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SSM Referendum Spring 2015

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  • #752
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    So you agree that suggestion is homophobic?

    the link between homosexuality and paedophilia is not something I'd be anywhere near qualified to comment on,but my opinion is I doubt there is.now may I get your opinion on the question I asked you? third times a charm maybe;)


  • #753
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is easier to hide abuse in a family setting. We know from cases it is often years after the abuse the abuser is exposed by the victim.

    So just ban adoptions then?

    All kids with no parents should be just thrown into a septic tank?


  • #754
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is easier to hide abuse in a family setting. We know from cases it is often years after the abuse the abuser is exposed by the victim.

    So you're against all marriage then seeing as you view any potential marriage as a sham to get access to kids to abuse?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #755
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The stats show men are many many more times likely to abuse than a woman is.
    The case is strong for woman/woman adoption, much weaker for men overall.

    The stats may also show that people with black hair are more likely to abuse, should these people be banned from adopting as well?

    Your falling guilty to many probabilistic fallacies using this argument.


  • #756
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You haven't answered any questions. You just keep going off topic by referring to how men will abuse kids, which has nothing to do with the upcoming SSM Referendum.



    I'm not even going to bother responding to those posts of his anymore. He's already stated he is voting no, nothing will change his mind. Letting him spout this nonsense just convinces people on the fence that maybe they should vote no just in case. It's a strawman argument as the SSM outcome will have no bearing on the adoption laws anyway.


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  • #757
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'm not even going to bother responding to those posts of his anymore. He's already stated he is voting no, nothing will change his mind. Letting him spout this nonsense just convinces people on the fence that maybe they should vote no just in case. It's a strawman argument as the SSM outcome will have no bearing on the adoption laws anyway.

    I actually think reading his posts would encourage people on the fence to vote Yes. Which is why I hope this thread and Robert KKs views gets read far and wide.


  • #758
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    fran17 wrote: »
    the link between homosexuality and paedophilia is not something I'd be anywhere near qualified to comment on,but my opinion is I doubt there is.now may I get your opinion on the question I asked you? third times a charm maybe;)
    Thats not answering my question at all.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #759
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'm not even going to bother responding to those posts of his anymore. He's already stated he is voting no, nothing will change his mind. Letting him spout this nonsense just convinces people on the fence that maybe they should vote no just in case. It's a strawman argument as the SSM outcome will have no bearing on the adoption laws anyway.

    Alternatively, he could be triggering the "Westboro effect", in which fence-sitters vote yes in order to distance themselves from his loo-lah leaps of 'logic'.


  • #760
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'm not even going to bother responding to those posts of his anymore. He's already stated he is voting no, nothing will change his mind. Letting him spout this nonsense just convinces people on the fence that maybe they should vote no just in case. It's a strawman argument as the SSM outcome will have no bearing on the adoption laws anyway.

    I will give you the same courtesy.


  • #761
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'm not even going to bother responding to those posts of his anymore. He's already stated he is voting no, nothing will change his mind. Letting him spout this nonsense just convinces people on the fence that maybe they should vote no just in case. It's a strawman argument as the SSM outcome will have no bearing on the adoption laws anyway.

    Actually hopefully it would be the opposite and people would see the scurrilous nasty disgusting claims from the no side and be more motivated to vote yes.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #762
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Muise... wrote: »
    Alternatively, he could be triggering the "Westboro effect", in which fence-sitters vote yes in order to distance themselves from his loo-lah leaps of 'logic'.

    I won't be out campaigning. The motion will pass or fail on its own merits.


  • #763
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    RobertKK wrote: »
    They are, cases in Australia, the UK and US show this is happening.
    Would really love to see proof of this. Have you got a link?


  • #764
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    OP should have a poll. Or perhaps somebody could open a thread with a poll?


  • #765
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I will give you the same courtesy.

    please do, i find your attitude that gay men with children are child molesters highly disgusting and i can't understand why your filth is allowed remain up.


  • #766
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Thats not answering my question at all.

    your not a politician by any chance:pac:

    to me I answered it but ok,i doubt,imho,there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia so then to claim one is would be homophobic.
    now minister,can you please answer the question asked in post #705?


  • #767
    housetypeb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The stats show men are many many more times likely to abuse than a woman is.
    The case is strong for woman/woman adoption, much weaker for men overall.

    So it's a sliding scale with you.

    2 men, no marriage,to protect the children.
    2 women, marriage,maybe,children still not safe.
    man woman, Marriage ok, still dodgy enough with the children.


  • #768
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Actually hopefully it would be the opposite and people would see the scurrilous nasty disgusting claims from the no side and be more motivated to vote yes.

    If you really think they are scurrilous and nasty. I will post detailed cases of same sex marriage advocates and those who wanted SSM and where convictions have occurred.


  • #769
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    fran17 wrote: »
    your not a politician by any chance:pac:

    to me I answered it but ok,i doubt,imho,there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia so then to claim one is would be homophobic.
    now minister,can you please answer the question asked in post #705?

    Lol so you agree that RKKs posts were homophobic yet you accused me of throwing the word around lightly!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #770
    westernfrenzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭westernfrenzy


    Funny how the homophobes only reveal themselves when a debate on same sex marriage occurs..


  • #771
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If you really think they are scurrilous and nasty. I will post detailed cases of same sex marriage advocates and those who wanted SSM and where convictions have occurred.

    They are scurrilous and nasty.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #772
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If you really think they are scurrilous and nasty. I will post detailed cases of same sex marriage advocates and those who wanted SSM and where convictions have occurred.
    Any chance of a link here, Robert? I do believe you have a habit of making a pretty broad claim then disappearing.
    They are, cases in Australia, the UK and US show this is happening.


  • #773
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If you really think they are scurrilous and nasty. I will post detailed cases of same sex marriage advocates and those who wanted SSM and where convictions have occurred.

    The key thing here would be to post proof of direct links between these three groups and events.

    Otherwise, CT forum >>>>>


  • #774
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If you really think they are scurrilous and nasty. I will post detailed cases of same sex marriage advocates and those who wanted SSM and where convictions have occurred.

    just to be clear, you have evidence to show that two heterosexual men married so they could subsequently adopt and molest children?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #775
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Would really love to see proof of this. Have you got a link?

    If it's the same guff he was spouting months ago, it'll turn out the the paedos weren't married and bought a child, faking the adoption.

    So nothing to do with anything.


  • #776
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Lol so you agree that RKKs posts were homophobic yet you accused me of throwing the word around lightly!

    I rest my case your honour...


  • #777
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    fran17 wrote: »
    the word "homophobic" has been beaten to death already in this thread,including twice by your good self in this post.tell me,in your opinion is it possible for somebody to disapprove of gay marriage and not be "homophobic" also? if so then how?

    I dont know is the answer to your question.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #778
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    If it's the same guff he was spouting months ago, it'll turn out the the paedos weren't married and bought a child, faking the adoption.

    So nothing to do with anything.

    But they were men! Men cant be trusted around children. Im sure Robert did/will do what is best for his children and hand them over to 2 lesbians where the children are safest.


  • #779
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    I think we should ban all men, just in case they abuse children. We can't risk it.

    All men must report to their nearest cliff and proceed to jump off it.


  • #780
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I think we should ban all men, just in case they abuse children. We can't risk it.

    All men must report to their nearest cliff and proceed to jump off it.

    Is there anything to be said for banning children, maybe?


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  • #781
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I think we should ban all men, just in case they abuse children. We can't risk it.

    All men must report to their nearest cliff and proceed to jump off it.

    We should ban the internet. Its not natural.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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