Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 03:22AM

dloob wrote: »

Time to CPO the houses around the stadium and turn it into one of those vast car parks American stadiums have, no more resident whining.

I don't think the government could afford that, they would also need to be re-housed

cournioni · 04-07-2014 03:24AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think you should go back and read the thread, this ground has been covered before a lot, and I truly mean a lot !

No-one is disputing g that they choose to live there. My mate lives there and bought in 2010. Before purchasing he checked the status of events, concerts, etc, how it would effect him. The 2009 agreement said 3 concerts per year. An Bord Plenala said three concerts per year. He was fine with that, for him it meant that he knew he would have to bring his two dog to a dog pound for three nights every summer. But then this summer he has to bring them there not three nights as previously agreed with the GAA but EIGHT nights.

When he bought his house he knew there would be 240,000 concert goers in his area every summer. And then the GAA and Aiken got greedy and tried to up that figure from 240,000 people to 640,000 people by slapping on an extra 5 concerts, with no permission or even a precedent of 5 nights in a row for an outdoor stadium. My mate bought his house based on an agreement with the GAA. It was the GAA who shifted the goalposts, not the residents.

3 concerts or 3 events?

They have a €500,000 fund for your friend to put his dog in a pound for a few more nights, along with tickets and even a job to go towards this. He bought a house beside the biggest stadium in the country, so he should be aware that goalposts can move from year to year. Who knows? Dublin might have a short run in the championship this time around.

Like it or not, the Old Trafford reference is very relevant as it plays host to more games than Croke Park which varies greatly on the teams success.

Smidge · 04-07-2014 03:27AM

cournioni wrote: »

Not a fan of Garth Brooks, didn't have any tickets, nor did I have any interest in the gigs.

The Croke Park residents who are objecting, to me, come across as a shower of whingers, and leeches who are after nothing more than compo. Croke Park has been there long before these people, and it will be there long after they're gone. They choose to live there knowing that large events take place numerous times per year. There are lots of people who would gladly take these houses off their hands if they didn't like the area.

Croke Park is an amazing place, something that Irish people should be proud of. 70,000 tickets have been sold for these concerts abroad which provides a great opportunity to bring in a huge amount of money into our economy and offers the locals a great opportunity to bring money into their local economy. There are countless places in Ireland that would jump at the chance of having an international event like this in their area.

If you take the National Ploughing Championship for example, last year it was held outside Stradbally in Co. Laois, the same place that hosts Electric Picnic annually, it took in 228,000 over 3 days. Despite greatly inferior infrastructure and amenities to Drumcondra and the NCR area in Dublin, these took place with little or no objection by local residents. This would arguably inconvenience them far more than an event in Drumcondra because of its train service, footpaths, numerous roads for entry, bus service etc.

Croke Park residents were offered jobs at the event, tickets for the event and a fund of €500,000 had been put together for those "inconvenienced". Something that those in Stradbally could only dream of being offered. According to RTÉ news, the Croke Park residents are looking to sue Croke Park which shows you that they are after more than what they've been offered, rather than accept the three concerts that have been licensed.

Before people say "how would you like something like this on your doorstep", I live in the centre of a large town in Ireland with a square that holds regular large events and results in road closures. Do I complain? No, it's my choice to live here, I accept that events like this happen in such areas and I accept that it has a positive effect on the area.

Would these "regular events" you talk about be "the mart"? :rolleyes:

ardle1 · 04-07-2014 03:28AM

The residents shouldn't be offered a cent!
A few tickets to the odd concert here and there if it bothers them that much, but that's it... The concerts, the games whatever goes on in Croke Park is for the good of the Country and the pleasure of the people who attend such events. And the judge today shouldn't have denied those two licences, surely he fore-saw this sh!t storm. Obviously mistakes were made but the decision to withdraw the last two nights was the biggest mistake off all.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 03:28AM

Smidge wrote: »

Would these "regular events" you talk about be "the mart"? :rolleyes:

Smug inaccurate comment.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 03:30AM

Hococop wrote: »

People saying he is greedy and he needs the money and that's why he is holding out for 5 concerts, just did a few searches around and most say he has a net worth of 150+ million depending on different sites he signed a 5 year deal in 2009 in a las Vegas casino that was worth 100 million so I really doubt the man is strapped for cash

Just because he is rich doesn't mean he can't be greedy and motivated by money

Smidge · 04-07-2014 03:30AM

cournioni wrote: »

Smug inaccurate comment.

As much so as you insinuating that concerts are held at Old Trafford.
No concerts there, only sporting events

Amirani · 04-07-2014 03:30AM

cournioni wrote: »

They have a €500,000 fund for your friend to put his dog in a pound for a few more nights, along with tickets and even a job to go towards this.

That 500k fund works out at 18.50 per person. I'm pretty sure it's for community projects as opposed to a direct subvention.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 03:35AM

bmm wrote: »

Surely this is a ruse by the promoter & Brooks to apply pressure on Mr. Keegan. I would not like to be in Keegan's shoes this weekend ! A two week holiday abroad may be advisable!

He should not allow himself to be bullied either way

cournioni · 04-07-2014 03:35AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

That 500k fund works out at 18.50 per person. I'm pretty sure it's for community projects as opposed to a direct subvention.

Because each of those 27000 people are directly affected? Give me a break.

How many households does that figure affect?

darkpagandeath · 04-07-2014 03:38AM

cournioni wrote: »

Because each of those 27000 people are directly affected? Give me a break.

How many households does that figure affect?

That's what I was going to ask 27000 people, that's gotta be miles and miles radius around that place. How far does the music travel at a compensatory high level ? Is that counting people that can see the stadium or what ?

cournioni · 04-07-2014 03:40AM

Smidge wrote: »

As much so as you insinuating that concerts are held at Old Trafford.
No concerts there, only sporting events

A great insult to Bon Jovi, Genesis, Bruce Springsteen, Simply Red etc.

That doesn't even include the concerts at the cricket ground.

FanadMan · 04-07-2014 03:42AM

Not a fan of GB or any of that type of music but I hate the way the residents threw the toys out of the pram. Would guess that at least 90% of them weren't even born when Croke Park was built. It seems like all they want is some sort of compensation.

Fingers crossed that both hurling and football quarter finals all go to replays - see how they handle multiple weekends of GAA fans milling around.

I'm sure that I heard when the first concert was announced that if these concerts go well that GB might consider touring again (but after +5000 posts I'm not even going to try searching

) I wouldn't blame him if he now hangs up the stetson for good or just refuse to play Ireland again. Such a shame seeing that he always wanted to play Croker again.

On the other hand - 5 nights of C&W might be enough to drive the residents to mass murder lol

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 03:43AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What about the load of people flying over that will stay in hotels, Travel Ireland and do the tourist thing no one would just come over for the gig then leave.

They will be in the country spending money anyway

Smidge · 04-07-2014 03:43AM

cournioni wrote: »

A great insult to Bon Jovi, Genesis, Bruce Springsteen, Simply Red etc.

What are you talking about?
Simply Red have never played CP???

And you still haven't said that your Old Trafford reference is tosh

Smidge · 04-07-2014 03:47AM

FanadMan wrote: »

Not a fan of GB or any of that type of music but I hate the way the residents threw the toys out of the pram. Would guess that at least 90% of them weren't even born when Croke Park was built. It seems like all they want is some sort of compensation.

Fingers crossed that both hurling and football quarter finals all go to replays - see how they handle multiple weekends of GAA fans milling around.

I'm sure that I heard when the first concert was announced that if these concerts go well that GB might consider touring again (but after +5000 posts I'm not even going to try searching ) I wouldn't blame him if he now hangs up the stetson for good or just refuse to play Ireland again. Such a shame seeing that he always wanted to play Croker again.

On the other hand - 5 nights of C&W might be enough to drive the residents to mass murder lol

The residents(of which I used to be one)have no issue with games being held.
That has never been the issue, game days are generally enjoyed in the area.
But this carry on was too much for the RA to allow.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 03:48AM

therealme wrote: »

Tarzana wrote: »

The go ahead has been given for three.

I meant for all 5. Perhaps people need to see the bigger picture and see financially how important such events are as are how other nations view us regarding tourism and employment in the future.

A couple of cancelled concerts will have little or no impact on tourism and the way people look at Ireland.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 03:48AM

Smidge wrote: »

What are you talking about?
Simply Red have never played CP???

And you still haven't said that your Old Trafford reference is tosh

Whoosh!

They all played at Old Trafford if you care to get your facts in order, along with several high profile rugby league fixtures, boxing (Benn v Eubank).

Smidge · 04-07-2014 03:54AM

cournioni wrote: »

Whoosh!

They all played at Old Trafford if you care to get your facts in order, along with several high profile rugby league fixtures, boxing (Benn v Eubank).

Ah well, at least the residents around CP won't have to deal with that now.
The DCC have made their call, Garthy threw his toys from the pram so it seems the deal is done regardless.

Also, the houses in the area are in the vast majority victorian and handed down from generation to generation. So well there before a stadium, it was only a field then.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 03:56AM

Smidge wrote: »

The residents(of which I used to be one)have no issue with games being held.
That has never been the issue, game days are generally enjoyed in the area.
But this carry on was too much for the RA to allow.

I know, line dancing in the street. Awful stuff Joe.

Smidge · 04-07-2014 03:57AM

cournioni wrote: »

I know, line dancing in the street. Awful stuff Joe.

I know, shocking stuff altogether.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 04:00AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah like Ireland being a good place to visit and do the tourist thing, Then find out gig cancelled due to x reason. Paints a bad image. Guarantee in UK/Europe this would be going ahead regardless of tiny minority. They would be thinking of the larger picture making it an attractive place to come see gigs and so on.

It would have absolutely no effect on Ireland's image abroad.

Other countries might have approved the gigs but the whole planning situation would have been handled better in most countries.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 04:26AM

derokid wrote: »

Promoters don't want their licences faster. If they do then they are open to legal challenge that's why the leave it to the last minute to apply. Do your not think these concerts are planned months in advance and all this stuff is prepared? They won't duit it because it will be challenged

I agree with you here.
They should give the promoters an incentive to get the licenses earlier by insisting that they don't advertise an event without a license.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 04:41AM

dloob wrote: »

Standing outside the fire, standing outside the fire, life is not living it's merely surviving if you're not throwing rocks through the windows of rods up their arses around croker when Garth's concerts should be on.

If you're a Garth Brooks fan, you're not doing them any favours with that comment

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 04:57AM

cournioni wrote: »

The Croke Park residents who are objecting, to me, come across as a shower of whingers, and leeches who are after nothing more than compo.

They have turned down compensation

cournioni wrote: »

They choose to live there knowing that large events take place numerous times per year.

Again, this has been argued and refuted many many times

cournioni wrote: »

70,000 tickets have been sold for these concerts abroad which provides a great opportunity to bring in a huge amount of money into our economy

They will be in the country anyway so the difference won't be as much as many people think

cournioni wrote: »

According to RTÉ news, the Croke Park residents are looking to sue Croke Park which shows you that they are after more than what they've been offered, rather than accept the three concerts that have been licensed.

From what I heard, the threat to sue was for the concerts to be changed or reduced. This has been done without any court action and no compensation was offered.

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 05:06AM

cournioni wrote: »

Like it or not, the Old Trafford reference is very relevant as it plays host to more games than Croke Park which varies greatly on the teams success.

Difference is Old Trafford is in a much more suitable location than Croke Park

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 05:09AM

ardle1 wrote: »

The residents shouldn't be offered a cent!
A few tickets to the odd concert here and there if it bothers them that much, but that's it... The concerts, the games whatever goes on in Croke Park is for the good of the Country and the pleasure of the people who attend such events. And the judge today shouldn't have denied those two licences, surely he fore-saw this sh!t storm. Obviously mistakes were made but the decision to withdraw the last two nights was the biggest mistake off all.

It was the correct decision, an agreement was broken by the GAA
If you had been following the thread you would know the residents don't want compensation

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 05:12AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

That's what I was going to ask 27000 people, that's gotta be miles and miles radius around that place. How far does the music travel at a compensatory high level ? Is that counting people that can see the stadium or what ?

It's not just about noise

Jamsiek · 04-07-2014 05:15AM

FanadMan wrote: »

Not a fan of GB or any of that type of music but I hate the way the residents threw the toys out of the pram. Would guess that at least 90% of them weren't even born when Croke Park was built. It seems like all they want is some sort of compensation.

Fingers crossed that both hurling and football quarter finals all go to replays - see how they handle multiple weekends of GAA fans milling around.

I'm sure that I heard when the first concert was announced that if these concerts go well that GB might consider touring again (but after +5000 posts I'm not even going to try searching ) I wouldn't blame him if he now hangs up the stetson for good or just refuse to play Ireland again. Such a shame seeing that he always wanted to play Croker again.

On the other hand - 5 nights of C&W might be enough to drive the residents to mass murder lol

I think your last sentence explains everything

cournioni · 04-07-2014 05:18AM

Jamsiek wrote: »

Difference is Old Trafford is in a much more suitable location than Croke Park

How so? It is still in a residential area. The closest buildings to Old Trafford are houses.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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