Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

SoCal MusicLover · 06-07-2014 07:18AM

amkin25 wrote: »

And you my friend are the saddest of the bunch coming to post on boards.ie, what brings you here?

The fact that I have tickets for the Monday & Tuesday concerts, and had planned to fly thousands of miles to see Garth Brooks do his first major concerts in over 15 years.

Plus I figured that someone who is obviously popular enough to sell 400,000 tickets might have something going for him in Ireland. But like I said, aside from a minority of posters here, you would never know that. Where exactly are all the people who queued for tickets to the Monday & Tuesday shows, and are worried that their time was wasted. Obviously they are not posting here, which leaves the lot of you who feel the need to post about something which will have ZERO impact on your lives.

Silly me, I thought that people like myself traveling from far around the world would be welcomed with open arms.

sjb25 · 06-07-2014 07:20AM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

We have plenty of idiots here in the U.S.A. that waste their time posting on message boards as if their lives are somehow being ruined by this or that.

But the fact you Irish seem to have this almighty concern about licenses and rules about # of shows, along with the reasons being stated here, shows that something is very, very wrong.

Honestly, I find it amazing that we are somehow able to live out our lives while still having stadiums that hold large events many times with few, if any, problems. So yeah, perhaps we are more civilized than some of you Irish folk, and as I said, that is pretty sad given that we're not exactly the brightest bulbs in the bunch.

http://youtu.be/MGQaH3-LK54 time for these guys

SoCal MusicLover · 06-07-2014 07:24AM

Royal Irish wrote: »

Murica :rolleyes:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1514966-super-bowl-2013-baltimore-police-responds-to-riots-following-ravens-victory

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/02/02/Seattle-Riots

I NEVER said that there were not idiots here too. Yet we still manage to go on, and I don't see the Ravens or Seahawks stopping holding football games. Somehow we manage to figure things out, and if not, then there are problems. People get arrested and thrown in jail. But again, the games go on, and stadiums don't have to jump through hoops in order to hold an event.

And I hardly think there will be riots from these concerts, so that is a lame kind of comparison. Every society has it's rejects that cause problems, and sporting fans are generally a lot worse than country music fans wearing hats and dressing funny for a few hours.

timetogo · 06-07-2014 07:28AM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

I NEVER said that there were not idiots here too. Yet we still manage to go on, and I don't see the Ravens or Seahawks stopping holding football games. Somehow we manage to figure things out, and if not, then there are problems. People get arrested and thrown in jail. But again, the games go on, and stadiums don't have to jump through hoops in order to hold an event.

And I hardly think there will be riots from these concerts, so that is a lame kind of comparison. Every society has it's rejects that cause problems, and sporting fans are generally a lot worse than country music fans wearing hats and dressing funny for a few hours.

Indeed, what you said was

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

but disregard for property by concert or sporting event goers is not one of them

Cantremember · 06-07-2014 07:41AM

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

If this is true arm yourself with an air rifle take the law in your own hand, if some one sticks their parts through your letter box have a gas torch ready to burn it, electrify your premises.
Fight fire with fire, ringing Joe Duffey the following day wont solve the problem.

Ya can't fight p**s with fire. Fire would go out. Unless he was drunk but than he could turn into a flamethrower.

SoCal MusicLover · 06-07-2014 07:52AM

timetogo wrote: »

Indeed, what you said was

Fair enough. But that only happens when one of our teams wins a championship. Certainly the same happens in Europe from time to time.

But honestly, for the regular sporting event or concert, other than the minor problem with certain drunk A&*holes, I hardly ever hear of people doing the things some are claiming happen around Croke Park whenever a concert is held. I can guarantee that when Garth tours the U.S., you will see venues begging for him to play, because they know the revenue it will bring in, and there certainly won't be stories about residents around the arenas/stadiums complaining like seems to be happening over a couple of extra concert dates.

amkin25 · 06-07-2014 07:55AM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

Fair enough. But that only happens when one of our teams wins a championship. Certainly the same happens in Europe from time to time.

But honestly, for the regular sporting event or concert, other than the minor problem with certain drunk A&*holes, I hardly ever hear of people doing the things some are claiming happen around Croke Park whenever a concert is held. I can guarantee that when Garth tours the U.S., you will see venues begging for him to play, because they know the revenue it will bring in, and there certainly won't be stories about residents around the arenas/stadiums complaining like seems to be happening over a couple of extra concert dates.

Just keep him there then and tour around the US after him please.

Podge83 · 06-07-2014 08:18AM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

You Irish people are a Sick, Sick bunch. Perhaps all of you complaining about the total disregard for your property by Croke Park attendees, should look at your fellow Irish citizen.

Here in America, we have lots of problems to be sure, but disregard for property by concert or sporting event goers is not one of them. New Orleans has Jazz Fest every year, with people around the race track where it's held having an absolute blast. Some hold barbecues in their front lawn. Others sell parking spots on their driveways. Same with Mardi Gras, and there is a whole lot of drinking going on for that.

Same goes with stadiums. The Rose Bowl & Coliseum in LA are the same whenever a sporting event or concert is held. They each host many college football games, complete with inebriated college students attending, but you never hear a single thing about a lack of decorum. Sure, people have to walk the street before and after the event, but locals just deal with it. We're talking a few times a year out of 365 days in the year.

All this talk by you posters is just going to show that the Irish are a bunch of drunken animals with no regard for decency or respect. What amazes me is that with all the bars you guys have, and all the drinking that goes on every single night of the year there in Dublin, that the residents near the bars downtown are able to live their lives without constant disruption. I guess the crazies only come out for concerts there, and just stay at home the rest of the year. Sad society you folks have, very sad. And coming from an American, that's saying something, because we're not exactly the best of the bunch, but we're certainly better than that.

Beware, some sections of these folks are "the roughest type of fcuking animals you could ever deal with" I quote one of the late great managers of one of our top sporting teams.

If I was you I'd be thankful for your escape!!!!

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 08:54AM

amkin25 wrote: »

Just keep him there then and tour around the US after him please.

This attitude to tourists to our country is shameful

kitchenkid · 06-07-2014 09:03AM

How can the city manager grant permission for any concerts as the limit is 3 p a according to reports and the three have been held for 1D already in 2014? It is like saying he can grant permission for a 4 storey house even though the outline permission was for a two storey!!!

I think there are grounds for judicial review all right, but the outcome would be Zero concerts this year.

Otherwise, what was the point of ever introducing a limit of 3 in the initial permission to the GAA.....

I dont care if there are no concerts or one a week, I just think the law should be observed by everyone, and no city manager or concert promoter or warbler should be allowed ignore it.

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 09:04AM

nm wrote: »

This attitude to tourists to our country is shameful

Don't be stupid, he's talking to him as a crap music fan, not a tourist.

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 09:08AM

Cantremember wrote: »

I can't wait for me next big match at Croker. Holding a big dump now for some biddy's 1 metre wide front garden. She may expect the pyramid of poo, never mind the Bertie bowl.

There you go. Good old fashioned Garth fans threatening do what they do best.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 09:17AM

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Don't be stupid, he's talking to him as a crap music fan, not a tourist.

You don't be stupid(er), sending a message to tourists and potential tourists to stay where they are is directly what that poster is doing irrespective of what you think of the music being played.
And more broadly that's probably the message the whole situation is probably sending to the 28,000 or so other tourists that were on the way here for the two cancelled gigs.

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 09:27AM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

You Irish people are a Sick, Sick bunch. Perhaps all of you complaining about the total disregard for your property by Croke Park attendees, should look at your fellow Irish citizen.

Here in America, we have lots of problems to be sure, but disregard for property by concert or sporting event goers is not one of them. New Orleans has Jazz Fest every year, with people around the race track where it's held having an absolute blast. Some hold barbecues in their front lawn. Others sell parking spots on their driveways. Same with Mardi Gras, and there is a whole lot of drinking going on for that.

Same goes with stadiums. The Rose Bowl & Coliseum in LA are the same whenever a sporting event or concert is held. They each host many college football games, complete with inebriated college students attending, but you never hear a single thing about a lack of decorum. Sure, people have to walk the street before and after the event, but locals just deal with it. We're talking a few times a year out of 365 days in the year.

All this talk by you posters is just going to show that the Irish are a bunch of drunken animals with no regard for decency or respect. What amazes me is that with all the bars you guys have, and all the drinking that goes on every single night of the year there in Dublin, that the residents near the bars downtown are able to live their lives without constant disruption. I guess the crazies only come out for concerts there, and just stay at home the rest of the year. Sad society you folks have, very sad. And coming from an American, that's saying something, because we're not exactly the best of the bunch, but we're certainly better than that.

We Irish are a sick, sick bunch? Really?
I'm lost for words at that one, over here we couldn't reach the levels of depravity seen in America if we actually tried to, but that has nothing to do with the discussion here.

Also, as someone else replied to you earlier, there have been numerous examples of full on riots after sporting events and concerts over on your side of the pond too so you're talking out of your hole on that point too.

Now as far as Croke park is concerned, it's a unique situation, it is smack bang in the middle of several residential areas, it's almost claustrophobic at this stage. Transport to and from it is almost nonexistent. I would speculate that there wouldn't be anything even remotely like it in the states. It's a situation of our own making though and we will deal with it accordingly. Keep your condescending and snide comments to your yourself if you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
Keep Garth Brooks while you're at it to please.
Thank you.

Titzon Toast · 06-07-2014 09:30AM

nm wrote: »

You don't be stupid(er), sending a message to tourists and potential tourists to stay where they are is directly what that poster is doing irrespective of what you think of the music being played.
And more broadly that's probably the message the whole situation is probably sending to the 28,000 or so other tourists that were on the way here for the two cancelled gigs.

Once again, he is talking to him as a music fan. He never said one bad word against tourists. Are you playing with the full deck?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 09:58AM

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Once again, he is talking to him as a music fan. He never said one bad word against tourists. Are you playing with the full deck?

Excellent argument, repeating the same thing you just said. :rolleyes:

He is telling a Garth Brooks fan to stay in the USA and only see the artist in the USA, stay away from Ireland.
Can you honestly not wrap your head around how that is directed at a tourist?

humanji · 06-07-2014 10:05AM

Stop with the pretty instults.

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 10:13AM

Pretty awful article in the SINDO, reads like it was written by someone here given its 'impartiality'. Also I don't think people will be using that former LRC stooge Mulvey as an 'impartial' mediator anymore.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/no-plan-to-enact-emergency-laws-to-save-garth-brooks-five-concerts-at-croker-30409384.html

Faolchu · 06-07-2014 10:14AM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

You Irish people are a Sick, Sick bunch. Perhaps all of you complaining about the total disregard for your property by Croke Park attendees, should look at your fellow .

You the same muppet from planet garth calling us all yahoos and telling us all to have another Guinness?

We make you sick? Well at least we haven't made a hobby of shooting kids in school. Or handing goods to anyone that wants one while they do their grocery shopping in Walmart.

No go have another riot because your team lost

Tigger · 06-07-2014 10:17AM

humanji wrote: »

Stop with the pretty instults.

Lol

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 10:25AM

Tigger wrote: »

Lol

You ALL have lovely bottoms.

Billgirlylegs · 06-07-2014 10:26AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It's gas how pointing out that these people chose to live beside an 80,000 seater stadium draws the ire of the anti-concert side.

Because it's the salient point.

You chose to live there and you're shocked / annoyed when they put events on?

The residents are holding out for a payoff.

Do you realise what is involved in buying a house?
Finding a suitable one, finding out you can afford it?
Putting in an offer on it and having it accepted?
Going through delays and cobblers while bankers and solicitors carry on with all sorts of delay or what appears to be incompetence?
Finally getting in the place?
Getting your stuff in?

Before all that, you also have to bear in mind that you live beside a "national stadium" and, sure what is the harm to have a few concerts there.

This controversy arises over concerts. Each time the limit is pushed. The "holding out for a payoff" mob agree to a compromise and are assured that this will not happen again.

I don't blame them for kicking up - I think they have been most accommodating.
The promoters / Croke Park mob are treating them as fools.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 10:28AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Pretty awful article in the SINDO, reads like it was written by someone here given its 'impartiality'. Also I don't think people will be using that former LRC stooge Mulvey as an 'impartial' mediator anymore.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/no-plan-to-enact-emergency-laws-to-save-garth-brooks-five-concerts-at-croker-30409384.html

Some interesting info in there all the same..

"Most residents wanted a compromise but there were some hardliners represented that just wanted no concert ever," said Mr Mulvey.

Not surprising, that's probably a few of the posters here he's referring to.

A spokesperson for the new group said: "There is a so-called spokesperson representing the residents and we don't know him and we have never met him.

"He is not from the area so we want to highlight the fact that he is not representing us."

Not surprising either really. Every pub, restaurant, shop and hotel in the area must be fuming at the loss of business. They could not have been involved and obviously weren't represented.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 10:43AM

The ironic thing is that earlier on in the debate the pro-GB crowd were saying the objectors were only after money. Now the residents in favour of the concerts have come out and said "Yes, we want the money" but nothing's been said.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 10:46AM

The facts as things stand:
The decision of Dublin City Council cannot be rescinded, reviewed, or appealed.
The Government have stated they will not intervene.
Any new application for a licence must be made at least 10 weeks before an event can be held.
Consequently the ball is in Aiken and Brooks court, they can have three concerts or no concerts, its up to them and them alone.

osarusan · 06-07-2014 10:50AM

Reformed Character wrote: »

The facts as things stand:
The decision of Dublin City Council cannot be rescinded, reviewed, or appealed.
The Government have stated they will not intervene.
Any new application for a licence must be made at least 10 weeks before an event can be held.
Consequently the ball is in Aiken and Brooks court, they can have three concerts or no concerts, its up to them and them alone.

And seeing as how the first and third facts were known already, and the second was always extraordinarily unlikely, Brooks' bluff was very badly planned.

Umaro · 06-07-2014 10:54AM

90% of the stuff in that Sindo article is garbage. If you avoid reading such rubbish, then eventually you'll stop talking it too

They make a big point of referencing how the chairman of the Croke Park Streets Committee is Tipp-born and lives in Castleknock. He's not the one making decisions, he's the chairman arranging votes and motions from the residents. He could be based in Somalia for how relevant it is, as long as he's doing his job of bringing residents concerns to the DCC.

I hope to God the DCC don't back down now. They've done a great job of standing up to the "it'll be grand" Celtic Tiger entitled gangsters that want to push this through and screw what the locals want.

3 concerts is still 3 more than was originally agreed. Never forget the GAA went back on their word to create this whole mess.

Santa Cruz · 06-07-2014 10:56AM

Umaro wrote: »

90% of the stuff in that Sindo article is garbage. If you avoid reading such rubbish, then eventually you'll stop talking it too

They make a big point of referencing how the chairman of the Croke Park Streets Committee is Tipp-born and lives in Castleknock. He's not the one making decisions, he's the chairman arranging votes and motions from the residents. He could be based in Somalia for how relevant it is, as long as he's doing his job of bringing residents concerns to the DCC.

I hope to God the DCC don't back down now. They've done a great job of standing up to the "it'll be grand" Celtic Tiger entitled gangsters that want to push this through and screw what the locals want.

3 concerts is still 3 more than was originally agreed. Never forget the GAA went back on their word to create this whole mess.

How did they go back on their word?

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 11:02AM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

How did they go back on their word?

The reached an agreement with the residents in 2009 that no more than three concerts a year would be held.
That has been well linked to already in this thread, and the GAA acknowledge such an agreement was indeed reached.

goz83 · 06-07-2014 11:12AM

Steam Roller wrote: »

Only last week a field of cows escaped and came into our yard, ate our grass and massive sh!tes all over the place.

The farmer got his cows, left the cow sh!te. Hasnt been a drop of rain to wash the sh!te away. And we're not complaining. These are things you just have to get on with living in the country.

Thats some good ole fertiliser to grow the grass they ate

Faolchu wrote: »

You the same muppet from planet garth calling us all yahoos and telling us all to have another Guinness?

We make you sick? Well at least we haven't made a hobby of shooting kids in school. Or handing goods to anyone that wants one while they do their grocery shopping in Walmart.

No go have another riot because your team lost

They also riot when they win

And to be fair, nobody is gonna be reporting poos in gardens when people are getting stabbed in the chest by fellow rioters.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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