video of an Irish teen performing 24 sex acts for a free cocktail gone viral

Smidge · 05-07-2014 02:15AM

magentis wrote: »

Its all disgraceful.

Well some more disgraceful than others. Did you lose your mind for a second?
I mean to post that.......to what end?

B.A._Baracus · 05-07-2014 02:25AM

Frito wrote: »

I still think the vitriol directed at her is hypocritical.

I wouldn't do what she did, nor would I have allowed a teenager who had been drinking to perform a sex act on me, nor would I stand around and watch a group of people do this, nor would I encourage this behaviour by plying people with alcohol.

Yet it's largely her behaviour only that is subject to public scrutiny.

Tangentially, Michael Gove might want to consider a better business and economics curriculum in schools to avoid future mishaps. 24 blowjobs for a cocktail? Should've insisted on a written contract with clear terms.

She was the one willing to do it and she did so without problem.
Don't get me wrong... those lads are assholes. I mean, sticking your knob in someones mouth seconds after its been around a dozen (or what ever number) of other guys cocks? .... no thank you :pac:

Fact is fact that she chose to do it. There was no gun to her head. It's not like 24 guys forced her.

Smidge · 05-07-2014 02:33AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

She was the one willing to do it and she did so without problem.
Don't get me wrong... those lads are assholes. I mean, sticking your knob in someones mouth seconds after its been around a dozen (or what ever number) of other guys cocks? .... no thank you :pac:

Fact is fact that she chose to do it. There was no gun to her head. It's not like 24 guys forced her.

Hope you never have daughters B.A
All very well to judge a very young womans actions and brand her. The game changes when its "your daughter" who makes a royal mistake.

magentis · 05-07-2014 02:39AM

Smidge wrote: »

Hope you never have daughters B.A
All very well to judge a very young womans actions and brand her. The game changes when its "your daughter" who makes a royal mistake.

Ah come on now smidge you just wanna be number 25.

Smidge · 05-07-2014 02:41AM

magentis wrote: »

Ah come on now smidge you just wanna be number 25.

Go home magentis, you're drunk

magentis · 05-07-2014 02:43AM

Fair point

B.A._Baracus · 05-07-2014 02:57AM

Smidge wrote: »

Hope you never have daughters B.A
All very well to judge a very young womans actions and brand her. The game changes when its "your daughter" who makes a royal mistake.

Wake up. We are all responsible for our own actions.
If I decided to run through Dame Street wearing sweet feck all... and said mobile cam footage uploaded online bit me in the ass. Well who is to blame!? ... you'd say me right and i fecking know you would.

FFS. She took 24 cocks in her mouth publicly. Not in some hotel room. Not even in some back alley. What do you honestly think was going to happen? that someone (and I must add some jerk) wouldnt take out their phone and record and upload?

Smidge · 05-07-2014 03:13AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Wake up. We are all responsible for our own actions.
If I decided to run through Dame Street wearing sweet feck all... and said mobile cam footage uploaded online bit me in the ass. Well who is to blame!? ... you'd say me right and i fecking know you would.

FFS. She took 24 cocks in her mouth publicly. Not in some hotel room. Not even in some back alley. What do you honestly think was going to happen? that someone (and I must add some jerk) wouldnt take out their phone and record and upload?

I make no excuse for her actions. It was utterly stupid and highly degrading for ALL involved. What I can't stand is the backlash against her. She made a major error in judgement most likely due to drink. But for people to hold her in sole responsibility for the entire debacle and to say "Well, what man is going to refuse a blow job(which technically it wasn't)" is laughable.
And to say the person who uploaded it is a jerk?
I would say they are a morally reprehensible plonker

thomur · 05-07-2014 03:33AM

Saw the same inTemple Bar tonight

B.A._Baracus · 05-07-2014 04:01AM

Smidge wrote: »

I make no excuse for her actions. It was utterly stupid and highly degrading for ALL involved. What I can't stand is the backlash against her. She made a major error in judgement most likely due to drink. But for people to hold her in sole responsibility for the entire debacle and to say "Well, what man is going to refuse a blow job(which technically it wasn't)" is laughable.
And to say the person who uploaded it is a jerk?
I would say they are a morally reprehensible plonker

See all those blokes in the video ... all wankers. I mean what bloke with a head on his shoulders would stick his knob in someones mouth, after so many knobs have been in there seconds previous.

But I still don't get why you question the backlash towards her. Are we meant to call her a saint? A sweet girl? Say that the "demon alcohol" made her do it?

I have made mistakes. As I am sure you had. But those mistakes are our own fault. But I must pose this question to you. In your mistakes were you stupid enough to do them publicly were someone could record?

Crann na Beatha · 05-07-2014 04:16AM

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hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2014 04:32AM

EyeSight wrote: »

As awful as that girl was. She wasn't "suck 24 dicks for a drink" awful.
She was extremely well protected here though

Are you serious? She was a snob and abused other people with smears. The woman in this case didn't do anything to hurt anyone else, unlike KPMG girl who set out to insult people.

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2014 04:40AM

Magaggie wrote: »

Patrick, in the world you'd like, people should have the right to be of the opinion that someone has been exploited.

How can someone be "exploited" if they consent to take part in something and enjoy it? Let me ask you something, if I as a man chose to take part in a game involving going down on 24 women in a nightclub, would you regard me as having been exploited? Because I can tell you right now that I sure as hell wouldn't, and if anyone knows of such a club I'll happily take PMs

You want her to feel exploited because you would feel exploited, and you are incapable (through no fault of your own) of seeing this through any other lense. As someone who wouldn't feel exploited if the genders were reversed and I was her, I'm not in fact assuming anything - maybe she feels exploited and maybe she doesn't, but I don't see any logical reason to assume she does, based on the evidence at hand.

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2014 04:44AM

Candie wrote: »

You're doing some projecting of your own here. You want to see this through the filter of your own mores, but don't want to afford other people the same right.

If you think this whole saga happened in a vacuum, you're very myopic.

If that girl wanted to blow off 100 guys in public, and was happy to consider and accept the life-ruining consequences for her and the fallout her family would face, then I'll support her right to do that every Friday night of her life. Saturdays too, if she wasn't plied with drink and egged on in an orchestrated group humiliation.

She does have a right to her own decisions, even if they're bad ones. But stupid people are manipulated into bad decisions all the time.

This is only a "bad" decision in your mind because you disapprove of it, and because of society's reaction to it. The life-ruining consequences and te fallout for her family are not a result of the act itself, but of a society which regards it as its right to impose a set of values on the entire population and shame anyone who chooses not to adhere to it. This is far more sickening to me than any sex act would ever be.

Mad4simmental · 05-07-2014 04:47AM

Good girl,

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2014 04:53AM

miss no stars wrote: »

I think it's sad that someone can grow up so insecure and with so little respect for themselves as to do that.

Wild assumptions with absolutely no evidence to back them up.

And cut the liberal BS, if sexual acts weren't intimate and weren't damaging in situations where full consent isn't given then there'd be no criminal offences related to them.

I never suggested that non consensual sex was ok, but I don't believe anything consensual can be wrong.

Is this what you'd want for your sister? Your daughter?

The act or the reaction? If they're adults and they enjoy it then I'd have no problem with the act. The shaming would piss me off though just as it pisses me off here.

I think it's an outrage that 1. She thought it was okay to do

Specifically, why shouldn't it be?

2. The society we live in is so disrespectful of women that she thought it was an okay thing to do

Again making assumptions about her motives. Also are you saying that if a guy went down on 24 women you'd have less of a problem with it? There's the slut/stud double standard, which I find equally as repulsive as the shaming of people like this woman.

3. people thought it was okay to film and post online

Agree 100%. Posting a film of someone without consent is f*cked up.

and 4. that people castigate teenagers for bad decisions. Teenagers are masters of poor decision making!

She's 18 and therefore an adult. I put it to you again that if an 18 year old man did something like this, there wouldn't be anything even remotely close to this amount of infantilising going on - nobody would be calling him a "boy" for a start, nor alleging that he doesn't have agency!

Silly girl.

Wow, condescending, sexist and infantilising all rolled into one two-word sentence. If I wasn't busy retching I'd clap.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 05-07-2014 06:36AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I watched the video and saw a young woman making a fool of herself for others amusement and some sad men copping some female contact.

So the girl is just foolish but the men are "sad"?

I don't know how many people were in that room, but I'd like to think if I was there I'd be compelled to tell her to cop the **** on and have a bit of self respect.

All you are doing is shaming this girl and more often than not, it tends to be other women that shame girls when they behave in similar ways. What it has to do with other women is beyond me and how do you know she lacks self respect? You don't know the first thing about her. She might have more respect for herself than you have for yourself. If this was a lad dared to suck 24 boobs in a club, would you assume he had no respect for himself? Nah, I'm guessing the focus would still be on the women and how they must have no respect if the would all let some strange lad suck their boobs.

Candie wrote: »

I wish people would stop making this about sex. Sex is a fun and pleasurable thing. This was an act of degradation and humiliation using a sex act as a means to that end.

This girl wasn't one bit 'degraded' or 'humiliated' in that club. She jumped from one lad to the next with great gusto and even motioned to two lads with her hands and her eyes for them to get their lads out that were standing there looking as if they were not about to. She doesn't even appear drunk. Her eyes are clear and she has a broad smile in one or two sections of the clip.

I applaud people condemning the sending of the footage to her family and friends and also of the abuse which has been directed at her online, but I have to say I also feel this nonsense suggesting she has no respect for herself is equally as abusive. Reminds me of a girl in the states two years ago who had group sex with some football players and when she told her friends about it, they made her feel awful by saying that now everyone would now see her as a slut and that she shouldn't have done it, rather than standing by her and saying 'fcuk what other's think'. The shame of people whispering about her and similar such talk (as is happening here) about how she must have no respect for herself, ended with her taking her life by jumping in front of a train.

In short: if you happen to *think* this girl (or these lads) have no respect for themselves, maybe keep it to yourself, as your negative opinions / assumptions about what these harmless actions suggest about them, with regards to how much they do or do not respect themselves, could potentially have some quite serious consequences.

Alternating Current · 05-07-2014 07:42AM

Magaggie wrote: »

Where did I say it's right to ruin the girl's life over it?
I'm just saying it's not "just sex" - nothing more. Not once have I said it was ok to be a **** to her; I've got her back actually - I feel terrible for her.

Not being bland and mundane.

Just because you have lots of casual sex doesn't mean it's bland and mundane sex.

Alternating Current · 05-07-2014 07:55AM

All this talk of how she "doesn't respect herself" reminds me of a humanities thread about a "sexual cartel" concept.

touch.boards.ie/thread/2057026495/1/#post86252592

sydthebeat · 05-07-2014 08:05AM

As i have often said before, I think my stars that I went through my teenage and really 20's years before phone cameras were ubiquitous.

This kind of stuff has been happening for eons, it's only that now it's worldwide within hours of it happening.

Stupid girl should have known this would happen, it's not as if she's off her face and unaware.

As for the boys, sad, shameful and exploitive if they knew she was being duped.

take everything · 05-07-2014 10:15AM

Candie wrote: »

You're doing some projecting of your own here. You want to see this through the filter of your own mores, but don't want to afford other people the same right.

If you think this whole saga happened in a vacuum, you're very myopic.

If that girl wanted to blow off 100 guys in public, and was happy to consider and accept the life-ruining consequences for her and the fallout her family would face, then I'll support her right to do that every Friday night of her life. Saturdays too, if she wasn't plied with drink and egged on in an orchestrated group humiliation.

She does have a right to her own decisions, even if they're bad ones. But stupid people are manipulated into bad decisions all the time.

Very good post.
I think people on both sides of this debate are hung up on the sex aspect of this.
This is nothing more than a young woman not thinking and have to live with the consequences of her stupidity in the real world (the real world being a world where she may be laughed at and judged, rightly or wrongly).
This is about stupidity and failure to take responsibility for possible consequences not sex.

Also the meaninglessness of sex thing, if this is true isn't it only logical that any fallout from this would be more meaningless for her. In other words she'll probably get over it. Doesn't stop some people judging or laughing at her.

LETHAL LADY · 05-07-2014 11:42AM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

So the girl is just foolish but the men are "sad"? All you are doing is shaming this girl and more often than not, it tends to be other women that shame girls when they behave in similar ways. What it has to do with other women is beyond me and how do you know she lacks self respect? You don't know the first thing about her. She might have more respect for herself than you have for yourself. If this was a lad dared to suck 24 boobs in a club, would you assume he had no respect for himself? Nah, I'm guessing the focus would still be on the women and how they must have no respect if the would all let some strange lad suck their boobs.

This girl wasn't one bit 'degraded' or 'humiliated' in that club. She jumped from one lad to the next with great gusto and even motioned to two lads with her hands and her eyes for them to get their lads out that were standing there looking as if they were not about to. She doesn't even appear drunk. Her eyes are clear and she has a broad smile in one or two sections of the clip.

I applaud people condemning the sending of the footage to her family and friends and also of the abuse which has been directed at her online, but I have to say I also feel this nonsense suggesting she has no respect for herself is equally as abusive. Reminds me of a girl in the states two years ago who had group sex with some football players and when she told her friends about it, they made her feel awful by saying that now everyone would now see her as a slut and that she shouldn't have done it, rather than standing by her and saying 'fcuk what other's think'. The shame of people whispering about her and similar such talk as is happening her, about how she must have no respect for herself, ended with her taking her life by jumping in front of a train.

In short: if you happen to *think* this girl (or these lads) have no respect for themselves, maybe keep it to yourself, as your negative opinions / assumptions about what these harmless actions suggest about them, with regards to how much they do or do not respect themselves, could potentially have some quite serious consequences.

I cannot even to begin to imagine how embarrassed she must feel. It's like the ultimate nightmare imo, and I hope she now has the resolve to put this mistake behind her. In the grand scheme of things she didn't kill anyone, but I'm merely stating that if I was there I would have felt the need to protect her from herself and what is now plastered all over the internet.
Like it or lump it she made a fool of herself and now has to live with the consequences of her actions.

Freddie Dodge · 05-07-2014 01:11PM

Guess who'll be putting in a "forget me" request to google..... If you google her name (published on numerous sites) ALL the results refer to the incident.

She could always change her name by deed poll i suppose.

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2014 01:29PM

take everything wrote: »

Very good post.
I think people on both sides of this debate are hung up on the sex aspect of this.
This is nothing more than a young woman not thinking and have to live with the consequences of her stupidity in the real world (the real world being a world where she may be laughed at and judged, rightly or wrongly).
This is about stupidity and failure to take responsibility for possible consequences not sex.

Also the meaninglessness of sex thing, if this is true isn't it only logical that any fallout from this would be more meaningless for her. In other words she'll probably get over it. Doesn't stop some people judging or laughing at her.

So people should constrain their actions because the reality is that society will make their lives hell if they don't?

Let me ask you, would you say the same for a gay person coming out in a community which is hostile towards homosexuality? Should they bend to mob rule and cover up their entirely harmless actions simply because they'll be attacked otherwise?

That sounds very dystopian to me.
I'm honestly surprised that the idea of defying a stupid and pointless social taboo is so alien to many in this thread.

Colinf1212 · 05-07-2014 01:48PM

Irish women... Why am I not surprised? They're such a protected group on these boards for a reason.

People are playing this down in the thread. 24 penises in her mouth. It's gone viral in so many countries it's astonishing (spain, usa, uk). Even Dutch people think she's being a slut which says a lot.

NO, not everyone put 24 penises in their mouth before social media became big. I have seen plenty of Irish women act like idiots abroad though. Probably why so many ITT see themselves in her.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 05-07-2014 01:55PM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

...I'm merely stating that if I was there I would have felt the need to protect her from herself and what is now plastered all over the internet.

Hopefully she would have told you to mind your own business.

Like it or lump it she made a fool of herself and now has to live with the consequences of her actions.

You're projecting you're own standards onto this girl. You haven't one clue about how she would have felt about doing this and had it not have been posted online, she could have most likely been back home lying in bed cheekily grinning to herself of having partially fulfilled one of her sexual fantasies, as without question, being with multiple men is quite a common one for many women.

By suggesting that you would have had a word with her where you there, you're implying two things. One: that she was bound to regret what she did independent of this being posted online and two: that it 100% would be posted online but you couldn't possibly be aware that either of these things were the case. There are literally thousands upon thousands of amateur footage (usually shot with mobile phones) of girls doing similar, and worse is some cases, which have never gone viral. Stuff that, were I to even describe what takes place in them, I would most likely get banned and so there is little if any reason to think that this would become as big as it has.

I also find it odd that you (and most others that are showing concern regarding what occured) seem solely concerned with the girl's virtue here but not with any of the lads. Would you not also not have had a word with some of the guys? If you knew them and suggest they too shouldn't be exposing them themselves (as clearly a few of their faces can be seen).

Seems the usual double standard is at work here, in that the girl is automatically being seen as being taken advantage of. As being victimized and the boys conversely as "sad" perpetrators who willingly "degraded" and "humiliated" a girl. A girl, I might add, who was obviously far far eager than those boys and clearly had to egg many of of them on (not that there is anything wrong with what that) but sure what the hell, lets just ignore that and imply that the boys involved here acted with malice for little or no reason other than the fact that they happen to be boys.

take everything · 05-07-2014 02:37PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So people should constrain their actions because the reality is that society will make their lives hell if they don't?

Let me ask you, would you say the same for a gay person coming out in a community which is hostile towards homosexuality? Should they bend to mob rule and cover up their entirely harmless actions simply because they'll be attacked otherwise?

That sounds very dystopian to me.
I'm honestly surprised that the idea of defying a stupid and pointless social taboo is so alien to many in this thread.

I never said people should restrain their actions to suit society.
She can do what she wants (once it's legal- and she's done nothing illegal).
But she needs to understand the consequences in the real world.
As I say this is about lack of understanding/stupidity nothing else.

Of course she can choose not be bothered about it (and tbh I'd expect that to be the more logical response of someone who regarded sex as being meaningless) and if she can, fair play I suppose if she can deal with a society who might choose to disrespect her for it.

She can do what she wants but she needs to wake up about what possible consequences there are for this.
She could become an activist for fellow sufferers of such discrimination/prejudice of amateur pornstars (but I suspect she may be not be committed to doing this).

eviltwin · 05-07-2014 02:42PM

take everything wrote: »

I never said people should restrain their actions to suit society.
She can do what she wants (once it's legal- and she's done nothing illegal).
But she needs to understand the consequences in the real world.
As I say this is about lack of understanding/stupidity nothing else.

Of course she can choose not be bothered about it (and tbh I'd expect that to be the more logical response of someone who regarded sex as being meaningless) and if she can, fair play I suppose if she can deal with a society who might choose to disrespect her for it.

She can do what she wants but she needs to wake up about what possible consequences there are for this.
She could become an activist for fellow sufferers of such discrimination/prejudice of amateur pornstars (but I suspect she may be not be committed to doing this).

Consequences should fit the act. The witch hunt that goes with the release of these videos is way over the top. Some people will think tough if she loses her job, is disgraced and forever known as that girl in the video but really lets look at it with a bit of logic, its not the worst thing an 18 will do, its just unfortunate its ended up going viral She doesn't deserve to forever more defined by this one moment of stupidity. There are far worse things going on that we should be saving our outrage for.

P_1 · 05-07-2014 02:57PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Consequences should fit the act. The witch hunt that goes with the release of these videos is way over the top. Some people will think tough if she loses her job, is disgraced and forever known as that girl in the video but really lets look at it with a bit of logic, its not the worst thing an 18 will do, its just unfortunate its ended up going viral She doesn't deserve to forever more defined by this one moment of stupidity. There are far worse things going on that we should be saving our outrage for.

Exactly, she didn't hurt anybody by her actions all she did was offend some people's morals.

hatrickpatrick · 05-07-2014 03:03PM

take everything wrote: »

I never said people should restrain their actions to suit society.
She can do what she wants (once it's legal- and she's done nothing illegal).
But she needs to understand the consequences in the real world.
As I say this is about lack of understanding/stupidity nothing else.

Of course she can choose not be bothered about it (and tbh I'd expect that to be the more logical response of someone who regarded sex as being meaningless) and if she can, fair play I suppose if she can deal with a society who might choose to disrespect her for it.

She can do what she wants but she needs to wake up about what possible consequences there are for this.
She could become an activist for fellow sufferers of such discrimination/prejudice of amateur pornstars (but I suspect she may be not be committed to doing this).

The point is there shouldn't be any such consequences, and instead of telling people to pander to society's taboos for fear of persecution, we should be telling everyone else that it's unacceptable to judge someone and attack them in this manner for a harmless consensual action.

video of an Irish teen performing 24 sex acts for a free cocktail gone viral

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