SSM Referendum Spring 2015

shruikan2553 · 06-07-2014 07:32PM

Nodin wrote: »

Two dads, mother a virgin, not sure if he had brothers or not....its no wonder he ended up bewildered.

Didnt know how to shave either going by the pictures.

Daith · 06-07-2014 07:33PM

fran17 wrote: »

I believe one of the groupings went by the ever so pleasant name of "irish queers" google it

I really don't like googling myself.

shruikan2553 · 06-07-2014 07:33PM

fran17 wrote: »

I believe one of the groupings went by the ever so pleasant name of "irish queers" google it

Do it in igcognito if you wish to avoid awkwardness with the girlfriend

Links234 · 06-07-2014 07:34PM

fran17 wrote: »

well your the one who agrees that Jesus Christ suffered from mental illness and was bipolar.so I could ask the same question of yourself lol

I think you might be thinking of someone else, but what the hell that has to do with the price of butter, I've no idea.

I swear, talking to you is like pulling teeth... from a mythical creature with hundreds of teeth that keep growing back. Do you care to elaborate on this point or not? This bit right here:

for the people with short memories,or selective memories,im talking about a very small minority of our population who attempted to take the spotlight off a celebration of Ireland,and turn it into an event,through a nasty and subtle media campaign,which displayed the irish people as bigots and "homophobes" throughout the world

What are you on about for crying out loud?

fran17 · 06-07-2014 07:34PM

Nodin wrote: »

Two dads, mother a virgin, not sure if he had brothers or not....its no wonder he ended up bewildered.

you had my respect til you said that.poor show

fran17 · 06-07-2014 07:35PM

Links234 wrote: »

I think you might be thinking of someone else, but what the hell that has to do with the price of butter, I've no idea.

I swear, talking to you is like pulling teeth... from a mythical creature with hundreds of teeth that keep growing back. Do you care to elaborate on this point or not? This bit right here:

What are you on about for crying out loud?

I wasn't thinking of someone else,you even thanked the post

Daith · 06-07-2014 07:36PM

fran17 wrote: »

you had my respect til you said that.poor show

While you are here

God created Adam and Eve
Adam and Eve had two children Cain and Abel

Where did everyone else come from?

Nodin · 06-07-2014 07:36PM

fran17 wrote: »

I believe one of the groupings went by the ever so pleasant name of "irish queers" google it

It is the parade in new York. Obviously I was giving you far too much credit.

The parade there is run by a shower of sectarian Neanderthals who should be harassed about their crap at every given opportunity. It has, however, nothing to do with SSM, or this country, and your description of the protests is dishonest in the extreme.

Links234 · 06-07-2014 07:37PM

fran17 wrote: »

I wasn't thinking of someone else,you even thanked the post

Whatever! Do you want to elaborate on your bewildering point, or just duck dodge and weave some more?

Links234 · 06-07-2014 07:44PM

Seriously? Is it the NY Parade you're on about fran17?

How did that translate into nonsense about "portraying the Irish people as bigots and homophobes throughout the world"? Utterly, utterly bonkers point

fran17 · 06-07-2014 07:44PM

Links234 wrote: »

Whatever! Do you want to elaborate on your bewildering point, or just duck dodge and weave some more?

i'll clear all these questions up.refer to the thread "sexualisation of the st.patricks day parade" I think the poll result,for a site with posters as one sided on these issue as boards,speaks volumes

Nodin · 06-07-2014 07:46PM

fran17 wrote: »

i'll clear all these questions up.refer to the thread "sexualisation of the st.patricks day parade" I think the poll result,for a site with posters as one sided on these issue as boards,speaks volumes

It's fuck all to do with SSM Fran. Though judging by some of your posts, sex of any kind probably horrifies you.

Corkfeen · 06-07-2014 07:52PM

fran17 wrote: »

for the people with short memories,or selective memories,im talking about a very small minority of our population who attempted to take the spotlight off a celebration of Ireland,and turn it into an event,through a nasty and subtle media campaign,which displayed the irish people as bigots and "homophobes" throughout the world

Just to clarify, Ireland came out as not very homophobic in this regard since lgbt groups have marched in parades in Ireland for years. However it reflected awfully upon the US organisers of parades and their rather apparent homophobia against recognising LGBT groups. So if you think the referendum will be won based on this. You're deluded.

Carlos Orange · 06-07-2014 08:20PM

floggg wrote: »

Honestly, I'm getting flabbergasted. You're essentially arguing that in the long run the only real victims of discrimination against LGBT people will end the perpetrators of the discrimination.

Do you not think yhe fault might lie with them for discriminating against us, rather than us for fighting back against it?

The way I look at it peoples opinions are largely a result of a bunch of inputs they have little if any control over. They should be given time to adjust their opinions or learn to hide them. At some point they will be doing more damage to themselves than to anybody else.

Even aside from all that I think it is fairly standard for the tenor of discussion around a referendum to affect turnout. The childrens referendum posters that were basically vote yes or you hate kids probably didn't help with the turnout for that referendum. The last 20 referendums have <60% turnout. If the tone of discussion about the referendum is negative and full of bile I'm less likely to vote but I'll hardly be the only one who doesn't (for a variety of reasons).

Daith · 06-07-2014 08:29PM

psinno wrote: »

If the tone of discussion about the referendum is negative and full of bile I'm less likely to vote but I'll hardly be the only one who doesn't.

The chances are if you think the tone is going to be negative then you're likely to find that negativity.

You also seem to focus on the negativity against the No side rather than anything said about the Yes side which I'm finding odd.

eviltwin · 06-07-2014 08:33PM

Daith wrote: »

The chances are if you think the tone is going to be negative then you're likely to find that negativity.

You also seem to focus on the negativity against the No side rather than anything said about the Yes side which I'm finding odd.

Cause he's a no, he just doesn't have the balls to admit it and wants to blame the yes side for his no vote.

NuMarvel · 06-07-2014 08:41PM

Daith wrote: »

While you are here

God created Adam and Eve
Adam and Eve had two children Cain and Abel

Where did everyone else come from?

FYI, Adam and Eve had other children, sons and daughters, after Cain and Abel, but that doesn't really make things any clearer. My guess is the snake got really inventive with the apple tree

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psinno wrote: »

The way I look at it peoples opinions are largely a result of a bunch of inputs they have little if any control over. They should be given time to adjust their opinions or learn to hide them. At some point they will be doing more damage to themselves than to anybody else.

While people have little control over inputs when they're younger, they gain control as they mature, and will presumably develop the faculty for critical analysis. Adults are wholly responsible for the opinions they have, and they should have the ability to analyse that opinion to see if it holds up to scrutiny. If people aren't going to evaluate their own opinions for flaws beforehand, then I'm not sure why they should get special consideration afterwards.

P_1 · 06-07-2014 08:54PM

fran17 wrote: »

I believe one of the groupings went by the ever so pleasant name of "irish queers" google it

Ah you were referring to a group of conservative dinosaurs from America who have the temerity to claim that they represent Ireland by not allowing LGBT marchers in their Paddys Day parades in Boston and New York while failing to notice that they've been welcome in the Dublin parade for years?

Thanks for eventually clearing that up but I'm at a loss to quite what that has to do with a referendum on SSM in Ireland.

Ave Sodalis · 06-07-2014 09:03PM

P_1 wrote: »

Thanks for eventually clearing that up but I'm at a loss to quite what that has to do with a referendum on SSM in Ireland.

Oh it's quite simple really. He so far has presented old, outdated arguments that have no basis nor can be backed up by anything. Everything he has come up with has been torn apart due to this, so he's topic hopping, hoping he'll find something that can't be argued against. Unfortunately, that doesn't exist. I do believe the term is "grasping at straws"

Carlos Orange · 06-07-2014 09:14PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Cause he's a no, he just doesn't have the balls to admit it and wants to blame the yes side for his no vote.

Sure, cause it takes so many more balls to say I'll definitely vote yes or to say nothing. That would be maximum ballage for sure.

eviltwin · 06-07-2014 09:23PM

psinno wrote: »

Sure, cause it takes so many more balls to say I'll definitely vote yes or to say nothing. That would be maximum ballage for sure.

given that you've apparently only concerns about one side of the campaign says it all, you aren't one bit impartial on this

PopePalpatine · 06-07-2014 10:04PM

Links234 wrote: »

...the **** are you on about? Seriously.

I like to imagine he's doing a Jobbridge at the Iona Institute.

Kiwi in IE · 06-07-2014 10:12PM

fran17 wrote: »

nasty and subtle media campaign,which displayed the irish people as bigots and "homophobes" throughout the world

I'm not really sure what you are on about here. Have been at work and only read up to this post, so perhaps I will be 'enlightened' when I read on. However one point I would like to make is that if you are worried about the Irish people being portrayed as bigots and homphobes, the most effective way to dispel this myth is to legalise same sex marriage! And you are hardly a poster child for equality and tolerance yourself by the way!

Carlos Orange · 06-07-2014 10:12PM

eviltwin wrote: »

given that you've apparently only concerns about one side of the campaign says it all, you aren't one bit impartial on this

I don't think there is anything improper in largely basing the decision whether to vote on how one side behaves when you have already decided not to vote with the other side.

Anyway it is interesting the different reaction abstract advice gets compared to an individual saying the same thing about themselves. If I had said the best way to win was to be positive , spread a confident message of positivity and love and don't resort to calling people bigots and homophobes it is cool. Somehow it escapes people that abstract advice applies to individuals.

Kiwi in IE · 06-07-2014 10:18PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

You basically just don't like gay people or anything at all even remotely connected to us, right?

You'd might as well just admit it. That'd be the only justification you have against equal rights. I'd have more respect for you if you just admitted it too, instead of this charade about nature and children.

In all fairness what other justifications are there? I am yet to hear an argument where the assorted smokescreens cannot be seen through immediately.

Daith · 06-07-2014 10:20PM

psinno wrote: »

I don't think there is anything improper in largely basing the decision whether to vote on how one side behaves when you have already decided not to vote with the other side

So play nice and get my vote? I think it's probably better to vote based on if you agree or disagree with equal marriage rather than waiting for someone to use the word bigot.

Particularly as you don't have any problem with the No side saying anything at all about gay ppl.

P_1 · 06-07-2014 10:25PM

Daith wrote: »

So play nice and get my vote? I think it's probably better to vote based on if you agree or disagree with equal marriage rather than waiting for someone to use the word bigot.

Particularly as you don't have any problem with the No side saying anything at all about gay ppl.

To be fair that is how a vast majority of people tend to decide on how to cast their ballot. Now in elections that mightn't really be a problem but for a referendum it can come across as quite ignorant and misguided.

Ave Sodalis · 06-07-2014 10:41PM

psinno wrote: »

I don't think there is anything improper in largely basing the decision whether to vote on how one side behaves when you have already decided not to vote with the other side.

Anyway it is interesting the different reaction abstract advice gets compared to an individual saying the same thing about themselves. If I had said the best way to win was to be positive , spread a confident message of positivity and love and don't resort to calling people bigots and homophobes it is cool. Somehow it escapes people that abstract advice applies to individuals.

Although I can kinda seen what your post is based on, the whole catching flies with honey thing, but I have to say... Bigots and homophobes will be called bigots and homophobes when bigots and homophobes act like bigots and homophobes.
You really can't expect people to talk in such a manner and not have someone pull them up on it.

Pwindedd · 06-07-2014 10:55PM

In response to poll questions I had to vote No - for other reasons.

Meaning No I won't be voting in support of same sex marriage because I'm not eligible to vote in a referendum. I'm not usually a voter - but on an individual issue I would like to be able to have my say. If I could vote it would be a resounding yes though. Does anyone not that bothered want to vote Yes on my behalf?

Annasopra · 06-07-2014 11:20PM

Links234 wrote: »

...the **** are you on about? Seriously.

NYC Patricks day ban

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