Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Fred Swanson · 06-07-2014 03:38PM

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secman · 06-07-2014 03:42PM

Thw facts of the matter are that DCC studied the application and taking all planning issues, into account decided on granting licences for 3 further events on top of the 3 permitted under the planning permission granted to GAA
The residents have not actually taken any action as of yet, whilst they did indicate that they had their application to seek an injunction ready to go once the permits issued. They now have to wait and see what the Brooks camp intend doing. The mediator and GAA and DCC are all in agreement that it was wrong to seek 5 concerts on top of the 3 permissable ones. Brooks and Aiken sold the pups and haven't the decency to put their hands up and admit their mistake. The punters are suffering due to Aiken and Brooks especially if he gets all huffy and pulls the 3 granted. The punters ire should be directed at Aiken and Brooks ( unless he puts his toys back in the pram). But the residents may then go for the injunction as these issues are going on a long time, pre Brooks believe it or not.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 03:43PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Well know by the GAA, touts, people that buy off touts..

So, not the bloke down the pub, the bloke outside the pub.

Why else do you think they are demand tickets in such high numbers? Cause they just don't want to miss out?

1 example from 17 years ago? Maybe the people in charge have changed?

They only meet with the official spokespeople for the residents and they are the ones that would not agree with the deal unless the tickets were allocated. You can keep running away from the fact that there residents' group is not whiter than white as much as you like, but it won't make it so.

Never said they where whiter than white, but have they done anything illegal or under the table in relation to Garth Brooks gigs.

Oh I don't know, maybe they have lives to live.

So do the RA's, they still managed a fairly well put together campaign.

I have already said, multiple times now. On the back of concerns strenuously made by the so called residents back in '93.

So called? It also included an amendment that more gigs could be applied for, they applied and we're granted 3 more gigs.

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 03:46PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

What other big artist/band created a DVD, and documentary of Ireland. Try to sell Ireland a bit.

What is he, Bord Failte ? He's not making a DVD of Ireland to sell Ireland, he's filming his gigs to make money for himself.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 03:50PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Rubbish, tried to cash while holding DCC and the state hostage!
Personally I hope he pulls the three other concerts, show him up for the prick that he is!

It's not rubbish and calling Brooks a prick just shows that your opinion is coloured by not being a fan of the guy, as the whole thread is in fact.

Nothing new there mind, as pretty much the first quarter of this thread was just people saying how shit Garth Brooks was.

The guy was good for this country, whether you or anyone else wants to admit that or not. As was said before, one of the four discs in his box-set was exclusively about Ireland and how he rated the audience here the greatest that he ever played to. Fine, he may not have handled what has happened the best, but at least it shows he is hands on and not doing what most artists would do, and speak through their agent with PR speak.

These concerts mean something to him, far and above monetary value. If he was just about money, he would have been making millions selling his music though YouTube, iTunes, Spotify etc over the years, but on principle he has not and that was what fueled his stance on used CDs in the 90s also, before someone raises that again in a nonsense attempt to negate the point that he is far from a money grabber only interested in making a quick buck.

He is a victim of this mess, not a creator of it. Fine the GAA, Aitken and anyone else involved that have broken rules. Ban them from holding gigs for a year, compensate the residents too if needs be and without question, sort out the ludicrous situation that tickets can be sold to the public before licences have been granted but don't penalize ticket holders and the artist here by not letting the five concerts go ahead as that is simply just the wrong way to deal with it.

Steam Roller · 06-07-2014 03:52PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

What is he, Bord Failte ? He's not making a DVD of Ireland to sell Ireland, he's filming his gigs to make money for himself.

He's God

paddyirish23 · 06-07-2014 03:52PM

It just looks bad that aiken dcc croke park everyone involved left it so late to decide and we do look like a laughing stock over this now. A massive star wants to sell Ireland to the world so takes his comeback special to Dublin only to be turned down for nearly half the nights he sold for with less than 3 weeks before the gigs are due to take place
Let's not pretend here it makes Ireland Look like we can't organise a bloody concert no wonder we needed a Bale out
Anyone outside ireland looking in think this?

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 03:55PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Anyone outside ireland looking in think this?

No.

super_furry · 06-07-2014 03:56PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

A massive star wants to sell Ireland to the world so takes his comeback special to Dublin

St Garth of Brooks. We truly are blessed by his benevolence. And he's doing it all for no financial reward whatsoever, right? Right?

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 03:56PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Anyone outside ireland looking in

Only Garth Brooks fans - everyone else doesn't give a toss.

Steam Roller · 06-07-2014 03:57PM

secman wrote: »

Thw facts of the matter are that DCC studied the application and taking all planning issues, into account decided on granting licences for 3 further events on top of the 3 permitted under the planning permission granted to GAA
The residents have not actually taken any action as of yet, whilst they did indicate that they had their application to seek an injunction ready to go once the permits issued. They now have to wait and see what the Brooks camp intend doing. The mediator and GAA and DCC are all in agreement that it was wrong to seek 5 concerts on top of the 3 permissable ones. Brooks and Aiken sold the pups and haven't the decency to put their hands up and admit their mistake. The punters are suffering due to Aiken and Brooks especially if he gets all huffy and pulls the 3 granted. The punters ire should be directed at Aiken and Brooks ( unless he puts his toys back in the pram). But the residents may then go for the injunction as these issues are going on a long time, pre Brooks believe it or not.

They are allowed to apply for more than 3 with a public event licence. Thats in the planning permission also.

Look
http://votemcauliffe.com/concern-raised-as-planning-doubts-hang-over-garth-brooks-concert/

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 04:01PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

He's God

And I'm an atheist.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 04:03PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

They are allowed to apply for more than 3 with a public event licence.

You do realise you have now morphed into EOTR

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 04:06PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

They are allowed to apply for more than 3 with a public event licence. Thats in the planning permission also.

Look
http://votemcauliffe.com/concern-raised-as-planning-doubts-hang-over-garth-brooks-concert/

And DCC is allowed to decline the licences.:P

Amirani · 06-07-2014 04:10PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Let's not pretend here it makes Ireland Look like we can't organise a bloody concert no wonder we needed a Bale out
Anyone outside ireland looking in think this?

Nobody in the UK gives a ****, literally nobody has said anything to me about it. Tuam babies stories and "nation of paedophile lovers" still doing the rounds though. Why isn't there more political upheaval and demand for emergency legislation over this - something that is having an actual negative effect on Ireland's reputation abroad?

tomwaterford · 06-07-2014 04:10PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

It just looks bad that aiken dcc croke park everyone involved left it so late to decide and we do look like a laughing stock over this now. A massive star wants to sell Ireland to the world so takes his comeback special to Dublin only to be turned down for nearly half the nights he sold for with less than 3 weeks before the gigs are due to take place
Let's not pretend here it makes Ireland Look like we can't organise a bloody concert no wonder we needed a Bale out
Anyone outside ireland looking in think this?

why did they not get permission for the concerts before selling the tickets...for once it is not incompetence on behalf of irish planning offials

but arrogance that they assumed they could just rock up into the country and piss alover the local residents....the joys of a large stadium in a residential area;)

that being said...I was surprised it didn't get the go ahead and am intrigued to see will it go ahead now
who is more important...the local resident who live and vote for councillers in Dublin or a aging multi millionare country music fan who hasn't had a song in years and his fans??

Steam Roller wrote: »

They are allowed to apply for more than 3 with a public event licence. Thats in the planning permission also.

Look
http://votemcauliffe.com/concern-raised-as-planning-doubts-hang-over-garth-brooks-concert/

but they haven't got the licence....I am interested to see the compromise they will come to...some extreme arrogance being exposed by all this affair

all in all...if it geos ahead the GAA will have some serious apologizing/ground to make up with the local residents over this

the purple tin · 06-07-2014 04:13PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

It just looks bad that aiken dcc croke park everyone involved left it so late to decide and we do look like a laughing stock over this now. A massive star wants to sell Ireland to the world so takes his comeback special to Dublin only to be turned down for nearly half the nights he sold for with less than 3 weeks before the gigs are due to take place
Let's not pretend here it makes Ireland Look like we can't organise a bloody concert no wonder we needed a Bale out
Anyone outside ireland looking in think this?

Really not getting these daft coments about Ireland being an 'international laughing stock' because of this

I'm sure the entire free world is on the edge of their seats over this debacle :pac:

Arne_Saknussem · 06-07-2014 04:14PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Nobody in the UK gives a ****, literally nobody has said anything to me about it. Tuam babies stories and "nation of paedophile lovers" still doing the rounds though. Why isn't there more political upheaval and demand for emergency legislation over this - something that is having an actual negative effect on Ireland's reputation abroad?

Fat Cowboys always take precedence

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 04:15PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I
Anyone outside ireland looking in think this?

I highly doubt it.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 04:20PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Only Garth Brooks fans - everyone else doesn't give a toss.

Speak for yourself.

One Direction have sold out two nights at Meadowlands in New Jersey this coming Aug 4th and 5th and it's pretty much the same capacity as Croke Park. Lets say, for argument's sake, that they have sold out the previous three nights also. There is not a doubt in my mind, that if I heard that three weeks before those concerts were due to take place, that they have had to refund the ticket holders of the first three concerts due to resident / planning board agreement on the number of concerts allowed to take place there, being broken, that I would not think it was a fcuking calamity of the highest proportions and that the last thing they should be doing is cancelling the gigs.

You do not deal with rule breaches like this. You fine the parties involved. You compensate whoever it is felt has been put out by it, you change the legislation so that tickets can not be sold until planning permission has been granted but what you don't do is try and roll back the wheels of something of this size after they have been set in motion, as you then just cause a disproportionate amount of hassle for people who, through no fault of their own, are left with booked hotel rooms, flights, taken time off from work and that's before you get to the people that have been hired to make these five concerts take place in seamless fashion. The logistics of the whole thing might even mean that scaling it down to just three gigs is financially unfeasible and this is all going to happen for what really just amount to bureaucratic reasons and red tape. It truly is a farce and if another way is not found to deal with these rule breaches, that don't involve inconveniencing almost half a million people, then yes, we will be judged for that. Of course we bloody will.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 04:29PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Speak for yourself.

One Direction have sold out two nights at Meadowlands in New Jersey this coming Aug 4th and 5th and it's pretty much the same capacity as Croke Park. Lets say, for argument's sake, that they have sold out the previous three nights also. There is not a doubt in my mind, that if I heard that three weeks before those concerts were due to take place, that they have had to refund the ticket holders of the first three concerts due to resident / planning board agreement on the number of concerts allowed to take place there, being broken, that I would not think it was a fcuking calamity of the highest proportions and that the last thing they should be doing is cancelling the gigs.

You do not deal with rule breaches like this. You fine the parties involved. You compensate whoever it is felt has been put out by it but what you don't do is try and roll back the wheels of something of this size after they have been set in motion, as you then just cause a disproportionate amount of hassle for people who, through no fault of their own, are left with booked hotel rooms, flights, taken time off from work and that's before you get to the people that have been hired to make these five concerts take place in seamless fashion. The logistics of the whole thing might even mean that scaling it down to just three gigs is financially unfeasible and this is all going to happen for what really just amount to bureaucratic reasons and red tape. It truly is a farce and if another way is not found to deal with these rule breaches, that don't involve inconveniencing almost half a million people, then yes, we will be judged for that. Of course we bloody will.

1) http://bunewsservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/superbowl2014-1024x576.jpg

This the metlife/meadowlands. Not exactly comparable to croke park now is it?

2) I'll say this slowly DCC..Did..not..inconvenience...400,000....fans....,they...legally...refused...2...licenses.

If...the.other...240,000...fans...are...inconvenienced...IT IS GARTHS FAULT

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 04:29PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

You do not deal with rule breaches like this. You fine the parties involved. You compensate whoever it is felt has been put out by it, you change the legislation so that tickets can not be sold until planning permission has been granted but what you don't do is try and roll back the wheels of something of this size after they have been set in motion, as you then just cause a disproportionate amount of hassle for people who, through no fault of their own, are left with booked hotel rooms, flights, taken time off from work and that's before you get to the people that have been hired to make these five concerts take place in seamless fashion. The logistics of the whole thing might even mean that scaling it down to just three gigs is financially unfeasible and this is all going to happen for what really just amount to bureaucratic reasons and red tape. It truly is a farce and if another way is not found to deal with these rule breaches, that don't involve inconveniencing almost half a million people, then yes, we will be judged for that. Of course we bloody will.

That would bring a tear to a dry eye.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 04:32PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

That would bring a tear to a dry glass eye.

FYP.

muddypaws · 06-07-2014 04:42PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

You do not deal with rule breaches like this. You fine the parties involved. You compensate whoever it is felt has been put out by it, you change the legislation so that tickets can not be sold until planning permission has been granted but what you don't do is try and roll back the wheels of something of this size after they have been set in motion, as you then just cause a disproportionate amount of hassle for people who, through no fault of their own, are left with booked hotel rooms, flights, taken time off from work and that's before you get to the people that have been hired to make these five concerts take place in seamless fashion. The logistics of the whole thing might even mean that scaling it down to just three gigs is financially unfeasible and this is all going to happen for what really just amount to bureaucratic reasons and red tape. It truly is a farce and if another way is not found to deal with these rule breaches, that don't involve inconveniencing almost half a million people, then yes, we will be judged for that. Of course we bloody will.

There hasn't been a rule breach

A licence was applied for, a legal decision has been made about it, following all the rules.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 04:47PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

1)This the metlife/meadowlands. Not exactly comparable to croke park now is it?

What are you waffling about?

They both have pretty much the same capacity, that is why I used it as an example. I am not saying they have the same sort of residential concerns ffs. I am saying if they did and they cancelled three 1D concerts three weeks before they were due to take place, after tickets have been sold to the public and the planning for the concerts was in full swing, that I would without question think it a calamity that they yet still felt cancelling the concerts to be the appropriate action to take for putting on the concerts above agreed limits.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 04:50PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

What are you waffling about?

They have the same capacity, that's why I used it as an example. I am not saying they have the same sort of residential concerns ffs. I am saying if they did and they cancelled three 1D concerts three weeks before they were due to take place, after tickets have been sold to the public and the planning for the concerts was in full swing, that I would without question think it a calamity that they yet still felt cancelling the concerts to be the appropriate action to take for the rule breeches.

Why are you waffling about rule breaches and punishments?
DCC has declined to grant a licence for two concerts as is their right, the promoter chose to leave it as late as possible to apply for the licences and sold tickets without having them in place, your gripe should be with him.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 04:52PM

muddypaws wrote: »

There hasn't been a rule breach A licence was applied for, a legal decision has been made about it, following all the rules.

LOL.

The legal decision was made based on the bloody rule breeches and yet you say: "There hasn't been a rule breach".

Gas.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 04:53PM

I don't think the licences were refused because or rule breaches. They were refused because the applications didn't tick all the required boxes.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 04:55PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

LOL.

The legal decision was made based on the bloody rule breeches and yet you say: "There hasn't been a rule breach".

Gas.

Try reading the actual decision, the licences were not refused because of rule breaches, the reasons are plainly stated in the decision, which can be seen on the DCC website.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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