvenience of it.

Podge83 · 06-07-2014 08:21PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Kind of hoping all 5 concerts are cancelled on Tuesday just to see this thread explode:)

And hopefully everyone gets off the roundabout!!

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 08:24PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Wanting to host concerts in a stadium is "greed" now is it?

It is when your planning permission allowed for 3 a year and you made an agreement with the residents in 2009 only to hold 3 a year.
Yeah , that's greed, and arrogance!
Personally I hope none of the concerts go ahead now just to teach the GAA a public lesson in humility!

Overheal · 06-07-2014 08:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

the minute you move into or are born into an area where there is an international stadium you absolutely sign up for any events that stadium decides to put on, nobody has to ask permission from private security contractors, them being private they have no rights no matter what they may say

You have exemplified that you have absolutely no grasp on the situation.

Thank you.

Grayson · 06-07-2014 08:36PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Sure, things have changed since then, somewhat, but you never know, maybe the days of Croke Park residents having the ability to hold the GAA to ransom whenever they wanted, are numbered. One can only hope.

I wouldn't say the hold the GAA to ransom. How often have events in Croke Park been cancelled because of them?

Grayson · 06-07-2014 08:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

the minute you move into or are born into an area where there is an international stadium you absolutely sign up for any events that stadium decides to put on, nobody has to ask permission from private security contractors, them being private they have no rights no matter what they may say

So anyone can at any point ignore any private security contractor? Does this include the fans?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 08:39PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

It is when your planning permission allowed for 3 a year and you made an agreement with the residents in 2009 only to hold 3 a year.
Yeah , that's greed, and arrogance!
Personally I hope none of the concerts go ahead now just to teach the GAA a public lesson in humility!

Well, they were owed three from last year as no concerts took place and there was only one in 2010 and one in 2011 also. Hardly the actions of a greedy stadium now is it. Let's face it, you and many others here are just looking to label the GAA as greedy and Garth Brooks as a money grabber, with little or nothing to back up those ludicrous assertions.

If I can channel Kevin Keegan for a second..

I'll tell ya. Honestly. I would love it if these five gigs went ahead. Love it!

Overheal · 06-07-2014 08:40PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Well, they were owed three from last year as no concerts took place and there was only one in 2010 and one in 2011 also.

Is there some rule that allows them to "bank" permission?

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 08:43PM

Overheal wrote: »

Is there some rule that allows them to "bank" permission?

Only in the minds, such as they are, of the deluded and the shills for the GAA.
Meanwhile back at The Residence on Stephens Green....:D:D

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 08:43PM

Overheal wrote: »

Is there some rule that allows them to "bank" permission?

Should be. The deal was three a year since 2009.

That means, if anything, they should be in the black here.

Pwindedd · 06-07-2014 08:44PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

As if back to back concerts happen regularly.

This is a wiki page on Croke Park:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croke_Park

There is a section on concerts and gives a list of concerts going back to 1996.

2013
No concerts.

2012
- Red hot chilli peppers, June 26
- Westlife, June 22 - 23

2011
- Take That, June 18, 19

2010
- westlife, June 5th

2009
- U2, July 24,25,27
- Take That, June 13

2008
- Celine Dion, May 30
- westlife, June 1
- Neil Diamond, June 14

2007
No concerts

2006
- Robbie Williams, June 9
- Bon Jovi, May 20

2005
- u2, June 24, 25, 27

1998
- Elton John and Billy Joel
May 29 - 30

1997
- Garth Brooks, May 29, 30

1996
- Tina Turner, June 28

To quote my long departed friend,( from the thread I mean)...it seems that for the last 20 years there has been 3 concerts or less per annum on average. Which also suggests that there was an agreement in place. It would be interesting to see if anyone has been refused a concert there. I have to ask myself how not one person in the Brooks/Aiken team thought hold on a minute we might encounter an issue here. Have we a contingency plan, is a five night gig feasible, are we confident we'll get the licenses?

I've posted a link to the 2014 fixture list below, it's pretty relentless especially in August.

http://www.crokepark.ie/getmedia/1b76b181-002b-4578-be3c-25d92914871d/2014-Croke-Park-fixture-list.pdf

Genuine question now, if the 5 concerts were to go ahead I'm assuming the ground would be unavailable for sports during this time yes?

the purple tin · 06-07-2014 08:46PM

Tarzana wrote: »

It's weirdly self-regarding in a way.

Delusional too.

Overheal · 06-07-2014 08:48PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Should be. The deal was three a year since 2009.

That means, if anything, they should be in the black here.

That doesn't mean it was in the agreement. In many, many, many types of contract, those kind of agreements are "use it or lose it."

Now, the GAA should have been a lot more diplomatic, and used that type of appeal with the DCC and residents to get the go ahead, but either the thought didn't occur to them, or it was tried and failed. Either way, their sense of entitlement screwed them over.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 08:50PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Only in the minds, such as they are, of the deluded and the shills for the GAA.
Meanwhile back at The Residence on Stephens Green....:D:D

You took the piss out of my misspelling the word already. Is once not good enough for you?

Give it a rest.

Overheal · 06-07-2014 08:59PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

As if back to back concerts happen regularly.

This is a wiki page on Croke Park:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croke_Park

There is a section on concerts and gives a list of concerts going back to 1996.

2013
No concerts.

2012
- Red hot chilli peppers, June 26
- Westlife, June 22 - 23

2011
- Take That, June 18, 19

2010
- westlife, June 5th

2009
- U2, July 24,25,27
- Take That, June 13

2008
- Celine Dion, May 30
- westlife, June 1
- Neil Diamond, June 14

2007
No concerts

2006
- Robbie Williams, June 9
- Bon Jovi, May 20

2005
- u2, June 24, 25, 27

1998
- Elton John and Billy Joel
May 29 - 30

1997
- Garth Brooks, May 29, 30

1996
- Tina Turner, June 28

You conveniently omit statistics for 2014:

Once Direction - May 23rd, 24th, 25th

Garth Brooks - July 25, 26, 27, 28 (TBD), 29 (TBD)

So if anything, this information only supports the idea that the volume of concerts this year, is unprecedented. Averaging 3 concerts a year or less, and those 3 concerts already occurred in May. Now, they want to hold 5 additional concerts.

It's a big jump from 2-3 concerts, to 8.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 09:00PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

You took the piss out of my misspelling the word already. Is once not good enough for you?

Give it a rest.

You're right, sorry.:o
Anyway your inane ramblings are funnier that your inadvertent spelling mistake!:D

JRant · 06-07-2014 09:02PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

It should be made a sticky, casual posters dropping in don't understand and it should be 'compulsory' reading so we ALL know where we are at.

Anyway there has been a call from the Dublin Business Association calling on the Dublin City Manager to overrule his decision and allow the concerts to go ahead biting the loss of over €50 in spinoff business to the local community.

I'd say the DBA pulled those numbers from the same place the Anglo boys did, namely their ass.

Paulie1987 · 06-07-2014 09:03PM

Overheal wrote: »

That doesn't mean it was in the agreement. In many, many, many types of contract, those kind of agreements are "use it or lose it."

Now, the GAA should have been a lot more diplomatic, and used that type of appeal with the DCC and residents to get the go ahead, but either the thought didn't occur to them, or it was tried and failed. Either way, their sense of entitlement screwed them over.

Well they have an 80,000 seat stadium so I'd say they do have a sense of entitlement to use it within reason..was there an objection like this when they staged Ireland football matches??...croke park is only really used in the summer..it's naive to think they won't want to use it

If these residents claim they are on lock down surely the GAA can point to the recent use of the stadium to show that these gigs are a one off..crazy that 20/30 people have caused such a stir

Skylinehead · 06-07-2014 09:09PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

Well they have an 80,000 seat stadium so I'd say they do have a sense of entitlement to use it within reason..

Well yes, they do have a sports stadium. Which they are entitled to use for sports.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 09:09PM

Paulie1987 wrote: »

surely the GAA can point to the recent use of the stadium to show that these gigs are a one off..crazy that 20/30 people have caused such a stir

M'lud, I know I robbed a bank but look at my recent history, it was a one off so I am entitled to do it, especially as the bank hasn't been robbed for 2 years

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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