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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #4382
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Yeah, like the gods forbid they have to get a licence , like they do in every other country!

    Problem is in every other country he would have got the licence. We are making ourselves look very foolish on the world stage. 5 concerts in a row at a major sports arena would be fine in most countries. Now looks like the whole thing will goto another country.


  • #4383
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The arrogance of the residents more like it ruining the enjoyment of so many people. He should have got the licences it's a travesty that it wasn't granted.

    Also literally stealing money out of people's pockets with the millions being lost in the local economy.

    Residents didn't refuse permission, why do some people find it so hard to understand this?


  • #4384
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The arrogance of the residents more like it ruining the enjoyment of so many people. He should have got the licences it's a travesty that it wasn't granted.

    Also literally stealing money out of people's pockets with the millions being lost in the local economy.


    Yea disgusting how the residents what a good nights sleep on a week night. :rolleyes:


  • #4385
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I feel bad for the people who were going to the 2 concerts that were cancelled.

    None of this is their fault.


  • #4386
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Titzon Toast wrote: »
    It was said a few pages back by a truly classy poster.

    Quote the post where what you quoted ("Kick the mirrors off their cars") was said by the "classy poster" and I will forward €1000 into your PayPal account.


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  • #4387
    asteroids over berlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭asteroids over berlin


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    It gets worse..

    The residents objected to the use of a helicopter being used to film the concerts and he must be off stage by 10:30pm on the Sunday. Whatever about the curfew, the fact that they cannot film aerial shots of the gig and the crowd arriving etc, make it a farce. Like him or loathe him, this is the guy's comeback concert and he has chosen this stadium out of all others that he could have picked, including many in his own country and he has this crap to deal with. I wouldn't blame him if he pulled out of all gigs and played Madison Square Garden (or similar) instead as this is just taking the piss.

    http://dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Press/Documents/LicenceDecisionNoticeGarthBrooks.pdf

    a lot of bands start or finish tours here, as the next stop from us is the US or indeed the UK onwards

    Helicopta's rock though! yeah me and my helicopta baby.......


  • #4388
    Aineoil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    The planning permission for the expansion of Croke Park included a proviso that would allow a maximum of 3 concerts per year. Who's broken the agreement here?

    How are the residents at fault?

    I agree with you. The GAA broke their own agreement.


  • #4389
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    It gets worse..

    The residents objected to the use of a helicopter being used to film the concerts and he must be off stage by 10:30pm on the Sunday. Whatever about the curfew, the fact that they cannot film aerial shots of the gig and the crowd arriving etc, make it a farce. Like him or loathe him, this is the guy's comeback concert and he has chosen this stadium out of all others that he could have picked, including many in his own country and he has this crap to deal with. I wouldn't blame him if he pulled out of all gigs and played Madison Square Garden (or similar) instead as this is just taking the piss.

    http://dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Press/Documents/LicenceDecisionNoticeGarthBrooks.pdf

    Where does it say the residents objected to the use of a helicopter? Condition 17 says they aren't permitted to minimise disruption but for all you know that was a condition put in by the council without any lobbying by the residents. Have you seen the resident's submissions? I haven't so maybe they did object to helicopters but unless you've seen the submission, you shouldn't jump to those conclusions. Do you think all conditions are a direct result of the resident's complaints?


  • #4390
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    end of the road wrote: »
    not at all, if your arguing that 5 licences would set a precedent then its all ready done, 3 concerts and the 3 1 d concerts. 6 concerts. so the council don't see a problem with more then 3 concerts been had in croke park

    They have set a precedent that they will need to he more careful in future about organizing events without permission and that is a good thing


  • #4391
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Problem is in every other country he would have got the licence. We are making ourselves look very foolish on the world stage. 5 concerts in a row at a major sports arena would be fine most countries.

    Not when the original planning permission expressly stated 3 a year.
    Delighted that the council has set down a marker and defended the rights of the residents against the unbridled arrogance and greed of the GAA and Aiken!
    Serve them right if Brooks pulls out completely, might teach the arrogant feckerss some respect for the community.


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  • #4392
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    The planning permission for the expansion of Croke Park included a proviso that would allow a maximum of 3 concerts per year. Who's broken the agreement here?

    How are the residents at fault?

    The Residents are just being NIMBY's. Yes the Planning may state that but the fact is that over 400,000 tickets have been sold and and around 1 in 8 people living on Irish soil have made plans for the event. The proper thing would be to allow it proceed and then ensure that a repeat of 5 nights in a row doesn't happen again.

    Oh and just before people go defending the residents, remember it is an inner city location and I myself have no particular appreciation for the sort of demograph which lives within the vicinity of Croke Park. These people living nearby get tickets and these are people feeding the scalpers and touts many of the touts are these people. I have no love loss for them anyway and if it were upto me I'd throw on a few more Garth Brooks concerts and a few Fr. Fintan Stack Jungle Music gigs just to entertain the begrudgers even more.

    I'm sure the fine people of Dublin 4 would have no objections if it was 5 nights in the Aviva, they'd be capitalizing and making money out of it.


  • #4393
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Problem is in every other country he would have got the licence. We are making ourselves look very foolish on the world stage. 5 concerts in a row at a major sports arena would be fine in most countries. Now looks like the whole thing will goto another country.

    Most countries don't have major stadiums built inside residential areas.


  • #4394
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Most countries don't have major stadiums built inside residential areas.

    You mean the city centre of Irelands capital city ?


  • #4395
    ThisRegard
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm sure the fine people of Dublin 4 would have no objections if it was 5 nights in the Aviva, they'd be capitalizing and making money out of it.

    I'll take that bet from you. Easy money.


  • #4396
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm sure the fine people of Dublin 4 would have no objections if it was 5 nights in the Aviva, they'd be capitalizing and making money out of it.

    No! The reason they live in Dublin 4 is that they have already made enough money!!! :pac:


  • #4397
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Residents are just being NIMBY's. Yes the Planning may state that but the fact is that over 400,000 tickets have been sold and and around 1 in 8 people living on Irish soil have made plans for the event. The proper thing would be to allow it proceed and then ensure that a repeat of 5 nights in a row doesn't happen again.

    Or we could just penalise promoters who choose to ignore planning regulations? If DCC let them away with it, what's to stop them doing the exact same next year?

    The residents didn't make any decisions here, so I don't see how they're being "NIMBY's"? This decision was made by Dublin City Council, in which they cited the An Bord Pleanala stipulation and historical norms. The blame here goes to Aiken/GAA, nobody else. Nobody else broke any agreements.


  • #4398
    Menas
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    No! The reason they live in Dublin 4 is that they have already made enough money!!! :pac:

    Except Ringsend....nicely situated between the aviva and the o2!


  • #4399
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You mean the city centre.

    No, a residential area, and was recognised as such at the time the planning permission was sought to redevelop Croke Park.


  • #4400
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You mean the city centre.

    That's true, most of the world's large stadia are built outside city centres. I'm glad you've noticed the difference.


  • #4401
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Yea disgusting how the residents what a good nights sleep on a week night. :rolleyes:

    The poor things, can't put up with a couple of nights in the whole year with a bit of noise. My heart bleeds for them. You would swear it was 150 nights, it was going to be 5 bloody nights, a bit of a bad nights sleep wasn't going to do a thing on them.


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  • #4402
    Aineoil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    What's a NIMBY?


  • #4403
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Are you serious??

    He announced the Croke Park gigs on the Leno show as there was and always has been, a massive interest in him performing again.

    Really good answer, except my question was not "On which late-night chat show did Garth Brooks announce the Croke Park concerts?" Would he sell out Wembley or the Stade de France or the fookin' Maracanas? I think not. In fact, outside the 'red states' of America he'd struggle to fill mid-size arenas.


  • #4404
    knird evol
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    the majority of scalpers we see on big event days are fed tickets by these "wonderful people" you see living around Croker.


    Can you explain your thinking behind this?


  • #4405
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The poor things, can't put up with a couple of nights in the whole year with a bit of noise. My heart bleeds for them. You would swear it was 150 night, it was going to be 5 bloody nights, a bit of a bad nights sleep wasn't going to do a thing on them.

    You want 365 nights in a row though no? Anything else is stealing from the local economy apparently. :pac:


  • #4406
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    The poor things, can't put up with a couple of nights in the whole year with a bit of noise. My heart bleeds for them. You would swear it was 150 night, it was going to be 5 bloody nights, a bit of a bad nights sleep wasn't going to do a thing on them.

    Are you forgetting the other concerts already there? You don't really know a lot on the subject given how vehemently you're arguing about it.


  • #4407
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Aineoil wrote: »
    What's a NIMBY?

    Not in my back yard


  • #4408
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Residents are just being NIMBY's. Yes the Planning may state that but the fact is that over 400,000 tickets have been sold and and around 1 in 8 people living on Irish soil have made plans for the event. The proper thing would be to allow it proceed and then ensure that a repeat of 5 nights in a row doesn't happen again.

    Oh and just before people go defending the residents, remember it is an inner city location and I myself have no particular appreciation for the sort of demograph which lives within the vicinity of Croke Park. These people living nearby get tickets and these are people feeding the scalpers and touts many of the touts are these people. I have no love loss for them anyway and if it were upto me I'd throw on a few more Garth Brooks concerts and a few Fr. Fintan Stack Jungle Music gigs just to entertain the begrudgers even more.

    I'm sure the fine people of Dublin 4 would have no objections if it was 5 nights in the Aviva, they'd be capitalizing and making money out of it.
    I thought you would be happy that someone stood up to the GAA. After all, you think of them as sell out's and traitors.
    There is now two organizations, one which has its rural, grass roots, Nationalistic Irish pride and another which wears a suit and wants everything to be about Money and if their sell-out of Croke Park wasn't bad enough now they have a British Company over here in Ireland with exclusive rights to show our national game.

    BskyB has a million and a half subscribers in Ireland and pays not one red cent in VAT to the Irish exchequer and 20% of every payments goes to the British Treasury in Westminster.
    There was a day when the GAA was something to be proud of and something that unified the nation in very dark times. They are sell-out's and quite frankly traitors to all the great men and women who went before them to build what was a great organisation.

    Link


  • #4409
    [Deleted User]
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    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    You want 365 nights in a row though no? Anything else is stealing from the local economy apparently. :pac:

    Don't be ridiculous of course you have to have a limited number of concerts per year but I'd be thinking 10 or 12 rather than the 6 this year.


  • #4410
    Happyman42
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    The people who will miss out here will get over it, it' just a gig that some got over excited about.
    What the residents faced here if the GAA and promoters got away with this was life altering however.
    I don't want to spoil anyone's fun but I know who's side I am on.


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  • #4411
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Stinicker wrote: »
    What is needed here is to give the residents the same treatment as was dished out to the crusties above in Mayo who tried blocking the Gas Pipeline. The Consumer should come first before the interests of some two bit residents association and the left-wing Sinn Fein city council.

    Personally I hope the GAA throw 3 big knacker fest raves in Croke Park next year. Maybe then the residents will understand what disruption really is :p:p:p


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