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video of an Irish teen performing 24 sex acts for a free cocktail gone viral

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  • #212
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Magaggie wrote: »
    I didn't actually use that expression.
    It's sexually repressive to pretend people are prudes when they're not too.


    "very little time for herself" would seem to be a shot towards more or less the same goalposts
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91135996&postcount=184


  • #213
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Magaggie wrote: »
    The club said it was for a prize.
    Seriously, what difference does that make? Had the club given her the prize, do you think it would then have been a responsible decision to suck 24 dicks on camera?
    The "prize" or lack thereof shouldn't really feature - I'd hope that posters who say she was duped wouldn't laud her for her sound business sense if she had in fact gotten a holiday out of it...


  • #214
    Neeson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    4chan threads only last for an hour or two max. Most of them don't last longer than about 20 minutes.


    Nothing disappears online. Got a link. anyway.


  • #215
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Would make you wonder why this girl isn't afforded the same sort of protection on boards/AH that KPMG girl was given...


  • #216
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Would make you wonder why this girl isn't afforded the same sort of protection on boards/AH that KPMG girl was given...
    Didn't she get more abuse though for being posh?


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  • #217
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Would make you wonder why this girl isn't afforded the same sort of protection on boards/AH that KPMG girl was given...

    Weren't they both underage (not sure about slane girl?) Do sort of agree with you though but this is possibly even more publicized than either of those two in the wider media, I don't think this thread does any harm nobody is abusing her as such unlike whats obviously happening on other sites.


  • #218
    EyeSight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Would make you wonder why this girl isn't afforded the same sort of protection on boards/AH that KPMG girl was given...

    As awful as that girl was. She wasn't "suck 24 dicks for a drink" awful.
    She was extremely well protected here though


  • #219
    Legs.Eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    I've stated that she didn't deserve it. When I said it's disgusting carry on, I was referring to the 4chan comments.

    I wasn't referring to you specifically; I was talking to everyone (who think the treatment she's getting in the media and online is horrible).


  • #220
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Seriously, what difference does that make? Had the club given her the prize, do you think it would then have been a responsible decision to suck 24 dicks on camera?
    The "prize" or lack thereof shouldn't really feature - I'd hope that posters who say she was duped wouldn't laud her for her sound business sense if she had in fact gotten a holiday out of it...
    The club decided to exploit some poor naive young one is my point - whether there was a prize or not.


  • #221
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Didn't she get more abuse though for being posh?

    No, she got abuse for her drunken actions.
    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Weren't they both underage (not sure about slane girl?) Do sort of agree with you though but this is possibly even more publicized than either of those two in the wider media, I don't think this thread does any harm nobody is abusing her as such unlike whats obviously happening on other sites.

    The Slane girl was underage. KPMG girl thread was pulled because there's legal precedent for not publishing a story that might hinder someone's future career earnings etc., at least that's the excuse that was given over in Feedback; if my memory serves me right.


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  • #222
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    That 4chan thread is one of the worst things I've seen, one of the comments actually says 'anyone want to ruin her life' and they have the nerve to judge her? Sickos.


  • #223
    [Deleted User]
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    Magaggie wrote: »
    You could apply that to absolutely anything. It's crazy to insinuate me and other people thinking this girl could have more time for herself and not cave in to the club's awful agenda are prudes.

    People with strong self esteem and a good self image are much less likely to cave into peer pressure or crave attention. Its not unreasonable to assume that this girl lacked the sense of self that would have helped her make a better decision.

    There is no way in the world that a public display like that, likely to be uploaded and likely to bite her on the ass in the cold light of day, likely to get back to her family, likely to influence future employers etc., etc., etc, could ever be described as sensible, liberated, or just a harmless bit of fun.

    I don't see how noting that would mean I'm a prude. :confused:


  • #224
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Blowjobs and playing snooker - not the same thing.

    To you and me, sure. It's something more. But what right do we have to expect any other person to regard sex with the same level of sincerity that we do? If some people regard it as something fun to do and nothing more, that's entirely their own prerogative.
    I wouldn't like the world you'd like where sex is utterly meaningless.

    I'm not advocating a world in which sex is utterly meaningless. It's very meaningful for me, and obviously also for you, which is why for instance I won't sleep with a woman until I've known her for a while.
    The point is, that's my preference and also apparently yours. However, if another person does consider it utterly meaningless, they have every right to do so. The world I'd like is a world where nobody projects their own values onto another person, simple as. So in other words, just because you don't feel that performing oral sex on a bunch of strangers for a prize is something you'd enjoy, there's absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with it if it's entirely consensual, as it appears to have been in this particular case.
    Here's an example: The whole scat fetish thing is something which makes me nauseous, as far as I'm concerned sh!te belongs in the toilet (or in the woods, if no such facility is available :p ) - but if others choose to engage in it, that's not something I have the slightest problem with or would judge them for in any way whatsoever, any more than I'd judge someone for listening to death metal when I personally have more interest in anthem rock, or for watching Two and a Half Men where Friends is my favourite sitcom. The world I advocate is simply a world in which the only universally imposed value is that of "something is wrong if it harms a non consenting third party", and beyond that people didn't feel it was their right to shame somebody for doing something simply because they (the shamer) aren't into it.
    That, by the way, does not mean I think people should only have sex with people they're in love with, or that they should "wait" (load of crap - if they want to jump someone five minutes after meeting them, more power to them) or even that they should fancy them (if the sensation alone is all they crave, best of luck to them) but sex as mundane as a game of snooker? No thanks.

    Again, that's fine for you, and indeed for me. But I know both men and women who do in fact view sex as a mere pastime, and I have the utmost respect for those people given that we live in a world which right now is very hostile to their point of view. People like you and me have it easy to an extent. The majority of people wouldn't question our own attitudes to sex. Those who view it with no "awe" whatsoever, on the other hand, are looked down on by society. Why should they be? Such societal mob rule is no better than shunning people for not believing in God, or shunning people for observing veganism.


  • #225
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Candie wrote: »
    I wish people would stop making this about sex. Sex is a fun and pleasurable thing. This was an act of degradation and humiliation using a sex act as a means to that end. Not even a proper sex act, since the various penises were in contact with the girl for only seconds.

    It was a parody of a sex act, and the aim was to humiliate the girl.

    She appears to have consented to taking part. If of course that turns out not to be the case, then it will become a problem as far as I'm concerned - not until then.
    And FYI, some people get off on being sexually humiliated. More people than you'd think, in fact. Not suggesting that was the case here, just again saying that you (and others) are projecting your own values around sex onto this woman and assuming that she feels the same way about it as you would had you been her.

    Furthermore, I wish people would stop referring to her as a "girl" with the obvious intention of making it easier to suggest she was taken advantage of. She is over 18 and is therefore a woman who is considered to be entirely capable of making her own decisions. If the genders were reversed, nobody would be referring to a man in her position as a "naive boy who was taken advantage of" - such "benign sexism" as many like to call it is anything but benign, as it denies women such as her their own agency, and subtly implies that they are not as capable of making their own choices as a man in their position would have been.

    Everyone involved in this was an adult - if they weren't, the club needs to revise their security arrangements to ensure underage drinkers aren't allowed in. Ergo, all of the people involved should be afforded the assumption of being adults capable of making their own choices, not to be infantilized and babied by the wider mob who 'want' them to feel a certain way about this whole ordeal.

    I'd be willing to bet that this woman feels far more humiliated by the reaction of such people to her behavior than people 'want' her to feel about the behavior itself.


  • #226
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Patrick, in the world you'd like, people should have the right to be of the opinion that someone has been exploited.


  • #227
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    That 4chan thread is one of the worst things I've seen, one of the comments actually says 'anyone want to ruin her life' and they have the nerve to judge her? Sickos.
    It's people who are angry that they don't get sex.


  • #228
    Joe Duffy..
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Joe Duffy..


    Can anyone pm me that 4chan link for a look please.


  • #229
    ColeTrain
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    blackwhite wrote: »
    This times a million.

    What people choose to do sexually is nobody else's business (provided of course it's all between consensual adults, etc. etc.).

    If she was my friend/sister I'd be concerned if this was common behaviour, given potential STI exposure, and would advise her to make sure to be using protection. But other than that, it's her own business what and who she decides to do these things with

    This is crazy over liberal nonsense.
    If that was your sister, you'd just advise her about protection? Really? Any decent brother would knock some sense into her or at least try.


  • #230
    [Deleted User]
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    She appears to have consented to taking part. If of course that turns out not to be the case, then it will become a problem as far as I'm concerned - not until then.
    And FYI, some people get off on being sexually humiliated. More people than you'd think, in fact. Not suggesting that was the case here, just again saying that you (and others) are projecting your own values around sex onto this woman and assuming that she feels the same way about it as you would had you been her.

    Furthermore, I wish people would stop referring to her as a "girl" with the obvious intention of making it easier to suggest she was taken advantage of. She is over 18 and is therefore a woman who is considered to be entirely capable of making her own decisions. If the genders were reversed, nobody would be referring to a man in her position as a "naive boy who was taken advantage of" - such "benign sexism" as many like to call it is anything but benign, as it denies women such as her their own agency, and subtly implies that they are not as capable of making their own choices as a man in their position would have been.

    Everyone involved in this was an adult - if they weren't, the club needs to revise their security arrangements to ensure underage drinkers aren't allowed in. Ergo, all of the people involved should be afforded the assumption of being adults capable of making their own choices, not to be infantilized and babied by the wider mob who 'want' them to feel a certain way about this whole ordeal.

    I'd be willing to bet that this woman feels far more humiliated by the reaction of such people to her behavior than people 'want' her to feel about the behavior itself.

    You're doing some projecting of your own here. You want to see this through the filter of your own mores, but don't want to afford other people the same right.

    If you think this whole saga happened in a vacuum, you're very myopic.

    If that girl wanted to blow off 100 guys in public, and was happy to consider and accept the life-ruining consequences for her and the fallout her family would face, then I'll support her right to do that every Friday night of her life. Saturdays too, if she wasn't plied with drink and egged on in an orchestrated group humiliation.

    She does have a right to her own decisions, even if they're bad ones. But stupid people are manipulated into bad decisions all the time.


  • #231
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    I think it's sad that someone can grow up so insecure and with so little respect for themselves as to do that.

    And cut the liberal BS, if sexual acts weren't intimate and weren't damaging in situations where full consent isn't given then there'd be no criminal offences related to them. Is this what you'd want for your sister? Your daughter?

    I think it's an outrage that 1. She thought it was okay to do 2. The society we live in is so disrespectful of women that she thought it was an okay thing to do 3. people thought it was okay to film and post online and 4. that people castigate teenagers for bad decisions. Teenagers are masters of poor decision making!

    Silly girl.


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  • #232
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Part of being a teenager is,doing stupid things,
    being reckless.
    its just now,
    Everyone has phones with video camera,s ,
    there.s sites to upload video.
    I,M not on facebook,
    now every party , social event has people taking photo,s ,uploading to facebook .
    ie its impossible to stay off facebook,
    if you have a social life.
    Teens did stupid things in the 90s ,
    but the chances are it would be not video taped. or put on a website.
    Someone over 18 is responsible for their own actions


  • #233
    um7y1h83ge06nx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    She must be going for the honorary title of Slapper Mc Slapperson.


  • #234
    Charlie19
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    Joe Duffy.. wrote: »
    Can anyone pm me that 4chan link for a look please.

    I just watched it there via links on twitter, all i typed was magaluf.

    Cant believe someone could be so naive and stupid to allow themselves to be caught out in such a sleazy way. What on earth was she thinking.. I'd question her choice in friends, you'd think someone would have stopped it early on.


  • #235
    LETHAL LADY
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    I watched the video and saw a young woman making a fool of herself for others amusement and some sad men copping some female contact.
    Like most people I've seen the extreme behaviours of folks while they're under the influence of drink and drugs, and am no angel myself when it comes to overindulging, but I have to say this is vile stuff.
    I don't know how many people were in that room, but I'd like to think if I was there I'd be compelled to tell her to cop the **** on and have a bit of self respect.


  • #236
    B.A._Baracus
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    To be blunt...

    On on hand....
    She is a total slut for doing what she did. But her name doesn't deserve to be posted on the internet. It's not right for random strangers to try and send rude messages to her on facebook or whatever.

    On the other...
    Still a total slut. But she made her bed and now must lie in it. People are animals and should have known someone was going to record & upload it.


  • #237
    magentis
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    ............


  • #238
    [Deleted User]
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    ^
    That's out of order.

    One thing that's kind of annoying on this thread is the double standards. On one hand you have people saying the club are exploiting kids and then you've others saying they're all consenting adults. Pick one. It can't be both.


  • #239
    [Deleted User]
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    magentis wrote: »
    ............

    Absolutely disgusting.


  • #240
    Frito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    To be blunt...

    On on hand....
    She is a total slut for doing what she did. But her name doesn't deserve to be posted on the internet. It's not right for random strangers to try and send rude messages to her on facebook or whatever.

    On the other...
    Still a total slut. But she made her bed and now must lie in it. People are animals and should have known someone was going to record & upload it.

    I still think the vitriol directed at her is hypocritical.

    I wouldn't do what she did, nor would I have allowed a teenager who had been drinking to perform a sex act on me, nor would I stand around and watch a group of people do this, nor would I encourage this behaviour by plying people with alcohol.

    Yet it's largely her behaviour only that is subject to public scrutiny.

    Tangentially, Michael Gove might want to consider a better business and economics curriculum in schools to avoid future mishaps. 24 blowjobs for a cocktail? Should've insisted on a written contract with clear terms.


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  • #241
    magentis
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    Its all disgraceful.


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