Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 04:55PM

jack presley wrote: »

I don't think the licences were refused because or rule breaches. They were refused because the applications didn't tick all the required boxes.

The required boxes are the rules ffs.

The thread is just descending into pedantic word games now.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 04:56PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

What are you waffling about?

They both have pretty much the same capacity, that is why I used it as an example. I am not saying they have the same sort of residential concerns ffs. I am saying if they did and they cancelled three 1D concerts three weeks before they were due to take place, after tickets have been sold to the public and the planning for the concerts was in full swing, that I would without question think it a calamity that they yet still felt cancelling the concerts to be the appropriate action to take for putting on the concerts above agreed limits.

You said if they were cancelled due to residents, Just pointing out that that wouldn't be the case with the metlife.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I heard that three weeks before those concerts were due to take place, that they have had to refund the ticket holders of the first three concerts due to resident / planning board agreement on the number of concerts allowed to take place there, being broken

Secondly there's actually a large chance of gigs at the metlife being cancelled in the future, I don't think that's gonna kill americas tourism trade do you?

Tarzana · 06-07-2014 04:59PM

the purple tin wrote: »

Really not getting these daft coments about Ireland being an 'international laughing stock' because of this

It's weirdly self-regarding in a way.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 05:00PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

All the required boxes are rules ffs.

The thread is just descending into pedantic word games now.

You are clearly totally ignorant of the licence procedure, it is not about rules per se, it is also about the disruptive effect the event will have on the area, balancing the needs of the city, the residents, the suitability of the venue, the security/stewarding etc and other arrangements, and reaching a decision based on these factors.
DCC viewed that 5 concerts would be way too disruptive.
The promoter knew all along it was a huge ask so left it to the last minute to apply in the hope that DCC would feel pressurised into giving in to his greed and arrogance, thankfully they didn't.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 05:01PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You said if they were cancelled due to residents, Just pointing out that that wouldn't be the case with the metlife.

Yawn.

Which is why I said for 'argument's sake'. There is also no chipper near Medowlands called the Perki Chick. What was I thinking.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 05:02PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

The required boxes are the rules ffs.

The thread is just descending into pedantic word games now.

The council's opinion that the disturbance from 5 gigs would be too much is not a rule.

Red Nissan · 06-07-2014 05:06PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

What is he, Bord Failte ? He's not making a DVD of Ireland to sell Ireland, he's filming his gigs to make money for himself.

Which would have been a huge promotion for others in other industries so see such a progressive facilitation in a unique situation.

Assuming that the initial two concerts were hoped to be filled and a third fulfilling demand, and not a stunt where they knew or expected to fill five concerts and only planned two with an extra option.

I believe it was an unexpected sell out.

It's a clear message to business that you can't expand as demand for you product increases, so you must consider that if setting up in Ireland.

And as for news stories, it's what gets into the private trade magazines that counts.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 05:06PM

jack presley wrote: »

The council's opinion that the disturbance from 5 gigs would be too much is not a rule.

I can't believe I am having this discussion.

Of course the council's decision is based on the bloody rules.

If the rule was that they could have 12 concerts, they wouldn't be faced with the bloody decision to make in the first place as the license would be granted as a matter of course!

They have been refused the license because they have BROKE THE RULES set out.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 05:08PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I am saying if they did and they cancelled three 1D concerts three weeks before they were due to take place, after tickets have been sold to the public and the planning for the concerts was in full swing, that I would without question think it a calamity that they yet still felt cancelling the concerts to be the appropriate action to take for putting on the concerts above agreed limits.

I would think its a promoter acting the maggot and not getting his ducks all lined up in a row.

Goes to show you that Simon Cowell and the 1D team are a hell of a lot cleverer than Aiken and Brooks.

1D could have sold out 5 nights easily in Croke Park, but I didn't see them running roughshod over the licencing system.

Niall Horan has done more to promote Ireland by wearing a tricoloured ear piece than Garth Brooks ever will.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 05:08PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Yawn.

Which is why I said for 'argument's sake'. There is also no chipper near Medowlands called the Perki Chick. What was I thinking.

Oh, ok.

For arguments sake, If i heard a venue in the middle of nowhere, with no residents, had gigs cancelled by residents. I'd think it was a calamity too

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 05:08PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I can't believe I am having this discussion.

Of course the council's decision is based on the bloody rules.

If the rule was that they could have 12 concerts, they wouldn't even have a bloody decision to make!

Until Aiken decided to have 13

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 05:12PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Oh, ok.

For arguments sake, If i heard a venue in the middle of nowhere, with no residents, had gigs cancelled by residents. I'd think it was a calamity too

At this stage, you are not taking the point on purpose. I never said nor implied that Medowlands had the same residential concerns as Croke Park and most people would be unaware of that anyway. For the last time, I chose that stadium as an example because of it's capacity, NOTHING else.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 05:12PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I can't believe I am having this discussion.

Of course the council's decision is based on the bloody rules.

If the rule was that they could have 12 concerts, they wouldn't be faced with the bloody decision to make in the first place as the license would be granted as a matter of course!

They have been refused the license because they have BROKE THE RULES set out.

Rubbish
Go and do a little basic research because you clearly have no idea of what you are posting about!

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 05:15PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

At this stage, you are not taking the point on purpose. I never said nor implied that Medowlands had the same residential concerns as Croke Park and most people would be unaware of that anyway. For the last time, I chose that stadium as an example because of it's capacity, NOTHING else.

So you compare an apple to an orange to make your point.
Must try harder.

Norma_Desmond · 06-07-2014 05:18PM

Haven't read through the thread, but it seems that a lot of people are unaware that there were already
3 concert nights at Croke Park (One Direction in May) prior to the Garth Brooks gigs.

That's twice as many concerts (total of 8) as they've allowed previous years.
The GAA thought they could make up their own rules and DCC have called them on it.
Croke Park's image as a venue has been dented and it serves them right for treating the residents so poorly.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 05:18PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

At this stage, you are not taking the point on purpose. I never said nor implied that Medowlands had the same residential concerns as Croke Park and most people would be unaware of that anyway. For the last time, I chose that stadium as an example because of it's capacity, NOTHING else.

Ok, but giving to peoples "National disgrace" comment, There is a very real possibility of live nation pulling acts from the meadowlands and indeed new jersey as a whole. That hasn't even caused a ripple over here, Let alone caused people to declare it a national disgrace. It's the exact same as garth, The only people who think the "eyes of the world" are on us over this are small minded curtain twitchers.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 05:25PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Ok, but giving to peoples "National disgrace" comment, There is a very real possibility of live nation pulling acts from the meadowlands and indeed new jersey as a whole. That hasn't even caused a ripple over here, Let alone caused people to declare it a national disgrace. It's the exact same as garth, The only people who think the "eyes of the world" are on us over this are small minded curtain twitchers.

If the One Direction gig in New Jersey in cancelled, i will never set foot in a McDonald's again or drink Coca Cola and my iPhone is going out the window. And I'll be the one protesting outside the embassy in Ballsbridge and calling for the Government to expel Intel/Google etc. from our country.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 05:30PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Rubbish
Go and do a little basic research because you clearly have no idea of what you are posting about!

It's not rubbish and just saying it is, doesn't make it so. I can't believe anyone would try and argue that this is not about rules being breeched. The licence was refused on the grounds that three concerts had already taken place. Why do you think that the council referenced the three concerts having already taken place in their statements during the week when refusing the license ? For the craic? It's the whole fact that the Bord Pleanala rules have been breached that has led to this decision based on the fact that it would cause an over-intensification for the residents were they to allow them to go ahead.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 05:31PM

jack presley wrote: »

If the One Direction gig in New Jersey in cancelled, i will never set foot in a McDonald's again or drink Coca Cola and my iPhone is going out the window. And I'll be the one protesting outside the embassy in Ballsbridge and calling for the Government to expel Intel/Google etc. from our country.

Keyboard warrior talk.....
If you were serious you'd fly to NJ and break a few wing mirrors before taking a dump in someone's garden.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 05:32PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

It's not rubbish and just saying it is, doesn't make it so. The licence was refused on the grounds that three concerts had already taken place. .

Wrong!
That is NOT the reason given by DCC for refusing the licence.
I suggest you read their decision before making an even bigger fool of yourself!

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 05:33PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Keyboard warrior talk.....
If you were serious you'd fly to NJ and break a few wing mirrors before taking a dump in someone's garden.

Am only sorry that I could only thank that post once!

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 05:33PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

It's not rubbish and just saying it is, doesn't make it so. I can't believe anyone would try and argue that this is not about rules being breeched. The licence was refused on the grounds that three concerts had already taken place. Why do you think that the council mentioned the three concerts having already taken place when they refused the license and in their statements during the week? For the craic? It's the whole fact that the Bord Pleanala rules have been breached that has led to this decision based on the fact that it would cause an over-intensification for the residents were they to allow them to go ahead.

So how did they grant a licence for three more concerts, if BP rules were breached (let's ignore the fact that they actually weren't)

Joe Duffy.. · 06-07-2014 05:34PM

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ardle1 · 06-07-2014 05:45PM

Ok, lets just say(for talks sake)that the only people livid and infuriated about this decision are the actual ticket holders, and maybe 4 immediate family ok..... Just say over 350,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... Now for those people alone and for Humanitarian(I know a bit over the top for some off you)reasons! The two nights should be reinstated.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 05:53PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Ok, lets just say(for talks sake)that the only people livid and infuriated about this decision are the actual ticket holders, and maybe 4 immediate family ok..... Just say over 350,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... Now for those people alone and for 'humanitary'(I know a bit over the top for some off you)reasons! The two nights should be reinstated.

Going to see Garth Brooks is not a human right.

Humanity is helping those seriously disadvantaged through no fault of their own (famine, hurricane, war etc)

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 05:53PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Ok, lets just say(for talks sake)that the only people livid and infuriated about this decision are the actual ticket holders, and maybe 4 immediate family ok..... Just say over 350,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... Now for those people alone and for Humanitarian(I know a bit over the top for some off you)reasons! The two nights should be reinstated.

Humanitarian reasons? seriously?

Red Nissan · 06-07-2014 05:54PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Just say over 300,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... .

I believe that the figure is 420, 000 and ticket sales make it between 29 and 32 million Euro. It's typical to treble that figure for impact figures.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 05:55PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Ok, lets just say(for talks sake)that the only people livid and infuriated about this decision are the actual ticket holders, and maybe 4 immediate family ok..... Just say over 350,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... Now for those people alone and for 'humanitary'(I know a bit over the top for some off you)reasons! The two nights should be reinstated.

Nope!
That would just encourage Aiken, the GAA and other greedy bástards to do this again and again.
In any case the DCC decision cannot be reviewed, rescinded, or appealed so the point is moot.
And by the way not seeing GB live is not a humanitarian disaster, famine is, hurricanes and tsunami are, this is not!

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 05:56PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I believe that the figure is 420, 000 and ticket sales make it between 29 and 32 million Euro. It's typical to treble that figure for impact figures.

420,000 people have tickets for the 2 nights that didn't get a license? That's some squeeze.

JRant · 06-07-2014 05:58PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Ok, lets just say(for talks sake)that the only people livid and infuriated about this decision are the actual ticket holders, and maybe 4 immediate family ok..... Just say over 350,000 people ok yeah.... So that's not counting us(outsiders)..... Now for those people alone and for Humanitarian(I know a bit over the top for some off you)reasons! The two nights should be reinstated.

You never finished your equation though.

Once you arrive at the number above, 350,000 give or take, you need to subtract from that the number who's opinions matter on whether a license is granted or not. Is this case you get ZERO.

So no, the 2 nights should not be reinstated.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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