Foal beaten to death, then set alight by gang of kids in Galway

old hippy · 20-06-2014 05:13PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well no need to include me in it, I didn't call for vigilante justice, but i do want the Gardai to investigate this and haul the scrotes before the courts.

I was hilighting the development of the thread. From the cries of cruelty, to calls for cruelty and the finger pointing at a certain section of society.

I agree,t hough, it does need existing & the culprits must answer for the crime.

20-06-2014 05:35PM

old hippy wrote: »

I was hilighting the development of the thread. From the cries of cruelty, to calls for cruelty and the finger pointing at a certain section of society.

I agree,t hough, it does need existing & the culprits must answer for the crime.

To be fair, travelers are one section of society who have a horrible track record in regards cruelty to animals and as such it's perfectly reasonable to raise the issue. Part of their culture involves forcing malnourished horses to race up and down public roads. And it's common to see them beaten and their dead carcass left at the side of roads.

end of the road · 20-06-2014 08:54PM

galwayredgirl wrote: »

Gosh! It's a wonder you made it out alive at all.....

no, there won't, don't read the gutter trash rags, they poison your mind

end of the road · 20-06-2014 09:06PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Travellers bend the rules to suit themselves

so do many others, however it seems to be exceptable for others to bend the rules but if a traveler bends the same rules the outrage is unreal from the other rule benders who become so self righteous. all of a sudden

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

they treat animals very badly.

yes some do sadly, not the only ones though

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I see where you are going with this, as usual you think we are all big bad racists.

really? i didn't hear the poster mention "racists" grow up and stop coming out with daily male/indo rabel rabel nonsense

mosi · 20-06-2014 09:50PM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I personally don't think horses have any business in an urban setting, that's just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong but I don't think these urban horse projects do any good.

Yeah I did a bit of reading about them and it seems that some are run quite well while others are just chancers wanting to keep the status quo.
A couple of the bigger ones aren't actually involved with local horses. The centres have their own horses and people get subsidised lessons, BHS training etc. Then there are some which have, often makeshift stables, for the horses and are big on encouraging urban horse ownership to continue. Overall, their contribution to welfare seems to be limited.
The horse welfare groups are supportive of these projects...I guess they think that's the best they can do as things stand. However, I would be in agreement that horses simply don't belong in urban areas and that this so called "urban horse culture" needs to be eradicated. The same goes for the mythical traveller "horse culture". After all, we all used horses for transport and work before mechanisation, so nobody is special in that regard.

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Which laws are you referring to? The animal cruelty laws from before the foundation of the state? There is no proper law in force. There is one drawn up that is awaiting enactment.

The Animal Health and Welfare act has been enacted, while the Control of Horses Act can also deal with the issues at hand. There are numerous local bye-laws in effect that prohibit the ownership of horses in urban areas unless they are passported, have adequate stabling and grazing etc.
So, there are laws that can go someway to dealing with the situation, they just need to be enforced.

UCDVet · 20-06-2014 10:52PM

old hippy wrote: »

And I see where this thread is going. As usual a section of society is being demonised. People are calling for brutal retribution and the very same weep crocodile tears over the horse.

Treating animals badly is of course, to be frowned on. But evidently, treating human beings like animals is to be applauded.

Your looking awfully hard for hypocrisy, but there isn't necessarily any.

I like animals. But if your pet dog snaps and mauls a small child, we have to put the dog down. It's not even about right or wrong, I'm not blaming the dog, it's just, the world is a better place without that dog. Maybe, with more training, maybe with more supervision, maybe it would never happen again. Maybe. But the cost vs. reward just isn't there. You put the dog down.

I'd support 'putting down' people who have committed violent crimes for the same reason. Without hatred or brutality, but because the world would be better off without them. For every individual who beats a baby horse to death that goes on to be a nice guy, there are countless more who spend a lifetime beating more things, people included, committing crimes, perpetuating their attitudes/beliefs (that beating things to death is okay) to their children. It's a losing proposition.

So yeah, I love animals and I love people. I support putting them down in all the same situations for all the same reasons. Without hatred or malice, but because it's the best we can do. Some day, when we wake up and the world is otherwise perfect, when everyone is fed and has a house and we've cured cancer and there are no wars, and we're jsut like 'WoW, life is great' then, sure, let's do what we can. But in our current world, the amount of time and resources you'd spend on trying to 'fix' someone who would brutally murder an animal, can be better spent on people who aren't that screwed up, who need the resources just as much.

And it's not about race. Or religion. I don't need to know anything about who did the crime, just the crime and the circumstances around it. It should all be the same. You don't need to make it about an irrational hatred of a group, it can just be a rational hatred of a crime.

catallus · 20-06-2014 10:57PM

Indeed. The whole source of the desire for retribution against people is the recognition of the mens rea which is obviously present in these malevolent little "people", which necessarily and by definition wouldn't exist in an animal.

RandomName2 · 20-06-2014 11:05PM

--LOS-- wrote: »

Both are unnecessary so same thing.

What's the difference between a pig that is tortured to death slowly and left to rot in a field, and one that is slaughtered humanely for food?

None, because both are unnecessary.

What...
what...
what...

It's that kind of lack of relativity that allows the kind of barbarity mentioned in the OP.

"Sure I eat bacon so I can torture and beat a foal to death. What's the difference? Lol."

*annoyance intensifies*

Heatmachine1 · 20-06-2014 11:10PM

I cannot believe I share a country/planet with these creatures.
How saddening,I am ashamed that this is still going on in Ireland and no one with influence gives a fcuk.

RandomName2 · 20-06-2014 11:17PM

old hippy wrote: »

And I see where this thread is going. As usual a section of society is being demonised. People are calling for brutal retribution and the very same weep crocodile tears over the horse.

Treating animals badly is of course, to be frowned on. But evidently, treating human beings like animals is to be applauded.

No hand of god picked up children and placed down monsters in their stead. The people who did this are obviously habituated to violence. In many ways, it is not their fault. Even if we can say that their values have been instilled in them by their section of society, this section of society may too have been subject to such hand-me-downs.

So what?

The fact that the pursuit of a moralistic provenance is a pointless path doesn't mean we cannot say that some things are wrong.

Demonising? Only if it is some sort of disproportionate, knee-jerk reaction. But to ignore possible correlations could not but be a dishonest assessment.

catallus · 20-06-2014 11:18PM

Does anyone have any more info on this? Its still not making complete sense to me:

"The body of the young animal was moved from the scene before members of the GSPCA could retrieve it. Ms O’Sullivan believes it may have been dumped in the nearby Merlin Woods and has appealed to walkers to alert the if they come across it.

“The woods are adjacent to the field where the foal was killed and we believe it could have been dumped there. We would appeal to anybody who discovers it while out walking to notify us."

and:

"The foal’s mother was also injured in the attack and was beaten with sticks. However, the horse has since been moved from the field and GSPCA inspectors do not know it’s location or what condition it is now in." - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/baby-foal-beaten-to-death-and-set-alight-by-teenage-gang-30367855.html#sthash.U5WvLO8Z.dpuf

Has anything changed on this?

Da Shins Kelly · 20-06-2014 11:19PM

Yet another piece of evidence to show that animal cruelty is not taken even nearly seriously enough in this country. Takes a special kind of sick individual to deliberately inflict extreme suffering in animal for kicks. And as per usual, they'll walk away without so much as a slap on the wrist.

Awkward Badger · 20-06-2014 11:27PM

catallus wrote: »

Does anyone have any more info on this? Its still not making complete sense to me:

"The body of the young animal was moved from the scene before members of the GSPCA could retrieve it. Ms O’Sullivan believes it may have been dumped in the nearby Merlin Woods and has appealed to walkers to alert the if they come across it.

“The woods are adjacent to the field where the foal was killed and we believe it could have been dumped there. We would appeal to anybody who discovers it while out walking to notify us."

and:

"The foal’s mother was also injured in the attack and was beaten with sticks. However, the horse has since been moved from the field and GSPCA inspectors do not know it’s location or what condition it is now in." - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/baby-foal-beaten-to-death-and-set-alight-by-teenage-gang-30367855.html#sthash.U5WvLO8Z.dpuf

Has anything changed on this?

Doesn't look to be anything new or enlightening. Just what the GSPCA were told by someone who witnessed it and that one photo of the remains which later disappeared. Not much to go on really.

galwaygirl08 · 21-06-2014 12:42AM

We are all so fed up with the cruelty inflicted on these poor defenseless horses in our area. It is so upsetting for us decent people who are living here for years, literally feeling like whatever you report- it is just falling on deaf ears. You see it almost every day. Horses tied up in small fields in the middle of our housing estates. Running out on our Roads in front of oncoming traffic. These poor horses are often scared, god knows how long they are tied up for and once they get a chance to run free they are gone. Walking your dogs only to be greeted by the filth left behind by these people and their horses- this is another issue again. The council won't listen. The Gardai won't either. As a huge animal lover, I am genuinely so upset and so angry, especially in light of this recent case of cruelty.

Names are starting to circulate as to who carried out this horrific attack on the poor defenseless foal. It was only a matter of time. Oh how I would love if these guys were named and shamed.
The problem now is whether or not the Gardai will step up to the mark and prosecute. You know what, I highly doubt it. I will not rest until these issues are resolved. God help my sanity in the mean time!

Galwayguy35 · 21-06-2014 01:26AM

end of the road wrote: »

so do many others, however it seems to be exceptable for others to bend the rules but if a traveler bends the same rules the outrage is unreal from the other rule benders who become so self righteous. all of a sudden

yes some do sadly, not the only ones though

really? i didn't hear the poster mention "racists" grow up and stop coming out with daily male/indo rabel rabel nonsense

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about Travellers and pull this thread off topic.

end of the road · 21-06-2014 01:34AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about Travellers and pull this thread off topic.

you shouldn't have brought up travelers then

Galwayguy35 · 21-06-2014 01:39AM

end of the road wrote: »

you shouldn't have brought up travelers then

I brought it up because it was relevant to the discussion.

meoklmrk91 · 21-06-2014 03:42AM

galwaygirl08 wrote: »

We are all so fed up with the cruelty inflicted on these poor defenseless horses in our area. It is so upsetting for us decent people who are living here for years, literally feeling like whatever you report- it is just falling on deaf ears. You see it almost every day. Horses tied up in small fields in the middle of our housing estates. Running out on our Roads in front of oncoming traffic. These poor horses are often scared, god knows how long they are tied up for and once they get a chance to run free they are gone. Walking your dogs only to be greeted by the filth left behind by these people and their horses- this is another issue again. The council won't listen. The Gardai won't either. As a huge animal lover, I am genuinely so upset and so angry, especially in light of this recent case of cruelty.

Names are starting to circulate as to who carried out this horrific attack on the poor defenseless foal. It was only a matter of time. Oh how I would love if these guys were named and shamed.
The problem now is whether or not the Gardai will step up to the mark and prosecute. You know what, I highly doubt it. I will not rest until these issues are resolved. God help my sanity in the mean time!

Hi Galwaygirl

Have to say its really nice to hear from somebody living in the area, it must be really hard to have to look at this crap on a daily basis and have nothing done about it no matter what you do.

Something similar happened in Limerick not too long ago, same in Wexford. The stories died down not long after and nothing has changed. The only way I can see anything happening is if someone organises some sort of protest or similar to try and get the council and gardai to enforce the laws that are already there to stop this from happening again. It would also put pressure on the gardai to investigate the crime and hopefully charge someone as well as keeping the story in the press. I wish you the best of luck, nothing like feeling powerless to help when you are an animal lover.

Lou.m · 21-06-2014 05:26AM

I don't eat meat or use leather.

I volunteer with animals.

Please don't make comparisons with leather or meat consumption with this though. It is ridiculous.

People must be moved to DO something.

I think a programme in schools to educate parents and children about animals cruelty might be a good idea.

It might not help the hardened cases but it might create awareness and create a culture of necessary shame about animal cruelty.

I think most Irish people are appalled at the quantity of cases here. We have much more than the UK. But people don't act or do things publicly if we showed people who are appalled they are the majority they might find strength in numbers to do something.

I seriously think parents in the area need to consider what the atmosphere in their schools is like and make sure that they emphasize this is not 'cool'. The schools that those children went to need to do something. (If they went) And parents and neighbours need to wake up and realize this is what their kids do and are exposed to in their play area and they need to oppose that in their community.

What happens when leaders in a gang start doing this is there is a pervading pollution of children's behaviors as a group stemming from it. Their attitudes become warped. Some children are sheepish and have not the strength of will to stand up to peers and be different and think differently. There needs to be an alternative idea or way of thinking about animals and behavior to be apart of. It might not help harden messed up kids but it might stop some weaker ones joining in and hurting more animals ...and messing their own lives up and hurting more kids too!

We need to make it so that children do not want to get a reputation as animal abusers. Not to compare it to child abuse at all lets very clear. But we need to stigmatize animal abuse. It is something ****ed up weirdos do.

galwaygirl08 · 21-06-2014 11:30AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Hi Galwaygirl

Have to say its really nice to hear from somebody living in the area, it must be really hard to have to look at this crap on a daily basis and have nothing done about it no matter what you do.

Something similar happened in Limerick not too long ago, same in Wexford. The stories died down not long after and nothing has changed. The only way I can see anything happening is if someone organises some sort of protest or similar to try and get the council and gardai to enforce the laws that are already there to stop this from happening again. It would also put pressure on the gardai to investigate the crime and hopefully charge someone as well as keeping the story in the press. I wish you the best of luck, nothing like feeling powerless to help when you are an animal lover.

Ah thanks for that message. It really is so disheartening to watch your area being taken over by these people.
We would be fined and taken to court for less, and yet they seem to do as they please.
I have no problem standing up to them. I can't say the same for the majority of others. They are sadly afraid of them.
I have literally been reduced to tears with frustration. There's only so many calls you can make to the Gardai and the council. I have even approached many of these horse owners as they have pulled up with the horses in tow.

Next stop is some kind of petition. There is definitely strength in numbers, it's just a matter of who will follow through on their word.

Roquentin · 21-06-2014 11:40AM

galwaygirl08 wrote: »

Ah thanks for that message. It really is so disheartening to watch your area being taken over by these people.
We would be fined and taken to court for less, and yet they seem to do as they please.
I have no problem standing up to them. I can't say the same for the majority of others. They are sadly afraid of them.
I have literally been reduced to tears with frustration. There's only so many calls you can make to the Gardai and the council. I have even approached many of these horse owners as they have pulled up with the horses in tow.

Next stop is some kind of petition. There is definitely strength in numbers, it's just a matter of who will follow through on their word.

care2.com do petitions

end of the road · 21-06-2014 02:19PM

a protest will not pressure the guardai into anything, unless evidence exists of who did it they can't do anything, pressuring the guardai is the wrong thing to do as it could cause them to make mistakes

Ave Sodalis · 21-06-2014 02:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

a protest will not pressure the guardai into anything, unless evidence exists of who did it they can't do anything, pressuring the guardai is the wrong thing to do as it could cause them to make mistakes

They mightn't know in this case, but there are many blaringly obvious cases of animal abuse that they don't do anything about.

end of the road · 21-06-2014 02:40PM

sup_dude wrote: »

They mightn't know in this case, but there are many blaringly obvious cases of animal abuse that they don't do anything about.

maybe because not enough evidence exists to bring a case

Little CuChulainn · 21-06-2014 02:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

maybe because not enough evidence exists to bring a case

Actually it's because the current legislation is no good. I think it's from pre-independence. There is new legislation waiting to be introduced which gives more powers to investigators, both Gardaí and Wardens. It grants the power to seize animals and provide up to date charges and penalties.

Roquentin · 21-06-2014 03:14PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Actually it's because the current legislation is no good. I think it's from pre-independence. There is new legislation waiting to be introduced which gives more powers to investigators, both Gardaí and Wardens. It grants the power to seize animals and provide up to date charges and penalties.

when is this coming in?

Little CuChulainn · 21-06-2014 03:17PM

Roquentin wrote: »

when is this coming in?

Whenever the government can be bothered to sign it in. I think some of it is in place.

Roquentin · 21-06-2014 03:29PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Whenever the government can be bothered to sign it in. I think some of it is in place.

one of the bad things about politics, it takes forever to bring new legislation in

mosi · 21-06-2014 03:43PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Actually it's because the current legislation is no good. I think it's from pre-independence. There is new legislation waiting to be introduced which gives more powers to investigators, both Gardaí and Wardens. It grants the power to seize animals and provide up to date charges and penalties.

The new Animal Health and Welfare Act was enacted a couple of months ago

Little CuChulainn · 21-06-2014 03:46PM

mosi wrote: »

The new Animal Health and Welfare Act was enacted a couple of months ago

Not the sections on animal cruelty and animal welfare for whatever reason.

The commencement order excludes section 11 and 12

Foal beaten to death, then set alight by gang of kids in Galway

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