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SSM Referendum Spring 2015

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  • #1382
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    That's your opinion and although it may be the opinion of the majority of people here, it still isn't the opinion of everybody.

    I have my opinion, I don't preach homophobia, I don't hate homosexuality and I don't try to throw my opinion down other peoples throats.

    Am I a bad person because on my moral compass homosexuality doesn't sit right with me?

    Aw. You just haven't met the right gay yet.


  • #1383
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    Muise... wrote: »
    Aw. You just haven't met the right gay yet.

    Think you are being a bit too precious there sister.


  • #1384
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Am I a bad person because on my moral compass homosexuality doesn't sit right with me?

    The answer to that is the same as if you would actively prevent it. By forcing people to follow your moral compass you are throwing your opinion down other peoples throats.


  • #1385
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    That's your opinion and although it may be the opinion of the majority of people here, it still isn't the opinion of everybody.

    Yes, it is my opinion that homosexuality or gay people marrying isn't immoral. If you can make declarative statements that it is immoral, then the rest of us can do the same to the contrary.
    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    I have my opinion, I don't preach homophobia, I don't hate homosexuality and I don't try to throw my opinion down other peoples throats.

    Nobody has said you do any of the above.

    FYI, the whole preemptive martydom thing is a very tough trick to pull off and should only be left to professionals. Especially when you claim not to "hate" homosexuality, but insist that it's unnatural and contrary to evolution.
    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Am I a bad person because on my moral compass homosexuality doesn't sit right with me?

    The question is why does homosexuality not sit right with you.


  • #1386
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    By forcing people to follow your moral compass you are throwing your opinion down other peoples throats.

    But I'm not


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  • #1387
    The Diabolical Monocle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    Dunno much about it.


    If its passed does that mean churches HAVE to allow two same sex people to get married in the church ?


  • #1388
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    That's your opinion and although it may be the opinion of the majority of people here, it still isn't the opinion of everybody.

    I have my opinion, I don't preach homophobia, I don't hate homosexuality and I don't try to throw my opinion down other peoples throats.

    Am I a bad person because on my moral compass homosexuality doesn't sit right with me?

    You're no different to those who wanted black people to sit at the back of the bus and for the races to remain segregated.


  • #1389
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    But I'm not

    Then you arent a bad person. Anyone can think all sorts of things, its when you expect other people to follow them without choice that they become a problem. Like in this case a person can be against SSM but then by voting no they are saying their opinion is more important and they become a "bad person".


  • #1390
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    Dunno much about it.


    If its passed does that mean churches HAVE to allow two same sex people to get married in the church ?

    No.

    It's a civil marriage, purely a matter of the state, not religion.


  • #1391
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    Dunno much about it.


    If its passed does that mean churches HAVE to allow two same sex people to get married in the church ?

    Nope. Churches are already free to pick and choose who they marry and that won't change when gay people can marry. The Constitution already gives them that protection.


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  • #1392
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    That's your opinion and although it may be the opinion of the majority of people here, it still isn't the opinion of everybody.

    I have my opinion, I don't preach homophobia, I don't hate homosexuality and I don't try to throw my opinion down other peoples throats.

    Am I a bad person because on my moral compass homosexuality doesn't sit right with me?

    I wouldn't call you a bad person, you can't change the way you feel anymore than the rest of us can but I think you need to be a bit more open minded and look at the bigger picture. We all have our own moral compass but we have a choice. We can force that on everyone else and make them live according to our values or we can be a bigger person and accept that while we might not agree with it everyone has the right to live their lives according to their view or right and wrong.


  • #1393
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    Dunno much about it.


    If its passed does that mean churches HAVE to allow two same sex people to get married in the church ?

    No it doesn't, but that's how people will try and spin it.

    This has nothing to do with religion, just like divorce shouldn't have anything to with religion, but people did try to impose a religious belief on it when that came to vote.


  • #1394
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    FYI, the whole preemptive martydom thing is a very tough trick to pull off and should only be left to professionals.

    Thanks for the talking down. I wasn't trying to pull off any tricks but if I do bump in a "Professional Preemptive Martyr" I'll ask if they give some lectures
    NuMarvel wrote:
    Especially when you claim not to "hate" homosexuality, but insist that it's unnatural and contrary to evolution.
    Can the two not be mutually exclusive?
    NuMarvel wrote:
    The question is why does homosexuality not sit right with you.
    No specific reason or set of reasons.


  • #1395
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    So would the terms:


    You seem like a disgruntled Jugendschutzer.

    I don't think that spelling is correct but however.but are those terms anymore derogatory than calling a "homosexual" a queer?


  • #1396
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    You're no different to those who wanted black people to sit at the back of the bus and for the races to remain segregated.

    So you are comparing me to a racist?


  • #1397
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    fran17 wrote: »
    I don't think that spelling is correct but however.but are those terms anymore derogatory than calling a "homosexual" a queer?

    A bit more than calling someone a bigot, homophobe or hypocrite.


  • #1398
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    Dunno much about it.


    If its passed does that mean churches HAVE to allow two same sex people to get married in the church ?
    No

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1399
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    So you are comparing me to a racist?

    I take it you agree that inter-racial marriage is acceptable ?


  • #1400
    The Diabolical Monocle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    Nope. Churches are already free to pick and choose who they marry and that won't change when gay people can marry. The Constitution already gives them that protection.

    Grand then, fvck it. Dont see what the big deal is about.


  • #1401
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    So you are comparing me to a racist?

    Well people don't choose to be gay or straight no differently to the fact that people don't choose to have black or white skin. That is where the racism/homophobia analogy comes into play.


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  • #1402
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    fran17 wrote: »
    I don't think that spelling is correct but however.but are those terms anymore derogatory than calling a "homosexual" a queer?

    What, "fag hag" and "gay boy"? Well, they're still derogatory.


  • #1403
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    marienbad wrote: »
    I take it you agree that inter-racial marriage is acceptable ?

    If I didn't then would that automatically make me a racist? Hypothetical question.


  • #1404
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    If I didn't then would that automatically make me a racist? Hypothetical question.

    Yes it would


  • #1405
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    So you are comparing me to a racist?

    Well, take from it what you will, but people like that had the same mindset. It was unnatural and didn't sit right with them too. There's no distinction, really.


  • #1406
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    marienbad wrote: »
    Yes it would

    So the fact that I don't agree with SSM but have no hate with homosexuality automatically makes me homophobic?


  • #1407
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    What, "fag hag" and "gay boy"? Well, they're still derogatory.

    "Sure there's no harm in that, get over it. Just don't you ever call us a homophobe!! That shít is NOT on! :mad:"


  • #1408
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    So the fact that I don't agree with SSM but have no hate with homosexuality automatically makes me homophobic?

    Do you disagree with inter-racial marriage ?


  • #1409
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    So the fact that I don't agree with SSM but have no hate with homosexuality automatically makes me homophobic?

    Back in the 50s people thought the same thing. Nothing against it, they just still didn't want the races mixing.

    I don't know how you don't see the similarity here.

    Would you not call them racist?


  • #1410
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    marienbad wrote: »
    Do you disagree with inter-racial marriage ?

    No.


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  • #1411
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    No.

    So why do you disagree with SSM ?


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