Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

rob316 · 25-06-2014 10:30AM

He is essentially a Liverpool player on loan to Uruguay to fulfil his international duties. That is my problem no one will give a ****e he did it with Uruguay all you will hear about is Liverpool Liverpool Liverpool. :mad:

Grayditch · 25-06-2014 10:31AM

I used to think the biting thing was much more clever than it seemed, when both times we've seen it was when he was angling for a move. And even now, driving down a price, so we sell him came to mind, but no, there's no way he'd throw away his World Cup for that. He's definitely a mental.

patmac · 25-06-2014 10:31AM

United fan here, what a nightmare for ye, brought my nephew to the Norwich match last year, stood in the KOP and was well impressed by the passion of the fans, and like it or not Suarez is everything to Liverpool, the way he rehabilitated himself after the last bite, nearly leading Liverpool to this years League. The home win against City must seem very far away now.
Even if he gets away with just an international ban he's a time bomb waiting to happen and could transgress at any time again.
The big question you must ask yourselves is Why? The whole thing makes no sense Rogers has a massive task on for next year no matter what the outcome.

Sappy404 · 25-06-2014 10:32AM

rob316 wrote: »

I cant believe that so many posters are ignorant to the damage this does to Liverpool Football Club...again!

I'm tired of this individual disrespecting this club. Kenny backed him to the last and he got the bullet, Rodgers has done the same. How long will Rodgers put up with been made a fool of by Suarez? How long will LFC put up with it?

He cant be trusted, what good is it building a team around a player who could miss 10 games a season through suspension.

Everyone always preaches no one player is bigger than the club. This has certainly become the case with Luis Suarez.

Sorry, but Liverpool are well within their rights to say this has nothing to do with them. He was representing his country at an international tournament. Liverpool, the FA, and the Premier League are not responsible for any fallout here. I'm sure the club will put any possible sale of the player into a different context now, but that's it.

mike65 · 25-06-2014 10:34AM

NEDDURC wrote: »

If you remember after the Evra issues. Daglish stuck by Suarez strongly only for the club to come out of it looking abit silly.

After the Ivanovic bite there was a completely different response. Rodgers siad that nobody is above the club and Liverpool strongly critised his actions at a time when it looked like we might be pushing him out of the club. The opposite was the case. Suarez took his medicince and came back determined and focused.

I'm not saying I know for certain what will happen but I think the club definitely have an issue here. I think they will probably keep the head down for a day or two to see what way this plays out and what FIFA decide to do. But personally I would let it be know that they too think it's unacceptable and that disciplinary action will be taken (could just be a fine and some sort of therapy!)

This is actually the issue that may cook Suarez goose -

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

How do we think Rodgers feels this morning having spent much of last summer dealing with him and listening to him trying to get inside his head so he doesn't do it again and then he does do it again. Same for the owners, they might be wondering if too much time and energy is being spent on one very high maintenance "asset" of considerable but risky value.

djPSB · 25-06-2014 10:35AM

mike65 wrote: »

Has anyone given a thought to the family of Suarez, the man has reduced his nations chances by about 50% I'd say, they must wish the ground could open up instead of having 3.5 million people pointing their fingers at him. Not to mention what his wife and daughter must be thinking "why does daddy bit people" is not the sort of question that's easily explained to an adult never mind a 4 year old.

Someone think of the children.

Knex* · 25-06-2014 10:35AM

There really is no point trying to rationalise Suarez's actions and speculating, "Why?".

Aside from the apparent, that his will to win is all consuming and fear of failure must be something that we cannot relate to (even this doesn't come close to excusing what he does), the fact of the matter is, he's mental.

Shake him and he'd rattle.

jmayo · 25-06-2014 10:39AM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I cannot see a scenario where Liverpool will discipline him for something that happened in an international game. But I can certainly see a scenario where Brendan Rodgers realises that Suarez cannot be trusted on a football pitch, and flogs him. I am a Pool fan and he's a truly world class player that I'd love to be able to keep for the rest of his career, but he's got to go now, for the good of Liverpool FC. How long before he does something stupid again in a red shirt and gets a 2 year club ban? If that happens, he wont be worth anything.

When he was disciplined in the PL he was still able to play for Uruguay.
The ban was only in England.

FIFA will probably ban him from international competitions with his country which should have no affect on him playing for Liverpool.

FIFA do have the power to ban someone from all football related activity in which case it does impact on Liverpool.

Just see recent example of Franz Beckenbauer who was provisionally banned from taking part in any football-related activity, at any level, for 90 days.

And Mohamed Bin Hammam of course was banned for life.
I think Paolo Rossi was banned form all football for 3 years, shortened to 2 so that he eventually could win Italy the WC.

The bigger affect this has for Liverpool is his resale value.
Barca will not want to touch him and the rest will also be wary.

noodler · 25-06-2014 10:42AM

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

As a Man U fan I'd have to agree with this.

I don't like ranking one physical assault over another, because they're all unacceptable, but it's hard to imagine a worse case than Cantona's. It still makes for shocking viewing.

I'd say the same about Keane. Some (though not all) Man U fans regularly look back on that moment with glee, relishing in Keane's tough-guy persona. In reality it was the worst moment of Keane's club career, and is one of the most cynical tackles in Premier League history. Contemptible behaviour from the Cork man.

However, I'd disagree with you about Giggs. Fair enough, his private life has revealed him to be a disgusting individual. But it's his private life. There's no comparison with the Suarez, Keane and Cantona incidents. A player's private life can interfere with his duties at the club, but I'd argue that that did not happen here.

One final thing: Suarez isn't fit enough to wear the Liverpool jersey. You're taking that as a criticism, and perhaps it is when some people say it. But I mean it as a compliment. He has bitten three different players, he has been convicted of using racist language and he's regularly accused of diving and playacting. To me, that does not sound like a Liverpool player.

I understand you don't want to lose the best striker in the world, but you should want your club to hold itself to a higher standard. This man doesn't deserve to wear the famous red of Liverpool FC.

Its difficult to make those who criticise have some perspective without appearing to be defending the incident.

Just to reiterate, I can't defend the incident. But Utd fans didn't enmasse scream that Keane is not being fit to wear the Jersey after the Haaland incident (or numeous other red cards) or after Cantona assualted a fan. Do these incidents sound befitting of players who wear the Man U jersey?

Thats all I am saying.

Chucky the tree · 25-06-2014 10:43AM

Suarez is no different to Rooney or Roy Keane. He snaps and does something violent. He just happens to resort to biting people instead of stamping, kicking or elbowing. The difference is probably that he just grew up in an environment that made biting as acceptable as punching etc.

25-06-2014 10:49AM

I hope Rodgers rings him today and has a word with him....

Sappy404 · 25-06-2014 10:54AM

Grayditch wrote: »

I used to think the biting thing was much more clever than it seemed, when both times we've seen it was when he was angling for a move. And even now, driving down a price, so we sell him came to mind, but no, there's no way he'd throw away his World Cup for that. He's definitely a mental.

It's probably cost him hundreds of thousands of pounds in sponsorship/endorsement money as well.

5live · 25-06-2014 10:58AM

The Pontiac wrote: »

Vinne Jones should have been banned very early in his career, filthy player.

Keane was never a dirty player, only that one time. He justified it by what Haaland said to him while Keane was lying down seriously injured. I wouldn't agree on Keane's actions, but at least there was a reason. It was a discussing tackle by Keane and he should have a got a six month ban from all football activity IMO.

Luis Suarez on the other hand comes across as if he's got serious mental imbalance issues, but no Liverpool supporter on this thread seems to acknowledge this. It's all about the league next season(will he stay etc.) or how much money they will get for him.

I always thought the mantra was - "You'll never walk alone"? Guess it isn't.

:mad:

NEDDURC · 25-06-2014 11:00AM

Fieldog wrote: »

I hope Rodgers rings him today and has a word with him....

I think you are right here. I think someone from Liverpool should suggest to him that he needs to be super humble now and hope for the best. Even help draft his statement to FIFA.

I'd be worried that Uruguay may take an agressive approach here that will turn out badly!!

taidghbaby · 25-06-2014 11:02AM

There are currently at least 3 different threads now discussing Suarez!

BenEadir · 25-06-2014 11:06AM

NEDDURC wrote: »

I said that Liverpool will be under pressure to implement some sort of disciplinary action

Why should LFC discipline Suarez over this? Is there a single example in world football where a player breaks the rules representing his country and is then punished by his club?

This is LFC and our motto is YNWA. Louis broke the rules and FIFA/Uruguay should punish him accordingly. LFC should not punish him they should help him. This biting business can no longer be considered a once off "moment of madness". There is a psychological issue here. He doesn't know and/or respect the line between win at all costs and unacceptable behaviour. It's possible he has some sort of mental illness/condition. He needs help and LFC should facilitate that help. He shouldn't have to walk alone. The club and its fans should stand by him just as you would stand by any player who had an injury or illness.

Things Suarez didn't do:-

1. He didn't go out to intentionally break a fellow professional footballers leg because you didn't like a comment he made to you in a previous match - Roy Keane admitted violent intent in his biography. "I'd waited long enough. I f*****g hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c**t.
'And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries. Even in the dressing room afterwards, I had no remorse. My attitude was, f*** him." Not a moment of madness but premeditated violence. Ask Giorgio Chiellini if he had a choice between having pre mediated violence inflicted on him by a skin head Roy Kean or a bite from Louis Suarez which would her prefer?

2. He didn't jump into the crowd and assault a member of the public - Eric Cantonna

3. He didn't conveniently "forget" to do a urine test for banned substances including cocaine - Rio Ferdinand.

What Suarez did yesterday and twice previously is totally unacceptable and I don't know a single LFC fan who condones it or makes excuses for it but when fans of other clubs get on their high horse and use it as a stick to beat LFC with perhaps they should realise that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Ben

25-06-2014 11:06AM

Is there a possibility that Suarez appeals whatever ban is given to him and continues to play in the World Cup?
It's feasible that Uruguay officials/Management Team suggest appealing so that he is available for the rest of the World Cup. If it happened it could turn into a circus.

I hope Brendan Rodgers does speak to him and advises him to issue a grovelling apology and that he'll take whatever punishment is dished out to him.

grumpymunster · 25-06-2014 11:07AM

taidghbaby wrote: »

There are currently at least 3 different threads now discussing Suarez!

Its better than work :rolleyes:

Dubliner28 · 25-06-2014 11:07AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

He let down himself.

If he scores 30 goals next season I'll not care less that he bit an Italian.

* Insert winning trophies here *

Turtyturd · 25-06-2014 11:07AM

taidghbaby wrote: »

There are currently at least 3 different threads now discussing Suarez!

With the same "football" fans contributing to all of them.

taidghbaby · 25-06-2014 11:09AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

With the same "football" fans contributing to all of them.

Aye

IK09 · 25-06-2014 11:09AM

I dunno what everyone is on about. Outraged this, disgraceful that, its Suarez. We all know who he is, we all know what he is.

Anyone who is surprised by his behavior needs to:

(a) Watch more football
or
(b) Go post somewhere else

I honestly find it very hard to believe that people are surprised that he bit someone....again. If you feel so strongly about it, dont watch games with him playing.

LFC Fan.

Devilman40k · 25-06-2014 11:10AM

the maddest thing of all is..how many games he has been/will be suspended for vs the number of red cards he has ever received.

He has 2 reds in his professional career I think (1 with Uruguay the other with Groningen)...yet has missed 26 matches for offences where he didn't get a red card!

NabyLadistheman · 25-06-2014 11:10AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

'Cannot be trusted.'

'Has to go for the good of Liverpool FC.'

'How long before he gets a 2 year ban.'

This stuff is hilarious.

These are the same people who no doubt said the same after the Chelsea incident but were his most vocal supporter as he nearly guided us to the title.

I see this one way and one way only. I don't condone what he has done, it was a terrible act and the fact he has repeated it in such proximity to the original one against Chelsea is a big worry. But in no way do I think the club should get rid of him because of this. Who cared about the image of the club when we were knocking around in 7th place, no hope in sight.

We must work hard to resolve whatever issues drive him to do this. But he is a Liverpool player and it is something as a club we must resolve.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-06-2014 11:11AM

Has Suarez ever been banned from playign for Uruguay for an incident commited during a club game?

If Fifa ban him from club competitions, could it have legal ramafications? I mean, Liverpool are in no way at fault for this, but a club-sanctioned punishment could impact them financially at the very least.

dan719 · 25-06-2014 11:13AM

Liverpool fans never take responsibilty for anything, do they? Not too long ago ye were blaming anyone and everyone but your own fans in the Heysel thread. I hope ye do keep Suarez, and in another six to twelve months he'll do the same thing again in a Liverpool jersey. Another ten plus match ban. He's a loose cannon, and his club and country let him away with it. Why would he change so?

ricero · 25-06-2014 11:14AM

Any news on sanchez ? Heard thompson said something about him earlier on newstalk ?

Devilman40k · 25-06-2014 11:15AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Has Suarez ever been banned from playign for Uruguay for an incident commited during a club game?

If Fifa ban him from club competitions, could it have legal ramafications? I mean, Liverpool are in no way at fault for this, but a club-sanctioned punishment could impact them financially at the very least.

IF that were to happen then the only place they could go would be to Suarez himself.

FIFA are exempt from that, Liverpool could appeal the severity and take it all the way to the CAS, but ultimately if they failed the only way to recoup lost earnings/income is from the player for possible breach of contract.

The Mutu/Chelsea case is an example of this

Turtyturd · 25-06-2014 11:16AM

dan719 wrote: »

Liverpool fans never take responsibilty for anything, do they? Not too long ago ye were blaming anyone and everyone but your own fans in the Heysel thread. I hope ye do keep Suarez, and in another six to twelve months he'll do the same thing again in a Liverpool jersey. Another ten plus match ban. He's a loose cannon, and his club and country let him away with it. Why would he change so?

It's all my fault...cheers Dan.

Dickerty · 25-06-2014 11:18AM

dan719 wrote: »

Liverpool fans never take responsibilty for anything, do they? Not too long ago ye were blaming anyone and everyone but your own fans in the Heysel thread. I hope ye do keep Suarez, and in another six to twelve months he'll do the same thing again in a Liverpool jersey. Another ten plus match ban. He's a loose cannon, and his club and country let him away with it. Why would he change so?

Troll! Trooollll in the dungeon!!

Why would fans of a club team take responsiblity for something a player does while with his international side?

Ok, I admit it, IT'S ALL MY FAULT!!!

:rolleyes:

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