Avoiding Carbs, is this healthy/good/too much?

boredatwork82

I am trying to lose a bit (a lot!) of weight, down about 3 stone already but I have started to get a bit slack, so I have decided to focus more on my diet than ever before.

The only carbs I am eating is a bowl of porridge.

Anyways this is a sample of what I am doing.

Morning: Wheatgrass, flaxseed mixed with water, bowl of porridge with milk, and mug of green tea

Mid morning about 10 grapes

Lunch: large lunch box of leaves, with some red onion and celery, half a lemon squeezed over it, 1 tin tuna infused with chilli, garlic and lemongrass (did this myself with a drop of coconut oil), and 2 hard boiled eggs.

Mid afternoon: more grapes.

Late dinner: large helping of leaves, some home made guacamole (chillis, avocado, garlic, coriander, diced red onion, lime juice), 2 bbq chicken fillets, 1 bbq sausage.

My breakfast will probably be the same most mornings, but my worry is that I am eating too much of the healthy stuff even if its healthy.

My lunch today is about 1 and a half chicken fillets, with a large lunch box of salad, 2 hard boiled eggs and an avocado too much.

Anyone want to critique or offer opinions on this. I have just had a realization that I am ridiculously uneducated when it comes to nutrition - hence why I have so much weight to lose.

Bruno26

Watch this.

http://youtu.be/Bsx72V4IpJY

Well grapes are carbs too
but yeah looks fine to me
Check your calories as well to make sure they're not way too low or high

generic2012

I think everyone about to embark on a diet, regardless of age, regardless of sex, regardless of height, regardless of race, that wants to succeed on their diet should undertake this one fundamental and perhaps, the most important, step of their weight loss journey....




.....DO NOT LISTEN TO BRUNO26

boredatwork82

Thanks guys, just watched that video, pretty much re-enforces the realization I have come to lately myself. I was always told to eat loads of carbs for training and matchs and all that, and developed awful habits.
Only the people telling me that were probably misinformed too.

Didn't realize grapes were carbs. I will finish off this punnet of grapes because they are delicious and sweet! and then I will try and find other snack options.

Any good sites or resources for checking calories Bluewolf?

boredatwork82

generic2012 wrote: »

I think everyone about to embark on a diet, regardless of age, regardless of sex, regardless of height, regardless of race, that wants to succeed on their diet should undertake this one fundamental and perhaps, the most important, step of their weight loss journey....




.....DO NOT LISTEN TO BRUNO26

Care to develop?

I presume they don't mean go deep fry everything in hydrogenated vegetable oils, but to get good fats in the form of nuts and avocados and the like.

Just to add, the main goal behind my current weight loss was to try and eliminate sugar from my diet, which I did quite successfully, and energy levels went through the roof, and weight dropped.
But need to keep challenging and working on this so I don't fall into a rut like the last 10 years!

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

I think everyone about to embark on a diet, regardless of age, regardless of sex, regardless of height, regardless of race, that wants to succeed on their diet should undertake this one fundamental and perhaps, the most important, step of their weight loss journey....




.....DO NOT LISTEN TO BRUNO26

Ha! Listen to generic2012 instead- another anonymous person on the internet!

boredatwork82

boredatwork82 wrote: »

Thanks guys, just watched that video, pretty much re-enforces the realization I have come to lately myself. I was always told to eat loads of carbs for training and matchs and all that, and developed awful habits.
Only the people telling me that were probably misinformed too.

Didn't realize grapes were carbs. I will finish off this punnet of grapes because they are delicious and sweet! and then I will try and find other snack options.

Any good sites or resources for checking calories Bluewolf?

Well they're not bad! as long as you're not eating several boxes or anything I'm just saying your "my only carbs is porridge" thing wasn't quite true ^^

myfitnesspal is good

Eating carbs for matches sounds okay to me, if you do a lot of cardio you would need some, or at least I found I did anyway
but if you aren't training I think it's easier to cut them down

Bruno26

bluewolf wrote: »

Well they're not bad! as long as you're not eating several boxes or anything I'm just saying your "my only carbs is porridge" thing wasn't quite true ^^

myfitnesspal is good

Eating carbs for matches sounds okay to me, if you do a lot of cardio you would need some, or at least I found I did anyway
but if you aren't training I think it's easier to cut them down

Humans don't need carbs to survive / thrive but can't survive without protein and fat. I heard one of Ireland's most well known personal trainers on Newstalk yesterday advising to eat Jaffa cakes or bread and jam before a match!

Jaffa cakes are pretty tasty in fairness

Bruno26

bluewolf wrote: »

Jaffa cakes are pretty tasty in fairness

I guess this is why!

Glucose-Fructose Syrup, Plain Chocolate (19%) [Sugar, Cocoa Mass, Vegetable Fat, Cocoa Butter, Butter Oil, Emulsifiers (Soya Lecithin, E476), Natural Flavouring], Sugar, Wheat Flour, Whole Egg, Water, Dextrose Monohydrate, Concentrated Orange Juice (8% Orange Juice Equivalent), Glucose Syrup, Vegetable Oil, Humectant (Glycerine), Citric Acid, Gelling Agent (Pectin), Emulsifier (E471), Raising Agents (Ammonium Bicarbonate, Disodium Diphosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Dried Whole Egg, Acidity Regulator (Sodium Citrate), Natural Orange Flavouring, Colour (Curcumin)

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

I guess this is why!

Glucose-Fructose Syrup, Plain Chocolate (19%) [Sugar, Cocoa Mass, Vegetable Fat, Cocoa Butter, Butter Oil, Emulsifiers (Soya Lecithin, E476), Natural Flavouring], Sugar, Wheat Flour, Whole Egg, Water, Dextrose Monohydrate, Concentrated Orange Juice (8% Orange Juice Equivalent), Glucose Syrup, Vegetable Oil, Humectant (Glycerine), Citric Acid, Gelling Agent (Pectin), Emulsifier (E471), Raising Agents (Ammonium Bicarbonate, Disodium Diphosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Dried Whole Egg, Acidity Regulator (Sodium Citrate), Natural Orange Flavouring, Colour (Curcumin)

Sounds about right....mmmmmmm

generic2012

Ingredients of an egg:

AQUA (75.8%), AMINO ACIDS (12.6%) (GLUTAMIC ACID
(14%), ASPARTIC ACID (11%), VALINE (9%), ARGININE (8%), LEUCINE
(8%), LYSINE (7%), SERINE (7%), PHENYLALANINE (6%), ALANINE (5%),
ISOLEUCINE (5%), PROLINE (4%), TYROSINE (3%), THREONINE (3%),
GLYCINE (3%), HISTIDINE (2%), METHIONINE (3%), CYSTINE (2%),
TRYPTOPHAN (1%)); FATTY ACIDS (9.9%) (OCTADECENOIC ACID (45%),
HEXADECANOIC ACID (32%), OCTADECANOIC ACID (12%),
EICOSATETRAENOIC ACID (3%), EICOSANOIC ACID (2%), DOCOSANOIC
ACID (1%), TETRACOSANOIC ACID (1%), OCTANOIC ACID (<1%),
DECANOIC ACID (<1%), DODECANOIC ACID (<1%), TETRADECANOIC
ACID (<1%), PENTADECANOIC ACID (<1%), HEPTADECANOIC ACID (<1%),
TETRADECENOIC ACID (<1%), HEXADECENOIC ACID (<1%),
EICOSENOIC ACID (<1%), DOCOSENOIC ACID (<1%), OMEGA-6 FATTY
ACID: OCTADECADIENOIC ACID (12%), OMEGA-3 FATTY ACID:
OCTADECATRIENOIC ACID (<1%), EICOSAPENTAENOIC ACID (EPA)
(<1%), OMEGA-3 FATTY ACID: DOCOSAHEXAENOIC ACID (DHA) (<1%));
SUGARS (0.8%) (GLUCOSE (30%), SUCROSE (15%), FRUCTOSE (15%),
LACTOSE (15%), MALTOSE (15%), GALACTOSE (15%)); COLOUR (E160c,
E160a), E306, E101; FLAVOURS (PHENYLACETALDEHYDE, DODECA-2-
ENAL, HEPTA-2-ENAL, HEXADECANAL, OCTADECANAL, PENTAN-2-ONE,
BUTAN-2-ONE, ACETALDEHYDE, FORMALDEHYDE, ACETONE); SHELL
(E170), ALSO CONTAINS BENZENE & BENZENE DERIVATIVES, ESTERS,
FURANS, SULFUR-CONTAINING COMPOUNDS AND TERPENES.

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Ingredients of an egg:

AQUA (75.8%), AMINO ACIDS (12.6%) (GLUTAMIC ACID
(14%), ASPARTIC ACID (11%), VALINE (9%), ARGININE (8%), LEUCINE
(8%), LYSINE (7%), SERINE (7%), PHENYLALANINE (6%), ALANINE (5%),
ISOLEUCINE (5%), PROLINE (4%), TYROSINE (3%), THREONINE (3%),
GLYCINE (3%), HISTIDINE (2%), METHIONINE (3%), CYSTINE (2%),
TRYPTOPHAN (1%)); FATTY ACIDS (9.9%) (OCTADECENOIC ACID (45%),
HEXADECANOIC ACID (32%), OCTADECANOIC ACID (12%),
EICOSATETRAENOIC ACID (3%), EICOSANOIC ACID (2%), DOCOSANOIC
ACID (1%), TETRACOSANOIC ACID (1%), OCTANOIC ACID (<1%),
DECANOIC ACID (<1%), DODECANOIC ACID (<1%), TETRADECANOIC
ACID (<1%), PENTADECANOIC ACID (<1%), HEPTADECANOIC ACID (<1%),
TETRADECENOIC ACID (<1%), HEXADECENOIC ACID (<1%),
EICOSENOIC ACID (<1%), DOCOSENOIC ACID (<1%), OMEGA-6 FATTY
ACID: OCTADECADIENOIC ACID (12%), OMEGA-3 FATTY ACID:
OCTADECATRIENOIC ACID (<1%), EICOSAPENTAENOIC ACID (EPA)
(<1%), OMEGA-3 FATTY ACID: DOCOSAHEXAENOIC ACID (DHA) (<1%));
SUGARS (0.8%) (GLUCOSE (30%), SUCROSE (15%), FRUCTOSE (15%),
LACTOSE (15%), MALTOSE (15%), GALACTOSE (15%)); COLOUR (E160c,
E160a), E306, E101; FLAVOURS (PHENYLACETALDEHYDE, DODECA-2-
ENAL, HEPTA-2-ENAL, HEXADECANAL, OCTADECANAL, PENTAN-2-ONE,
BUTAN-2-ONE, ACETALDEHYDE, FORMALDEHYDE, ACETONE); SHELL
(E170), ALSO CONTAINS BENZENE & BENZENE DERIVATIVES, ESTERS,
FURANS, SULFUR-CONTAINING COMPOUNDS AND TERPENES.

Do Jaffa cakes pop out of a hens ass?!

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Do Jaffa cakes pop out of a hens ass?!

No. And carbs don't make you fat. Everything cleared up?

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

No. And carbs don't make you fat. Everything cleared up?

Ha - You just compared eggs to Jaffa cakes.

They do.

Please explain why almost anyone in here who offers an opinion to someone trying to lose weight/fat recommends a reduction in carbohydrates?

Essien

Jaysus I'd fecking love a Jaffa cake!

generic2012

Because it's a means to reduce calories, calories make you fat. You seem a bit out of touch. The nut jobs you are linking in blog posts and youtube videos say to replace carbs with fat while people here have the common sense to say lower carbs and leave it add that.

Random boards member: take out fizzy drinks.
Taubes, Sisson, Wolfe, tin foil hat brigade: take out fizzy drinks....and replace with stick of butter.

generic2012

Essien wrote: »

Jaysus I'd fecking love a Jaffa cake!

Have you a death wish!?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

generic2012 wrote: »

Have you a death wish!?

This is true, I once ate a packet of jaffa cakes in one sitting and I am now dead.

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Because it's a means to reduce calories, calories make you fat. You seem a bit out of touch. The nut jobs you are linking in blog posts and youtube videos say to replace carbs with fat while people here have the common sense to say lower carbs and leave it add that.

Random boards member: take out fizzy drinks.
Taubes, Sisson, Wolfe, tin foil hat brigade: take out fizzy drinks....and replace with stick of butter.

Bad calories make you fat. I refer you once again to Ancel Keys! Saturated / healthy fats are good for us. If people ate more fat they wouldn't crave the bad calories/ carbs that make you fat.

Alf Veedersane

The OP was eating too much.

"Eat loads of carbs on match days and training" gets trotted out with no advice on how much and people think they just need to fill their boots with carbs.

Therein lies the problem.

boredatwork82

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The OP was eating too much.

"Eat loads of carbs on match days and training" gets trotted out with no advice on how much and people think they just need to fill their boots with carbs.

Therein lies the problem.

Hit the nail on the head. That was it, have a few wine gums etc.
Load up on carbs the days before a game, and all that.

I really lowered that over the last year, but was still eating a bit, one of my favourite pre training carb meals was peanut butter and jam sandwich mmmm.


now, I just go training and eat after it.

ford2600

boredatwork82 wrote: »

Hit the nail on the head. That was it, have a few wine gums etc.
Load up on carbs the days before a game, and all that.

I really lowered that over the last year, but was still eating a bit, one of my favourite pre training carb meals was peanut butter and jam sandwich mmmm.


now, I just go training and eat after it.

OP just a few comments
* You've lost 3 stone, well done; you obviously have corrected something and know what you are doing.
* Nobody knows your body better than you. If you learned something that works, by accident or by taking on advice, stick to it.
* You eat a lot of whole foods and obviously cook; your a lot of the way there
* What works for you may not work for someone else and vice versa

I think you post in cycling forum and I will be starting a thread there soon on cycling and food. Over the years I've gotten more and more interested at your typical cyclist/sportive rider and their struggles with weight. My thread will generate more questions than answers but it may interest you

10 months into a 12 month experiment on eating high fat low carb to power ultra long distance cycling and will at end detail MY experiences. I should add I've never been overweight and don't run that badly on high carb.

However most guys I know that cycle, other than the skinny mountain goat types, struggle somewhat with weight and are convinced that high carb is the only way to power cycling. I know guys who do race the ras and despite cycling 400km plus a week struggle with weight.

runawaybishop

Bruno26 wrote: »

Bad calories make you fat. I refer you once again to Ancel Keys! Saturated / healthy fats are good for us. If people ate more fat they wouldn't crave the bad calories/ carbs that make you fat.

Please stop posting in here.

Jimmyie

bahahha looks like there's a lot of tension between posters here.

Jimmyie

Jimmyie wrote: »

bahahha looks like there's a lot of tension between posters here.

It's the lack of jaffa cakes

Bruno26

runawaybishop wrote: »

Please stop posting in here.

Why? Have you a vested interest in this area?

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Because it's a means to reduce calories, calories make you fat. You seem a bit out of touch. The nut jobs you are linking in blog posts and youtube videos say to replace carbs with fat while people here have the common sense to say lower carbs and leave it add that.

Random boards member: take out fizzy drinks.
Taubes, Sisson, Wolfe, tin foil hat brigade: take out fizzy drinks....and replace with stick of butter.

Butter -You obviously haven't read Sisson and Wolf either.

TimeToShine

Jaffa cakes are my biggest weakness.

If they are in the house, they are getting eaten full stop. I'd get through 1 or 36 and barely break a sweat.

Truly the devils creation.

ford2600

TimeToShine wrote: »

Jaffa cakes are my biggest weakness.

If they are in the house, they are getting eaten full stop. I'd get through 1 or 36 and barely break a sweat.

Truly the devils creation.

There was a time when I was probably worse, jaffa cakes and milkados.

Don't know why, and haven't heard anyone else report it, but upping fat made it very easy for me to cut out such stuff. Lots of lads really struggle to cut sugar.

Have seen the opposite to, when people are advised to reduce fat, sweet tooth often gets worse.

Bruno26

ford2600 wrote: »

There was a time when I was probably worse, jaffa cakes and milkados.

Don't know why, and haven't heard anyone else report it, but upping fat made it very easy for me to cut out such stuff. Lots of lads really struggle to cut sugar.

Have seen the opposite to, when people are advised to reduce fat, sweet tooth often gets worse.

Exactly. Google appestat.

Alf Veedersane

Bruno26 wrote: »

Why? Have you a vested interest in this area?

Bruno, the problem is you're a neophyte. You've found something that works for you and good luck to you.

But you're jumping from thread to thread peddling it as gospel without referencing an ounce of academic research to back it up.

Referencing bukes or youtube doesn't count.


Keep it simple.....stick with advising on unprocessed food and the wheat and grain craic.

If you want, suggest what works for you. But the valid part of what you say is being lost in your zeal to reference youtube and bukes.

Bruno26

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Bruno, the problem is you're a neophyte. You've found something that works for you and good luck to you.

But you're jumping from thread to thread peddling it as gospel without referencing an ounce of academic research to back it up.

Referencing bukes or youtube doesn't count.


Keep it simple.....stick with advising on unprocessed food and the wheat and grain craic.

If you want, suggest what works for you. But the valid part of what you say is being lost in your zeal to reference youtube and bukes.

Why respond to a question directed at someone else? I'm sure they can speak for themselves.

I'm not advising anyone-just giving an opinion. You'd want to be deluded to take advise from here.

I'm a neophyte as opposed to you who first posted in this forum 10 months ago! Just because I've only recently posted does not mean I'm new to this.

Alf Veedersane

Bruno26 wrote: »

I'm a neophyte as opposed to you who first posted in this forum 10 months ago! Just because I've only recently posted does not mean I'm new to this.

I wasn't referring to your time on boards.

You're not giving an opinion. You're ramming it down throats.

It's not my intention to have a go. It doesn't offend me. I just think there are better ways of saying what you have to say.

I've given my opinion to the OP so there's not much point in conducting a debate that's spread across a load of threads now.

boredatwork82

ford2600 wrote: »

OP just a few comments
* You've lost 3 stone, well done; you obviously have corrected something and know what you are doing.
* Nobody knows your body better than you. If you learned something that works, by accident or by taking on advice, stick to it.
* You eat a lot of whole foods and obviously cook; your a lot of the way there
* What works for you may not work for someone else and vice versa

I think you post in cycling forum and I will be starting a thread there soon on cycling and food. Over the years I've gotten more and more interested at your typical cyclist/sportive rider and their struggles with weight. My thread will generate more questions than answers but it may interest you

10 months into a 12 month experiment on eating high fat low carb to power ultra long distance cycling and will at end detail MY experiences. I should add I've never been overweight and don't run that badly on high carb.

However most guys I know that cycle, other than the skinny mountain goat types, struggle somewhat with weight and are convinced that high carb is the only way to power cycling. I know guys who do race the ras and despite cycling 400km plus a week struggle with weight.

Definitely will keep an eye on that. It was doing long cycles that threw my diet off track. I just started cycling to get fit, and set myself a goal of the ring of Kerry, - 2 more weekends then the big day! Once that is out of the way I will probably move onto crossfit (need to get functionally fit - years of functioning over weight has left my legs out of balance and not so functional, and prone to little niggly injuries) and rugby pre season


And folks, thanks a million for all the comments and discussion, regardless of the difference in opinion, it all aids nutrition education in some form.

Oryx

Don't do this again, guys. Just don't.

Jimmyie

You need carbs,fat,protein,water to stay alive.

TimeToShine

Jimmyie wrote: »

You need carbs,fat,protein,water to stay alive.

Wise words.

boredatwork82

Jimmyie wrote: »

You need carbs,fat,protein,water to stay alive.

In fairness Jimmyie, we have kind of already established that, but we have moved on to discussing the quantities involved.

Please feel free to critique my initial post and let me know if in your opinion the quantities of carbs, fat, & protein are correct, or would you recommend any changes or tweaks to it?

I drink loads of water so I am happy enough in that department.

generic2012

boredatwork82 wrote: »

In fairness Jimmyie, we have kind of already established that, but we have moved on to discussing the quantities involved.

Please feel free to critique my initial post and let me know if in your opinion the quantities of carbs, fat, & protein are correct, or would you recommend any changes or tweaks to it?

I drink loads of water so I am happy enough in that department.

Input your diet into a calorie counter, find the macro breakdown ie ratio of carbs/fats/protein in grams. Post your weight, your basal metabolic rate (look that up too), any excercise you do (not detailed just resistance or cardio, how many times a week), along with your macro breakdown. Then you'll get useful comments. You could be a 150kg powerlifter or a 50kg high fat lunatic. Without any specificity any advice will be totally arbitrary and useless.

boredatwork82

So my BASAL Metabolic rate is 2539.4 as per some bmi calculator site.
It says then to multiple that by 1.55 (moderately active weight).

That gives me a recommended Calorie intake of 3936.07.
That looks really high.

As regards exercise I would do an hour- 2 hours of cardio say 4-5 times a week.

I don't do any resistance work yet as I am focusing on the cycle for July 5th. After that I will be changing my exercise regime.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/


According to another site the macro breakdown of a such a diet based on the above calorie reading is:

Carbs 246
Protein 443
Fats 131

Let me know if this is what you mean or not?

generic2012

boredatwork82 wrote: »

So my BASAL Metabolic rate is 2539.4 as per some bmi calculator site.
It says then to multiple that by 1.55 (moderately active weight).

That gives me a recommended Calorie intake of 3936.07.
That looks really high.

As regards exercise I would do an hour- 2 hours of cardio say 4-5 times a week.

I don't do any resistance work yet as I am focusing on the cycle for July 5th. After that I will be changing my exercise regime.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/


According to another site the macro breakdown of a such a diet based on the above calorie reading is:

Carbs 246
Protein 443
Fats 131

Let me know if this is what you mean or not?

I meant the macro breakdown of your current diet, the foods you listed in your first post. Work out their macronutrient composition using myfitnesspal or nutritiondata.self.com . Include your weight and height also

Bruno26

Jimmyie wrote: »

You need carbs,fat,protein,water to stay alive.

Carbohydrates are not essential for survival. Fat is the body's preferred fuel.

Due to our genetic make-up the majority of us are insulin resistant to some extent.

When carbs are eaten our blood glucose levels rise. Insulin is secreted by the pancreas in response to glucose entering the bloodstream from the gut. The insulin causes the glucose which is not used immediately for energy to be stored by the liver and muscles as glycogen. Once the glycogen reserves are filled the excess is stored as fat.

If the carbs cannot be burned off it gets converted by the liver into fat and sent to our fat tissues for storage. We're just getting fatter and hungrier.

Insulin the body's defence mechanism against carbs, both transforms carbs/glucose into fat and then stores it by preventing it from being used. The result is you get fat.


Carbohydrates are nutrient deficient and often packed with salt and sugar, you feel the need to eat more of them therefore it's very difficult to keep the weight off.

Of the three macronutrients in our diet only carbohydrate is non-essential for life. We cannot function properly for more than a few days without eating fat. Without protein we develop protein calorie malnutrition within a few months. Avoiding carbs has no short or long term effect on humans except weight loss.

Carbohydrate serves only two functions in humans. It must either be burned as an energy fuel or is stored as fat. It cannot be used to build any of the body's structures. Persons with insulin resistance have a reduced capacity to burn carbs as a fuel both during exercise and when at rest, or to store it as glycogen.

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Carbohydrates are not essential for survival. Fat is the body's preferred fuel.

Carbs mightn't be essential for survival but glucose is. The body gets its glucose easiest from carbs, if you're on a low carb diet as a survival mechanism the body can use fat or break down muscle and convert it to glucose through gluconeogenesis but it seems like highly stupid thing to do on purpose to me, why use expensive protein for energy when you can use carbs? Carbs are preferred for muscle contraction.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Due to our genetic make-up the majority of us are insulin resistant to some extent.

Due to LIFESTYLE choices some of us MAY be SOMEWHAT insulin resistant. Insulin isn't an on off thing, it's a massive spectrum. If you're going to make claims like that, which could cause a health scare and/or unwarranted worry to people who may read your tripe and be brainwashed like you, you're going to have to give evidence. I know you can't provide evidence on your conspiracy theories because the government, big pharma and big agriculture burned all the evidence but if you have any decency at all you'll provide evidence for your scare tactics or say nothing.

Bruno26 wrote: »

When carbs are eaten our blood glucose levels rise. Insulin is secreted by the pancreas in response to glucose entering the bloodstream from the gut. The insulin causes the glucose which is not used immediately for energy to be stored by the liver and muscles as glycogen. Once the glycogen reserves are filled the excess is stored as fat.

If the carbs cannot be burned off it gets converted by the liver into fat and sent to our fat tissues for storage. We're just getting fatter and hungrier.

That was all true and then you just stuck on 'We're getting fatter and hungrier' total non-sequitur, WTF was that, it doesn't make any sense at all?
What is wrong with you described? It's how the body functions. The normal and sane approach first, followed by yours:

You exercise, you use glycogen, you eat carbs, carbs are easily converted to glucose and go into your muscles, your muscles recover, you are able to exercise at the same intensity within hours, if there are excess carbs they will be stored as fat.

You exercise, you use glycogen, you eat fat, it is stored as fat and then, along with protein, is converted to glucose through a ridiculous amount of steps, glucose will eventually get into muscles, you won't be able to exercise with the same intensity that day, if there is excess it will go back to fat, and you will look like an idiot.

(Gross simplification of both processes)

So you use fats for energy instead of carbs, fat has to be stored as fat and then turned to glucose, rather than used immediately like carbs, it's less effective for performance (at high levels of heart rate/intense activities at least), takes longer to recover from that exercise and the excess is stored as fat any, and you look like an idiot.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Insulin the body's defence mechanism against carbs, both transforms carbs/glucose into fat and then stores it by preventing it from being used. The result is you get fat.

Insulin isn't a defence mechanism.

generic2012 wrote: »

Insulin also; causes ribosomes to manufacture protein which is what builds muscle; prevents protein breakdown; transports the branched chained amino acids in muscle cells; and allows for the transportation of glycogen into muscle cells. Glycogen isn't stored in adipose tissue apart from minuscule, negligible amounts. It's easy to to think of something as 'good' or 'bad' but it isn't always wise.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Carbohydrates are nutrient deficient and often packed with salt and sugar, you feel the need to eat more of them therefore it's very difficult to keep the weight off.

Spinach, kale, berries, fruit etc are nutrient deficient? Saying carbohydrates are 'often packed with ... sugar' is the same as saying that water is often packed with H2O, which is a very very stupid statement.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Of the three macronutrients in our diet only carbohydrate is non-essential for life. We cannot function properly for more than a few days without eating fat. Without protein we develop protein calorie malnutrition within a few months. Avoiding carbs has no short or long term effect on humans except weight loss.

Fat and Protein are converted to do the same job as carbs so that's a total moot point and saying that avoiding carbs only leads to weight loss is a lie. It will also lead to a decrease in performance at intense activities and weird breath. Carbohydrates are preferred fuel for muscle contraction. It's estimated that the body can store 2,000 calories worth of carbohydrates before it's turned to fat, that's a lot of ANY food. Even half a kg of pure table sugar wouldn't get you that.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Carbohydrate serves only two functions in humans. It must either be burned as an energy fuel or is stored as fat. It cannot be used to build any of the body's structures. Persons with insulin resistance have a reduced capacity to burn carbs as a fuel both during exercise and when at rest, or to store it as glycogen.

Carbohydrate as energy source stops protein (muscle) being used as an energy source, it is a better energy source for exercise full stop. Brain fog ensues during/after exercise without adequate carbs. More benefits you forgot to include to giving up carbs are halitosis, muscle cramps and diarrhoea.

Fat is stored as body fat and then, if necessary, used as energy where as carbs are used as energy and in the very unlikely event of going over the 2,000 calorie body reserves stored as fat.

One of, if not the, best ways to lower insulin sensitivity is intense exercise, low carb diets hinder so don't use it as an argument.

TimeToShine

Bruno out of interest can you post up what you'd eat in a day?

It sounds like you wouldn't touch carbs with a barge pole so it should be interesting. Do you drink or eat junk food at all?

Tarzana

generic2012 wrote: »

Ingredients of an egg:

AQUA (75.8%), AMINO ACIDS (12.6%) (GLUTAMIC ACID
(14%), ASPARTIC ACID (11%), VALINE (9%), ARGININE (8%), LEUCINE
(8%), LYSINE (7%), SERINE (7%), PHENYLALANINE (6%), ALANINE (5%),
ISOLEUCINE (5%), PROLINE (4%), TYROSINE (3%), THREONINE (3%),
GLYCINE (3%), HISTIDINE (2%), METHIONINE (3%), CYSTINE (2%),
TRYPTOPHAN (1%)); FATTY ACIDS (9.9%) (OCTADECENOIC ACID (45%),
HEXADECANOIC ACID (32%), OCTADECANOIC ACID (12%),
EICOSATETRAENOIC ACID (3%), EICOSANOIC ACID (2%), DOCOSANOIC
ACID (1%), TETRACOSANOIC ACID (1%), OCTANOIC ACID (<1%),
DECANOIC ACID (<1%), DODECANOIC ACID (<1%), TETRADECANOIC
ACID (<1%), PENTADECANOIC ACID (<1%), HEPTADECANOIC ACID (<1%),
TETRADECENOIC ACID (<1%), HEXADECENOIC ACID (<1%),
EICOSENOIC ACID (<1%), DOCOSENOIC ACID (<1%), OMEGA-6 FATTY
ACID: OCTADECADIENOIC ACID (12%), OMEGA-3 FATTY ACID:
OCTADECATRIENOIC ACID (<1%), EICOSAPENTAENOIC ACID (EPA)
(<1%), OMEGA-3 FATTY ACID: DOCOSAHEXAENOIC ACID (DHA) (<1%));
SUGARS (0.8%) (GLUCOSE (30%), SUCROSE (15%), FRUCTOSE (15%),
LACTOSE (15%), MALTOSE (15%), GALACTOSE (15%)); COLOUR (E160c,
E160a), E306, E101; FLAVOURS (PHENYLACETALDEHYDE, DODECA-2-
ENAL, HEPTA-2-ENAL, HEXADECANAL, OCTADECANAL, PENTAN-2-ONE,
BUTAN-2-ONE, ACETALDEHYDE, FORMALDEHYDE, ACETONE); SHELL
(E170), ALSO CONTAINS BENZENE & BENZENE DERIVATIVES, ESTERS,
FURANS, SULFUR-CONTAINING COMPOUNDS AND TERPENES.

OM NOM NOM NOM.

I've eaten four eggs already today! :cool:

SteelyDanJalapeno

TimeToShine wrote: »

Bruno out of interest can you post up what you'd eat in a day?

It sounds like you wouldn't touch carbs with a barge pole so it should be interesting. Do you drink or eat junk food at all?

I've a suspicion he's eating some carbs, would be interested in seeing this too

Typer Monkey

Also it'd be interesting to know Bruno's stats..height, weight and bodyfat. Do you train Bruno? If so, what do you do. I get the distinct impression though that all his 'information' is gleaned from trawling the internet.

Are you at the peak of physical perfection due to your slavish devotion to your 'wonder diet'??

Essien

Typer Monkey wrote: »

Are you at the peak of physical perfection due to your slavish devotion to your 'wonder diet'??

It's not a diet apparently. Everyone except Bruno is on a diet.

Bruno26

Typer Monkey wrote: »

Also it'd be interesting to know Bruno's stats..height, weight and bodyfat. Do you train Bruno? If so, what do you do. I get the distinct impression though that all his 'information' is gleaned from trawling the internet.

Are you at the peak of physical perfection due to your slavish devotion to your 'wonder diet'??

Certainly not- nothing wonder about it- simply the way I believe that humans were / are meant to eat. very little training unfortunately. Some golf!

Height 183 cm - just over 6 ft

Weight 76 kg (2 years ago about 88kg)

Body fat 14% (done couple of years ago was over 21%)

BMR 7841 kj
1874. kcal
Visceral Fat rating = 3
BMI = 22.5