Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Jamsiek · 03-07-2014 07:42PM

nm wrote: »

This agreement should never have been made in the first place, millions are now pandering to hundreds to be allowed put on events in Ireland premier stadium, it's insane.

...so you believe in mob rule where people don't count if they're in a minority?

miju · 03-07-2014 07:43PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Before they sell tickets, here they decided to sell tickets before even applying for permission, serves them right.

I dont know if you have ever been involved in any way in a large concert production but I can tell you the planning documents and processes takes a LONG time to complete and thats not including all the redrafts and updates.

The requirements are SO stringement due to the amount of red tape here it is simply not feasible to wait for the license to be granted (they are never refused anyway until today).

I've attached a doc that shows just some of the kind of planning involved (if you could be arsed to read through it). The actual planning documentation and drawing application documents usually run into the hundreds of pages

ThisRegard · 03-07-2014 07:44PM

Honda500 wrote: »

They are just looking for money. Plus alot of them work or have stalls in corker park.I bet if you wanted to close corke park see what they would say

Who cares what happens there, most of us never heard of either of those places.

And yet another one ignorant to the actual facts, the residents didn't reject the licence application.

Smidge · 03-07-2014 07:44PM

Honda500 wrote: »

They are just looking for money. Plus alot of them work or have stalls in corker park.I bet if you wanted to close corke park see what they would say

Go home Honda, you're drunk

jack presley · 03-07-2014 07:44PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

The council is acting on residents concerns here and you can imply that they have just restricted the use of helicopters themselves, independent of concerns of the residents as much as you like, but it won't make it so. All decisions made here were made on the back of concerns of the residents. I find it absurd that you would suggest that this particular one had nothing to do with them.

I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm just saying you should make sure it's the case (i.e. look at their submissions) before jumping to conclusions.

What about the condition about obeying instructions of the fire brigade? Was that because of a resident's complaint as well? How many of the conditions do you think an experienced, qualified licensing authority came up with themselves and how many would they not have thought of without prompting from the residents?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 03-07-2014 07:44PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

During the day, it's a massive difference than having one at night. Unless you're thinking of those quiet black helicopters?

You would barely hear a helicopter over the noise of a concert.

It would be almost insignificant, but nice that you agree with me that they have been refused based on the resident disruption grounds

Smidge · 03-07-2014 07:45PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

...so you believe in mob rule where people don't count if they're in a minority?

As for mob rule, take a look at the GB fb page and its gives you an idea of the calibre of person who would have been attending these gigs. Shameful stuff.

Ace2007 · 03-07-2014 07:46PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, i just think croke park should fight back hard against people who had an opportunity not to be "disrupted" by their business yet continue to live there yet whine about it

Fight back against who?

ThisRegard · 03-07-2014 07:46PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

You would barely hear a helicopter over the noise of a concert.

It would be almost insignificant, but nice that you agree with me that they have been refused based on the resident disruption grounds

Of course you would. You don't know what a helicopter is do you?

And I just don't even know where to begin to ask as to how you could possibly think I'm agreeing with you on that point.

Jamsiek · 03-07-2014 07:46PM

expectationlost wrote: »

so with this croke park decision they get 7 concerts instead of 9 of the promised just 3-5, croke park and concert promotors won

You're missing the point, the residents scored a victory today and made the promoters think twice about trying that again.

GoodLord · 03-07-2014 07:46PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

You would barely hear a helicopter over the noise of a concert.

It would be almost insignificant, but nice that you agree with me that they have been refused based on the resident disruption grounds

agreeing with you does not make you right

Fred Swanson · 03-07-2014 07:47PM

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Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 03-07-2014 07:51PM

jack presley wrote: »

I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm just saying you should make sure it's the case (i.e. look at their submissions) before jumping to conclusions.

What about the condition about obeying instructions of the fire brigade? Was that because of a resident's complaint as well? How many of the conditions do you think an experienced, qualified licensing authority came up with themselves and how many would they not have thought of without prompting from the residents?

Yawn. You're going backwards now. Again, the reason for refusing the use of the helicopter was given in the document:

Reason: to minimize disruption to the neighborhood in which the concerts are taking place.

GoodLord wrote: »

agreeing with you does not make you right

That comment just about sums up the level of crap being posted on the thread.

Shameless.

Peppa Pig · 03-07-2014 07:51PM

Here you go

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Link please?

Titzon Toast · 03-07-2014 07:52PM

miju wrote: »

Oh yea good point because thats exactly what happened when more gigs were put on in Phoenix Park the following year after the SHM gigs :):)

That's a foolish example don't you think? Croke Park is smack bang in the middle of tiny residential streets. If there was massive trouble in those streets it would be curtains for anymore gigs in Croke Park.
End of.

ThisRegard · 03-07-2014 07:52PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Yawn. You're going backwards now. Again, the reason for refusing the use of the helicopter was given in the document:

That comment just about sums up the level of crap being posted on the thread.

Shameless.

Wow, just wow.

GoodLord · 03-07-2014 07:53PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Yawn. You're going backwards now. Again, the reason for refusing the use of the helicopter was given in the document:

That comment just about sums up the level of crap being posted on the thread.

Shameless.

it does not you think if someone agrees with you you are right? delusional
just an opinion

Rasheed · 03-07-2014 07:56PM

http://www.joe.ie/sports/sports-features/cavan-gaa-club-writes-hilarious-open-letter-as-they-bid-to-stage-cancelled-garth-brooks-concerts/

Cavan club has found the solution

Snake Plisken · 03-07-2014 07:57PM

They should have allowed the concerts to go ahead, but then say that's it no more concerts outside of the set out guidelines! Don't really have any sympathy for the local residents, if you buy a house near an airport you know your going to hear airplanes, if you buy a house beside a major national station you know your going to have large amounts of people going to watch events in these stadiums! If you don't like it I suggest you should sell up and move on!

ThisRegard · 03-07-2014 07:58PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

They should have allowed the concerts to go ahead, but then say that's it no more concerts outside of the set out guidelines! Don't really have any sympathy for the local residents, if you buy a house near an airport you know your going to hear airplanes, if you buy a house beside a major national station you know your going to have large amounts of people going to watch events in these stadiums! If you don't like it I suggest you should sell up and move on!

This argument, again?

jack presley · 03-07-2014 07:59PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Yawn. You're going backwards now. Again, the reason for refusing the use of the helicopter was given in the document:

That comment just about sums up the level of crap being posted on the thread.

Shameless.

Yes and maybe, just maybe the intelligent people granting the licence realised that helicopters cause noise and might cause disruption and included that condition themselves. Maybe it's a common condition for open air gigs in Ireland? I'd be interested in seeing the conditions for the One Direction gig or the gigs in Marlay park.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong here and will hold my hands up and admit it if it happens but until it's shown that the helicopter was mentioned by the residents, you're just guessing and looking for a reason to grab your pitchfork and flame torch.

Peppa Pig · 03-07-2014 08:05PM

jack presley wrote: »

until it's shown that the helicopter was mentioned by the residents,

It was mentioned in their objection letter, but only in the concern about noise pollution.

13. Environmental issues:
Include noise pollution from the concert, crowds, helicopters, sound checks particularly during the night.

Residents objections

Ace2007 · 03-07-2014 08:06PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

They should have allowed the concerts to go ahead, but then say that's it no more concerts outside of the set out guidelines! Don't really have any sympathy for the local residents, if you buy a house near an airport you know your going to hear airplanes, if you buy a house beside a major national station you know your going to have large amounts of people going to watch events in these stadiums! If you don't like it I suggest you should sell up and move on!

Wasn't there already an agreement in place - that the GAA chose to ignore?

Why are you blaming the residents about this - as EOTR already said it was the councils decision, not the residents, maybe the council knew if they award the licence that they would be brought to court and lose - and so they hope by awarding 3 days the legal action won't be taking?

Regarding your comment about the stadium - matches are played during the day - not at night - it would be like Dublin Airport operating 24 hour arrivals and departures - and saying to people in the flight path - tough **** about buying the house we're just going to fly all the time.

How many matches are playing on normal (non bank holiday) weekdays in Croke Park?

end of the road · 03-07-2014 08:06PM

fta93 wrote: »

Would guess Aiken saying they'll put the lot is bully tactics to try and force DCC to allow all 5.

Only Aiken/GAA to blame, they broke the agreement, blaming is residents is a bit low, considering they weren't the ones that broke the written agreement.

Also, lots and lots of elderly residents around the stadium, so saying 'why buy a house beside Croker if you don't like this' is a bit low too as most of them have been there for generations when Croker was just a Gaelic stadium.

(Punchestown would seem to be a fair alternative, good venue, has the capacity, and isnt too bad transport wise if done properly).

they broke no agreement, they applied for the events licence as required

Titzon Toast · 03-07-2014 08:06PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Quote the post where what you quoted ("Kick the mirrors off their cars") was said by the "classy poster" and I will forward €1000 into your PayPal account.

Lol. It was YOU who said that about the wing mirrors after all.
I think I will take that grand now.
My PayPal account name is.....Iheartgbbuthesnotplayingnow.
Thank you.xx

j8wk2feszrnpao · 03-07-2014 08:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, i just think croke park should fight back hard against people who had an opportunity not to be "disrupted" by their business yet continue to live there yet whine about it

You're doing some fine whining yourself.

Croker had an arrangement with the residents, which the GAA broke.

Aiken went to Croker with the plan to have GB.
The GAA already knew that they had booked their agreed 3 nights, so would have known that residents would object.
They should have sat down with the residents, consulted with DCC, and tried to reach a consensus.
Instead, Croker/Aiken went ahead with the sale of tickets, in the hope that they would get permission.
That permission was always unlikely to be given for 5 nights in a row.
They took a risk to annoy the residents (by breaking an agreement) and with peoples money by selling something they must have known was unlikely to be passed by the DCC.

end of the road · 03-07-2014 08:07PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

You wanted all the concerts going ahead

yes ideally, but the majority is the next best thing

end of the road · 03-07-2014 08:07PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The arrogance from Peter Aiken is incredible. Knew he was breaking the agreement and still felt he'd get away with it. Delighted the residents stood up to him.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2014/0703/20609352-peter-aiken-of-aiken-promotions-reacts-to-garth-brooks-concert-cancellations/

they broke no agreement, how many times

jack presley · 03-07-2014 08:08PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

It was mentioned in their objection letter, but only in the concern about noise pollution.

Residents objections

Thanks for that. Now that we have proof, I'll admit I was wrong.

miju · 03-07-2014 08:08PM

jack presley wrote: »

I'd be interested in seeing the conditions for the One Direction gig or the gigs in Marlay park.

They are all publicly available on the DCC website. This is the full Garth Brooks planning application for example

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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