magentis wrote: » Its all disgraceful.
Frito wrote: » I still think the vitriol directed at her is hypocritical. I wouldn't do what she did, nor would I have allowed a teenager who had been drinking to perform a sex act on me, nor would I stand around and watch a group of people do this, nor would I encourage this behaviour by plying people with alcohol.Yet it's largely her behaviour only that is subject to public scrutiny. Tangentially, Michael Gove might want to consider a better business and economics curriculum in schools to avoid future mishaps. 24 blowjobs for a cocktail? Should've insisted on a written contract with clear terms.
B.A._Baracus wrote: » She was the one willing to do it and she did so without problem. Don't get me wrong... those lads are assholes. I mean, sticking your knob in someones mouth seconds after its been around a dozen (or what ever number) of other guys cocks? .... no thank you :pac: Fact is fact that she chose to do it. There was no gun to her head. It's not like 24 guys forced her.
Smidge wrote: » Hope you never have daughters B.A All very well to judge a very young womans actions and brand her. The game changes when its "your daughter" who makes a royal mistake.
magentis wrote: » Ah come on now smidge you just wanna be number 25.
B.A._Baracus wrote: » Wake up. We are all responsible for our own actions. If I decided to run through Dame Street wearing sweet feck all... and said mobile cam footage uploaded online bit me in the ass. Well who is to blame!? ... you'd say me right and i fecking know you would. FFS. She took 24 cocks in her mouth publicly. Not in some hotel room. Not even in some back alley. What do you honestly think was going to happen? that someone (and I must add some jerk) wouldnt take out their phone and record and upload?
Smidge wrote: » I make no excuse for her actions. It was utterly stupid and highly degrading for ALL involved. What I can't stand is the backlash against her. She made a major error in judgement most likely due to drink. But for people to hold her in sole responsibility for the entire debacle and to say "Well, what man is going to refuse a blow job(which technically it wasn't)" is laughable. And to say the person who uploaded it is a jerk? I would say they are a morally reprehensible plonker
EyeSight wrote: » As awful as that girl was. She wasn't "suck 24 dicks for a drink" awful. She was extremely well protected here though
Magaggie wrote: » Patrick, in the world you'd like, people should have the right to be of the opinion that someone has been exploited.
Candie wrote: » You're doing some projecting of your own here. You want to see this through the filter of your own mores, but don't want to afford other people the same right. If you think this whole saga happened in a vacuum, you're very myopic. If that girl wanted to blow off 100 guys in public, and was happy to consider and accept the life-ruining consequences for her and the fallout her family would face, then I'll support her right to do that every Friday night of her life. Saturdays too, if she wasn't plied with drink and egged on in an orchestrated group humiliation. She does have a right to her own decisions, even if they're bad ones. But stupid people are manipulated into bad decisions all the time.
miss no stars wrote: » I think it's sad that someone can grow up so insecure and with so little respect for themselves as to do that.
And cut the liberal BS, if sexual acts weren't intimate and weren't damaging in situations where full consent isn't given then there'd be no criminal offences related to them.
Is this what you'd want for your sister? Your daughter?
I think it's an outrage that 1. She thought it was okay to do
2. The society we live in is so disrespectful of women that she thought it was an okay thing to do
3. people thought it was okay to film and post online
and 4. that people castigate teenagers for bad decisions. Teenagers are masters of poor decision making!
Silly girl.
LETHAL LADY wrote: » I watched the video and saw a young woman making a fool of herself for others amusement and some sad men copping some female contact.
I don't know how many people were in that room, but I'd like to think if I was there I'd be compelled to tell her to cop the **** on and have a bit of self respect.
Candie wrote: » I wish people would stop making this about sex. Sex is a fun and pleasurable thing. This was an act of degradation and humiliation using a sex act as a means to that end.
Magaggie wrote: » Where did I say it's right to ruin the girl's life over it? I'm just saying it's not "just sex" - nothing more. Not once have I said it was ok to be a **** to her; I've got her back actually - I feel terrible for her. Not being bland and mundane.
Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: » So the girl is just foolish but the men are "sad"? All you are doing is shaming this girl and more often than not, it tends to be other women that shame girls when they behave in similar ways. What it has to do with other women is beyond me and how do you know she lacks self respect? You don't know the first thing about her. She might have more respect for herself than you have for yourself. If this was a lad dared to suck 24 boobs in a club, would you assume he had no respect for himself? Nah, I'm guessing the focus would still be on the women and how they must have no respect if the would all let some strange lad suck their boobs. This girl wasn't one bit 'degraded' or 'humiliated' in that club. She jumped from one lad to the next with great gusto and even motioned to two lads with her hands and her eyes for them to get their lads out that were standing there looking as if they were not about to. She doesn't even appear drunk. Her eyes are clear and she has a broad smile in one or two sections of the clip. I applaud people condemning the sending of the footage to her family and friends and also of the abuse which has been directed at her online, but I have to say I also feel this nonsense suggesting she has no respect for herself is equally as abusive. Reminds me of a girl in the states two years ago who had group sex with some football players and when she told her friends about it, they made her feel awful by saying that now everyone would now see her as a slut and that she shouldn't have done it, rather than standing by her and saying 'fcuk what other's think'. The shame of people whispering about her and similar such talk as is happening her, about how she must have no respect for herself, ended with her taking her life by jumping in front of a train. In short: if you happen to *think* this girl (or these lads) have no respect for themselves, maybe keep it to yourself, as your negative opinions / assumptions about what these harmless actions suggest about them, with regards to how much they do or do not respect themselves, could potentially have some quite serious consequences.
take everything wrote: » Very good post. I think people on both sides of this debate are hung up on the sex aspect of this. This is nothing more than a young woman not thinking and have to live with the consequences of her stupidity in the real world (the real world being a world where she may be laughed at and judged, rightly or wrongly). This is about stupidity and failure to take responsibility for possible consequences not sex. Also the meaninglessness of sex thing, if this is true isn't it only logical that any fallout from this would be more meaningless for her. In other words she'll probably get over it. Doesn't stop some people judging or laughing at her.
LETHAL LADY wrote: » ...I'm merely stating that if I was there I would have felt the need to protect her from herself and what is now plastered all over the internet.
Like it or lump it she made a fool of herself and now has to live with the consequences of her actions.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » So people should constrain their actions because the reality is that society will make their lives hell if they don't? Let me ask you, would you say the same for a gay person coming out in a community which is hostile towards homosexuality? Should they bend to mob rule and cover up their entirely harmless actions simply because they'll be attacked otherwise? That sounds very dystopian to me. I'm honestly surprised that the idea of defying a stupid and pointless social taboo is so alien to many in this thread.
take everything wrote: » I never said people should restrain their actions to suit society. She can do what she wants (once it's legal- and she's done nothing illegal). But she needs to understand the consequences in the real world. As I say this is about lack of understanding/stupidity nothing else. Of course she can choose not be bothered about it (and tbh I'd expect that to be the more logical response of someone who regarded sex as being meaningless) and if she can, fair play I suppose if she can deal with a society who might choose to disrespect her for it. She can do what she wants but she needs to wake up about what possible consequences there are for this. She could become an activist for fellow sufferers of such discrimination/prejudice of amateur pornstars (but I suspect she may be not be committed to doing this).
eviltwin wrote: » Consequences should fit the act. The witch hunt that goes with the release of these videos is way over the top. Some people will think tough if she loses her job, is disgraced and forever known as that girl in the video but really lets look at it with a bit of logic, its not the worst thing an 18 will do, its just unfortunate its ended up going viral She doesn't deserve to forever more defined by this one moment of stupidity. There are far worse things going on that we should be saving our outrage for.
