Avoiding Carbs, is this healthy/good/too much?

SteelyDanJalapeno · 20-06-2014 3:05pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Certainly not- very little training unfortunately. Some golf!

Height 183 cm - just over 6 ft

Weight 76 kg (2 years ago about 88kg)

Body fat 14% (done couple of years ago was over 21%)

BMR 7841 kj
1874. kcal
Visceral Fat rating = 3
BMI = 22.5

Any chance of an average day?

Bruno26 · 20-06-2014 3:07pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Bruno out of interest can you post up what you'd eat in a day?

It sounds like you wouldn't touch carbs with a barge pole so it should be interesting. Do you drink or eat junk food at all?

I do eat carbs.

A sample would be the following:

Breakfast: 4 slices bacon and 3/4 eggs omelette with cheese and creme fraiche or Greek yogurt and berries

Coffee with butter & coconut oil or cream

Lunch: 2 chicken breast (sometimes fish) cooked in coconut oil, lots of broccoli and asparagus (maybe sprouts, spinach or kale) with butter, maybe sweet potato with butter

Dinner: 1/2 rib eye steak (sometimes curry or chicken tikka masala) lots of green veg again , maybe carrots with butter

Snacks could be Greek yogurt, macadamia nuts, almond butter, dark chocolate.

2-3 coffee a day with butter or cream.

Drank once in last 5 months.

Zero junk food.

Bruno26 · 20-06-2014 7:32pm

Why fat, not carbs are the preferred fuel for the human body.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/#axzz345ykzLCj

Bruno26 · 20-06-2014 7:52pm

Essien wrote: »

It's not a diet apparently. Everyone except Bruno is on a diet.

I eat a diet of certain foods. It's the idea of being on a diet (eating less) that I detest, as being on a diet is unsustainable. More often than not when you come off the diet and go back to old habits the weight goes back on.

I eat as much food as I desire. No restrictions on amounts.

siochain · 20-06-2014 8:03pm

generic2012 wrote: »

No. And carbs don't make you fat. Everything cleared up?

No but the majority of carbs the average joe eats leads to more carbs than the average needs to fuel the average joes daily energy needs. So why be a average?

siochain · 20-06-2014 8:11pm

ford2600 wrote: »

OP just a few comments
* You've lost 3 stone, well done; you obviously have corrected something and know what you are doing.
* Nobody knows your body better than you. If you learned something that works, by accident or by taking on advice, stick to it.
* You eat a lot of whole foods and obviously cook; your a lot of the way there
* What works for you may not work for someone else and vice versa

I think you post in cycling forum and I will be starting a thread there soon on cycling and food. Over the years I've gotten more and more interested at your typical cyclist/sportive rider and their struggles with weight. My thread will generate more questions than answers but it may interest you

10 months into a 12 month experiment on eating high fat low carb to power ultra long distance cycling and will at end detail MY experiences. I should add I've never been overweight and don't run that badly on high carb.

However most guys I know that cycle, other than the skinny mountain goat types, struggle somewhat with weight and are convinced that high carb is the only way to power cycling. I know guys who do race the ras and despite cycling 400km plus a week struggle with weight.

PM me when you start that tread I'd be interested a to follow it. I convinced a few middle and long distance runners to switch from high carbs in the diets and gels and stuff during races to good fat sources and the results were better than I even expected.

TimeToShine · 20-06-2014 9:05pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

I eat a diet of certain foods. It's the idea of being on a diet (eating less) that I detest, as being on a diet is unsustainable. More often than not when you come off the diet and go back to old habits the weight goes back on.

I eat as much food as I desire. No restrictions on amounts.

Your diet is very good - I'll give you that much.

The fact that you can eat "as much as you want" and not put on weight is a pure coincidence. A 6' relatively active male will struggle to eat 3k+ calories when you take junk and simple carbs out, and since your diet is mostly meat and veg it's nearly impossible unless you try really, really hard.

Try putting a 5' 45kg woman on your exact diet and we'll see if she doesn't put on weight. I don't deny that what you do is working, in fact I'd be shocked if it didn't - but it's more a result of circumstance rather than what you think.

Having said that, if you can get anyone to believe what you're peddling I have no doubt it will work brilliantly. In the end it doesn't matter if there's science to back it up or not, the right thing is the right thing regardless of what it takes to get you to do it. So if anyone agrees with Bruno then by all means go ahead - everything he says will aid your fitness goals and I stand by that 100%. If you're looking for peer reviewed studies to back up his information before you put it in practice I suggest you reconsider. All the arguing here is just pedantic, everyone knows what it comes down to; eat plenty of meat, fresh vegetables, and good fats. No junk food, keep carbs to a minimum unless you work a physically exerting job (debateable). Lift weights, run/swim, and stretch a few times a week and you'll be fine.

ford2600 · 20-06-2014 9:06pm

siochain wrote: »

PM me when you start that tread I'd be interested a to follow it. I convinced a few middle and long distance runners to switch from high carbs in the diets and gels and stuff during races to good fat sources and the results were better than I even expected.

Will do Sir.

Doing the Mile failte 1200 starting tomorrow so it'll be interesting to see how I fair on that.

Whatever about racing for 3hrs where your hr might average 150-160 for long distance stuff at a hr average 130ish the body is very very adaptable to running on fat. I'm an average cyclist at best but can do things on high fat I can't do on high carb.

Check out Barry Murray optimumnutritionf4sport( for BMC nutritionist) and check out@enduro who posts on boards; he is a ultra distance runner

Are you a coach or personal trainer? I've never seen you post something that wasn't very informative or helpful.

siochain · 21-06-2014 12:05am

Coached in a few team and individual sports over the years. This year I've been involved with a GAA club for the first time and I will do work one on one but only with people who are really committed to a goal. For me it's a very rewarding hobbie.

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 11:19am

@Bruno26 why do you just ignore posts that provide evidence against your view? Surely if your view was correct you could refute any contrary information put to you? Why do you just post links by people with financial incentives in promoting the high fat cult? You haven't given one shred of reputable information out, you've filled pages with dangerous and false information with zero regard for peoples' health. Any sane person in your position would question the fact that there is no evidence to back up their claims, but not you. In my view spurious health claims such as yours with no evidence and purposeful ignorance of requests for evidence, because it goes against science and common sense and puts peoples' health at risk, warrants a ban. Man up and answer some of the questions about your information.

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 11:49am

generic2012 wrote: »

@Bruno26 why do you just ignore posts that provide evidence against your view? Surely if your view was correct you could refute any contrary information put to you? Why do you just post links by people with financial incentives in promoting the high fat cult? You haven't given one shred of reputable information out, you've filled pages with dangerous and false information with zero regard for peoples' health. Any sane person in your position would question the fact that there is no evidence to back up their claims, but not you. In my view spurious health claims such as yours with no evidence and purposeful ignorance of requests for evidence, because it goes against science and common sense and puts peoples' health at risk, warrants a ban. Man up and answer some of the questions about your information.

Some of your language / hostility/ encouraging a ban doesn't deserve a response.

It's actually not my view you've contradicted- it's a view of one of the worlds leading professors of sports science that I happen to agree with!
Do you know more than a professor of sports science?

This person actually agreed with you until they changed their view and admitted they were wrong. There are vested interests involved in any book or study to do with nutrition regardless of what angle is taken.

Is Mark Sisson also wrong?

You're actually missing the point by taking a short term view. 2 people on the modern western diet - one given fat as fuel the other given carbs as fuel . The carb person will probably perform better. It's takes time (anything from 4/5 days to a few months) to become fat adapted. In the long run fat will be far more effective as fuel for our bodies.

popolive · 21-06-2014 11:49am

boredatwork82 wrote: »

I am trying to lose a bit (a lot!) of weight, down about 3 stone already but I have started to get a bit slack, so I have decided to focus more on my diet than ever before.

The only carbs I am eating is a bowl of porridge.

Anyways this is a sample of what I am doing.

Morning: Wheatgrass, flaxseed mixed with water, bowl of porridge with milk, and mug of green tea

Mid morning about 10 grapes

Lunch: large lunch box of leaves, with some red onion and celery, half a lemon squeezed over it, 1 tin tuna infused with chilli, garlic and lemongrass (did this myself with a drop of coconut oil), and 2 hard boiled eggs.

Mid afternoon: more grapes.

Late dinner: large helping of leaves, some home made guacamole (chillis, avocado, garlic, coriander, diced red onion, lime juice), 2 bbq chicken fillets, 1 bbq sausage.

My breakfast will probably be the same most mornings, but my worry is that I am eating too much of the healthy stuff even if its healthy.

My lunch today is about 1 and a half chicken fillets, with a large lunch box of salad, 2 hard boiled eggs and an avocado too much.

Anyone want to critique or offer opinions on this. I have just had a realization that I am ridiculously uneducated when it comes to nutrition - hence why I have so much weight to lose.

From the above list: Make the porridge with water instead of milk. Milk is high in calories without making you feel full. Additionally: ''According to some, milk causes osteoporosis because it is high in calcium and low in magnesium.'' source: http://www.4.waisays.com/magn-calc.htm

I would eat a grapefruit instead of a few grapes.

Cut out the : ''1 bbq sausage''

And while avocados are amazing you realistically should limit your intake to half an avocado and a tablespoon of fish oil.

Non expert advice*

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 12:05pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Some of your language / hostility/ encouraging a ban doesn't deserve a response.

It's actually not my view you've contradicted- it's a view of one of the worlds leading professors of sports science!

Someone who actually agreed with you until they changed their view and admitted they were wrong. There are vested interests involved in any book or study to do with nutrition regardless of what angle is taken.

You're actually missing the point by tak

Again, total waffle and avoidance. I'm not contradicting anything, I'm relaying fact.

I hope you're not saying Mark Sisson is a profressor? He didn't do undergraduate let alone post graduate so that's an impossibility.

In my younger days, I was on the track toward medical school for a while (BA in Biology from Williams College), but I got detoured by a different track – literally – and a dream of making the US Olympic team for the marathon. As the decades passed, I realized that my calling was as an independent researcher, critical thinker, motivator, and communicator

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/about-2/mark-sisson/#ixzz35H4cLcWQ

He has no scientific credentials whatsoever, the last sentence in that quote is a fancy way of saying he's a con artist.

I'll ask you a question that's often asked to religious fundamentalists. They tend to avoid the question in pretty funny ways but avoidance of it shows that they have made their mind up and will not change it under any circumstances which would mean that there is no reason to trust them.

Brruno26, what would it take for you to change your views?

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 12:15pm

generic2012 wrote: »

Again, total waffle and avoidance. I'm not contradicting anything, I'm relaying fact.

I hope you're not saying Mark Sisson is a profressor? He didn't do undergraduate let alone post graduate so that's an impossibility.

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/about-2/mark-sisson/#ixzz35H4cLcWQ

He has no scientific credentials whatsoever, the last sentence in that quote is a fancy way of saying he's a con artist.

I'll ask you a question that's often asked to religious fundamentalists. They tend to avoid the question in pretty funny ways but avoidance of it shows that they have made their mind up and will not change it under any circumstances which would mean that there is no reason to trust them.

Brruno26, what would it take for you to change your views?

Since when does having a BA in Biology equal no science credentials?

Did you read my post properly? Are you more knowledgeable than Tim Noakes?

The problem is you are convinced you have all the facts. Have you ever thought you might be wrong?

You're also convinced you must be some sort of scientist (Tim Noakes) to be accepted.

My view would change if I went back to my old diet, ate as much as I wanted of bread, rice, pasta, processed food etc. and stayed in the same shape and felt as good as I do now. At the end of the day it is what works for the individual. However I'm convinced the methods I follow will work for anyone. See the buzz created in South Africa by him. He's also not in it for the money as he has set up a not for profit foundation.

Same question to you?

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 12:25pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

My view would change if I went back to my old diet, ate as much as I wanted of bread, rice, pasta, processed food etc. and stayed in the same shape and felt as good as I do now.

Will you ever go back to your old diet?

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 12:29pm

generic2012 wrote: »

Will you ever go back to your old diet?

If sometime I want to get fat again and feel less energetic and rely on Lucozade sport and Jaffa cakes for energy during exercise then yes!

Otherwise no - what idiot would do that?

Answer my question are you more knowledgeable than Tim Noakes and / or Mark Sisson?

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 12:32pm

You say the only thing that would change your views is if you went back to your old diet.

You say you wont go back to your old diet.

You have just said you will never change your views.

You are a self admitted zealot.

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 12:38pm

generic2012 wrote: »

You say the only thing that would change your views is if you went back to your old diet.

You say you wont go back to your old diet.

You have just said you will never change your views.

You are a self admitted zealot.

Ha ye I'm a zealot- you're gas!

However your also such a contradiction and a hypocrite - avoiding 2 questions I've asked!

Mick Murdock · 21-06-2014 12:41pm

I'm one of the weirdos who voted nay to the Jaffa Cakes debate.

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 12:42pm

popolive wrote: »

From the above list: Make the porridge with water instead of milk. Milk is high in calories without making you feel full.

And while avocados are amazing you realistically should limit your intake to half an avocado and a tablespoon of fish oil.

Non expert advice*

I'm sure they will feel fuller with porridge made with milk rather than water.
Why should they only eat half an avocado?

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 12:43pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

However your also such a contradiction and a hypocrite - avoiding 2 questions I've asked!

I've noticed that you can't handle more than one point in any post at a time, sometimes not even that. You haven't directly addressed any of my posts until now, I'm not going to address any of yours from now on, as you a zealot, a lost cause, a waste of time.

popolive · 21-06-2014 12:44pm

I only read the OP . What did this thread mutate into ?

Mick Murdock · 21-06-2014 12:45pm

popolive wrote: »

I only read the OP . What did this thread mutate into ?

Same as every other thread here as far as I can see!

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 12:47pm

generic2012 wrote: »

I've noticed that you can't handle more than one point in any post at a time, sometimes not even that. You haven't directly addressed any of my posts until now, I'm not going to address any of yours from now on, as you a zealot, a lost cause, a waste of time.

To quote jack Nicholson "You can't handle the truth."

Are you more knowledgable than Tim Noakes?

Shakespeare's Sister · 21-06-2014 12:49pm

Limiting carbs definitely benefits me but I couldn't cut them out completely - fibre is obviously good.
I just keep them to a minimum and don't eat any "white" carbs.
To completely cut them out means cutting out fruit and veg, which is obviously inadvisable.

Essien · 21-06-2014 12:53pm

Mick Murdock wrote: »

Same as every other thread here as far as I can see!

In fairness, it's usually grand. I have noticed an influx of nutrition nazis around here in the past couple of months though. I'm sure it hasn't always been as bad.

Mick Murdock · 21-06-2014 1:11pm

I'm enjoying the back and forth tbh! I'm surprised Bruno has so many detractors here (not saying I agree or disagree. I'll leave that to the more knowledgeable folk). I would have expected more people to be on his side of the low carb/high fat debate..

I admire the hell out of anybody who can stick at it. I've never taken heroin but if it's worse than carb withdrawal I certainly wouldn't like to try!

popolive · 21-06-2014 1:11pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

I'm sure they will feel fuller with porridge made with milk rather than water.
Why should they only eat half an avocado?

I took a gamble and assumed the OP was looking for a way to cut back on his calories without causing his nutritional requirements to suffer. Avocados and milk have high calories. The former has high value nutritionally but the latter is not as great as people think. Also there is no nutritional need to eat any more avocado beyond a certain point when your body already took what it needed. Time then to diversify your diet. He should eat something like Kale if he needs calcium and magnesium.

Edit: Just wanted to add that experts don't recommend eating porridge for the milk but because of the properties of oats even though many people assume milk should go into it. If the OP does not feel full with his diet then milk is not the solution. Milk does not make you feel full. Drinking your meals does not make you feel full. Example : eating ten oranges will keep you full for a long time but drinking orange juice from ten oranges and throwing away all the pulp and fibre will leave you hungry in 20 minutes.

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 1:21pm

generic2012 wrote: »

I've noticed that you can't handle more than one point in any post at a time, sometimes not even that. You haven't directly addressed any of my posts until now, I'm not going to address any of yours from now on, as you a zealot, a lost cause, a waste of time.

Can someone reply with valid reasons telling me that Tim Noakes is wrong please?

Clearlier · 21-06-2014 1:27pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Can someone reply telling me that Tim Noakes is wrong please?

Tim Noakes is wrong.

Clearlier · 21-06-2014 1:32pm

Clearlier wrote: »

Tim Noakes is wrong.

To get a bit more specific. Tim Noakes is a bit of a zealot on the issue of diet. He was quite clear in his earlier writings that high carb was the way to go. He has since discovered that high carb wasn't such a good idea and that the best way to manage his bodys response to decades of high carb is to go very low carb. That's great but he has then generalised feom the particular to the universal which is not scientific. He spends a lot of time announcing corroborating evidence and I happen to think that the western world could do with adopting a few of his ideas but for the moment anyway (based on my reading his twitter feed) he has given up nuance and balanced argument in favour of advocacy.

The kalenjin tribe are an example of a society that lives almost exclusively off carbs but hasn't got all of the disease and illness that he ascribes to those who follow a high carb diet

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 1:36pm

Clearlier wrote: »

To get a bit more specific. Tim Noakes is a bit of a zealot on the issue of diet. He was quite clear in his earlier writings that high carb was the way to go. He has since discovered that high carb wasn't such a good idea and that the best way to manage his bodys response to decades of high carb is to go very low carb. That's great but he has then generalised feom the particular to the universal which is not scientific. He spends a lot of time announcing corroborating evidence and I happen to think that the western world could do with adopting a few of his ideas but for the moment anyway (based on my reading his twitter feed) he has given up nuance and balanced argument in favour of advocacy.

So he's right then?

Clearlier · 21-06-2014 1:37pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

So he's right then?

No. I just added an example to my previous post.

mulbot · 21-06-2014 2:14pm

Clearlier wrote: »

To get a bit more specific. Tim Noakes is a bit of a zealot on the issue of diet. He was quite clear in his earlier writings that high carb was the way to go. He has since discovered that high carb wasn't such a good idea and that the best way to manage his bodys response to decades of high carb is to go very low carb. That's great but he has then generalised feom the particular to the universal which is not scientific. He spends a lot of time announcing corroborating evidence and I happen to think that the western world could do with adopting a few of his ideas but for the moment anyway (based on my reading his twitter feed) he has given up nuance and balanced argument in favour of advocacy.

The kalenjin tribe are an example of a society that lives almost exclusively off carbs but hasn't got all of the disease and illness that he ascribes to those who follow a high carb diet

Any idea of the source of their carbs? I would think the carbs aren't of the "western world" type e.g. processed,industry type

metamorphosis · 21-06-2014 2:46pm

Some tribes ferment the food they eat. I cannot speak on the example above but other tribes have and do ferment much of what they eat when its from the earth.

Also, remember 2 points that are in the charter. One is to attack the post, not the poster and two is to provide scientific evidence or links (wiki and google are not relevant). This applies to both sides of the argument. If people are going to be so stubborn (which is the norm in nutritional science since everyones views are the correct ones, right?), then at least provide decent links for others to make their own informed opinions.

I see this thread has again gone down the 'primal' route. We don't eat primally today people. Wake up.The food environment has changed so so much. Also, our ancestors ate grains, ate meant and fish that resembles nothing of today (even Irish grass fed beef and even if you farm your own hens and eat their precious golden eggs). They ate bugs and insects. Primal is now a brand with a line of products from books to vitamins (get some sun and east veg and fruit) to supplements to food items too. Back then it was about SURVIVING, now it is about optimal living and you can do that in a variety of ways nutritionally and taking other lifestyle factors into consideration.

Taking elements of what mark throws out and then build up around it is good. Meat, fish, fruit, veg are good places to start and then personalize around it. maybe a little dairy etc. It is always wise to cut down wheat consumption. There is a large grey area. It is not black and white for 6 bllion people

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 3:05pm

metamorphosis wrote: »

Some tribes ferment the food they eat. I cannot speak on the example above but other tribes have and do ferment much of what they eat when its from the earth.

Also, remember 2 points that are in the charter. One is to attack the post, not the poster and two is to provide scientific evidence or links (wiki and google are not relevant). This applies to both sides of the argument. If people are going to be so stubborn (which is the norm in nutritional science since everyones views are the correct ones, right?), then at least provide decent links for others to make their own informed opinions.

I see this thread has again gone down the 'primal' route. We don't eat primally today people. Wake up.The food environment has changed so so much. Also, our ancestors ate grains, ate meant and fish that resembles nothing of today (even Irish grass fed beef and even if you farm your own hens and eat their precious golden eggs). They ate bugs and insects. Primal is now a brand with a line of products from books to vitamins (get some sun and east veg and fruit) to supplements to food items too. Back then it was about SURVIVING, now it is about optimal living and you can do that in a variety of ways nutritionally and taking other lifestyle factors into consideration.

Taking elements of what mark throws out and then build up around it is good. Meat, fish, fruit, veg are good places to start and then personalize around it. maybe a little dairy etc. It is always wise to cut down wheat consumption. There is a large grey area. It is not black and white for 6 bllion people

Agree with everything apart from the wheat part. What about moving any HFLC and Paleo discussion to the religion forums where they would be most suited?

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 3:24pm

metamorphosis wrote: »

Some tribes ferment the food they eat. I cannot speak on the example above but other tribes have and do ferment much of what they eat when its from the earth.

Also, remember 2 points that are in the charter. One is to attack the post, not the poster and two is to provide scientific evidence or links (wiki and google are not relevant). This applies to both sides of the argument. If people are going to be so stubborn (which is the norm in nutritional science since everyones views are the correct ones, right?), then at least provide decent links for others to make their own informed opinions.

I see this thread has again gone down the 'primal' route. We don't eat primally today people. Wake up.The food environment has changed so so much. Also, our ancestors ate grains, ate meant and fish that resembles nothing of today (even Irish grass fed beef and even if you farm your own hens and eat their precious golden eggs). They ate bugs and insects. Primal is now a brand with a line of products from books to vitamins (get some sun and east veg and fruit) to supplements to food items too. Back then it was about SURVIVING, now it is about optimal living and you can do that in a variety of ways nutritionally and taking other lifestyle factors into consideration.

Taking elements of what mark throws out and then build up around it is good. Meat, fish, fruit, veg are good places to start and then personalize around it. maybe a little dairy etc. It is always wise to cut down wheat consumption. There is a large grey area. It is not black and white for 6 bllion people

generic2012 wrote: »

Agree with everything apart from the wheat part. What about moving any HFLC and Paleo discussion to the religion forums where they would be most suited?

I agree with all of that except I'd move generic2012 to the religious forum!

Alf Veedersane · 21-06-2014 3:25pm

generic2012 wrote: »

What about moving any HFLC and Paleo discussion to the religion forums where they would be most suited?

That's unfair to posters like ford2600 who believe in the benefits of HFLC because it works for them and don't push it as a silver bullet.

Bruno26 · 21-06-2014 4:10pm

Mick Murdock wrote: »

I'm enjoying the back and forth tbh! I'm surprised Bruno has so many detractors here (not saying I agree or disagree. I'll leave that to the more knowledgeable folk). I would have expected more people to be on his side of the low carb/high fat debate..

I admire the hell out of anybody who can stick at it. I've never taken heroin but if it's worse than carb withdrawal I certainly wouldn't like to try!

The carb withdrawal feelings will go after 4-7 days you stick at it. I do eat carbs but I just stay below 100 grams most days.

Many detractors because many people believe in the food pyramid, in counting calories, in what we are told by the authorities etc. They don't like listening to an alternative view that challenges the consensus.

Alf Veedersane · 21-06-2014 4:25pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Many detractors because many people believe in the food pyramid, in counting calories, in what we are told by the authorities etc. They don't like listening to an alternative view that challenges the consensus.

It's the New World Order, innit.

generic2012 · 21-06-2014 4:39pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It's the New World Order, innit.

That pesky illuminati up to their old tricks again. Stick it to the man. Make peace not war. Save the whales et etc

j@utis · 22-06-2014 3:45am

Mick Murdock wrote: »

I'm one of the weirdos who voted nay to the Jaffa Cakes debate.

I voted "No" too because Tea Cakes are much nicer than jaffas.

popolive · 22-06-2014 5:27pm

My head voted NO to jaffas if your goal is to become superfit, low bodyfat and healthy but my heart voted NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

boredatwork82 · 23-06-2014 8:47am

I see this thread kept going when I didn't!

Monday again and time to be super strict, I was a bit naughty over the weekend, but still nowhere near as bad as I Use to be. So I am happy enough.

This morning I substituted my bowl of porridge with a boiled egg. I was eating grapes last week, so I bought some strawberries instead. I think they may be healthier. From googling and stuff berries seem to be the best option for fruit.

On Friday I missed breakfast, and my god it was the worst thing ever, completely through my cravings and control out the window.

So learnings from last week, grapes are bad, breakfast is important, and more people like Jaffa Cakes than don't.

But overall, energy levels through the roof, feel ridiculously good, and definitely feel I will keep this up, or at least really cut down on my carbs intake.

Theresalwaysone · 23-06-2014 8:51am

boredatwork82 wrote: »

I see this thread kept going when I didn't!

Monday again and time to be super strict, I was a bit naughty over the weekend, but still nowhere near as bad as I Use to be. So I am happy enough.

This morning I substituted my bowl of porridge with a boiled egg. I was eating grapes last week, so I bought some strawberries instead. I think they may be healthier. From googling and stuff berries seem to be the best option for fruit.

On Friday I missed breakfast, and my god it was the worst thing ever, completely through my cravings and control out the window.

So learnings from last week, grapes are bad, breakfast is important, and more people like Jaffa Cakes than don't.

But overall, energy levels through the roof, feel ridiculously good, and definitely feel I will keep this up, or at least really cut down on my carbs intake.

Nothing to do with you at all but the bolded part is exactly why people are so convinced that eating low carb is the reason for weight loss and not calorie deficits.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 23-06-2014 9:03am

Bruno26 wrote: »

The carb withdrawal feelings will go after 4-7 days you stick at it. I do eat carbs but I just stay below 100 grams most days.

Many detractors because many people believe in the food pyramid, in counting calories, in what we are told by the authorities etc. They don't like listening to an alternative view that challenges the consensus.

I assume most of the people here are not detractors as I am not, I've been HFLC for 3 years or so now, it's your closed mindedness ans ignorance towards any other food sources thats not pumped up by Sisson or Taubes that's grinding on a lot of people here.

Typer Monkey · 23-06-2014 9:22am

And ridiculous statements like you can eat 6000 calories a day and not gain weight as long as there's no dreaded grains or sugar involved.

I think most people here agree that limiting carbs is a good idea and a lot of people eat HFLC but statements such as the above and his dogmatic approach is what has got people's back up with Bruno

Bruno26 · 23-06-2014 6:44pm

TiltedBrain wrote: »

it's your closed mindedness ans ignorance towards any other food sources.

Please elaborate.
My view that we should eat meat, fish veg, fruit, nuts, dairy, fat and that we shouldn't eat grains or any processed food is close minded and ignorant?

Bruno26 · 23-06-2014 6:46pm

Typer Monkey wrote: »

And ridiculous statements like you can eat 6000 calories a day and not gain weight as long as there's no dreaded grains or sugar involved.

I think most people here agree that limiting carbs is a good idea and a lot of people eat HFLC but statements such as the above and his dogmatic approach is what has got people's back up with Bruno

Did I say 6,000 somewhere? You can certainly eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat.

Clearlier · 23-06-2014 7:01pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Did I say 6,000 somewhere? You can certainly eat 5,000 calories a day and not put on fat.

You can eat 10,000 calories a day and not put on any fat. The point that some posters seem to be making is that your ideas are derived entirely from reading Tim Noakes twitter feed and that you have little awareness of the multitude of alternative arguments.

Avoiding Carbs, is this healthy/good/too much?

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