Foal beaten to death, then set alight by gang of kids in Galway

meoklmrk91

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/baby-foal-beaten-to-death-and-set-alight-by-teenage-gang-30367855.html

Yet another lovely story of horrendous animal cruelty, yet another case where sweet **** all will be done. How's about this, set up a dead line, 3 months from now, if any horses are found either without a microchip that is properly registered or inside the boundaries of any city in Ireland then the owners are carted off to prison for a year, if no owners can be found the horse is impounded. While I don't like the idea of horses being put down, which many probably would be, but it is better than the life they have, being out into foal year after year, grazing on scrubland, lack of veterinary treatment, being ridden by inexperienced riders in dangerous circumstances and then we have incidents like this.

This country should be ashamed, we are supposed to be a nation of horse lovers, yet we allow this ****e to continue. I sincerely hope that social workers and child psychologists will be getting involved to assess these little serial killers in the making.

PinkFly

Kids? More like scumbags

Lucifer MorningStar

Pure scum, kids or not, I hope they catch the bastards soon and punish them too :mad:

--LOS--

I'm so sick of all these threads. How can you expect people to treat animals with respect when so much of our lives revolve around the unnecessary torture and killing of animals.

It's hypocritical to care about them for one thing and not for others.

So yeah, another isolated instance of animal cruelty against an animal that people generally decide to like, whoopdeedooo

Galwayguy35

Sad to say I share a county with sick fookers like that.

dodderangler

What's the fcukin thrill of settin an animal alight?
Seriously I'd love t catch scum like that.
****in bell ends

Ave Sodalis

--LOS-- wrote: »

I'm so sick of all these threads. How can you expect people to treat animals with respect when so much of our lives revolve around the unnecessary torture and killing of animals.

It's hypocritical to care about them for one thing and not for others.

So yeah, another isolated instance of animal cruelty against an animal that people generally decide to like, whoopdeedooo

Huh
Isolated? Go to majority of traveler camps to see how cruelty against horses isn't "isolated"...

EDIT: Not saying it's only traveler camps, or all but all the cases I've seen like this, these are the culprits. And I work with horses so I've seen a few...

--LOS--

sup_dude wrote: »

Huh
Isolated? Go to majority of traveler camps to see how cruelty against horses isn't "isolated"...

isolated in the scheme of things yeah. This is a thread about the cruelty towards one animal, why is that animal so special, when's there 150 billion dying every year to feed us.

Little CuChulainn

--LOS-- wrote: »

I'm so sick of all these threads. How can you expect people to treat animals with respect when so much of our lives revolve around the unnecessary torture and killing of animals.

It's hypocritical to care about them for one thing and not for others.

So yeah, another isolated instance of animal cruelty against an animal that people generally decide to like, whoopdeedooo

Is this a veggie thing? To be honest, if you can't see a difference between beating an animal to death for fun and slaughtering it for food then I can't see how anyone can expect to have a proper discussion with you.

Ave Sodalis

--LOS-- wrote: »

isolated in the scheme of things yeah. This is a thread about the cruelty towards one animal, why is that animal so special, when's there 150 billion dying every year to feed us.

This isn't a case of killing for food and nutrition... This was an act for entertainment purposes and causing as much suffering as possible. They are two seperate issues, the former is irrelevant here

PinkFly

--LOS-- wrote: »

isolated in the scheme of things yeah. This is a thread about the cruelty towards one animal, why is that animal so special, when's there 150 billion dying every year to feed us.

Bit of difference between animals that are bred for human consumption and a horse that was tortured and killed by kids

Roquentin

Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »

Pure scum, kids or not, I hope they catch the bastards soon and punish them too :mad:

Thats ballybane galway. The roughest part of the city. Some kids there dont even go to school. They just loiter all day looking for trouble.

Kids can be so cruel

Galwayguy35

--LOS-- wrote: »

isolated in the scheme of things yeah. This is a thread about the cruelty towards one animal, why is that animal so special, when's there 150 billion dying every year to feed us.

You are seriously comparing eating meat with this?

Hande hoche!

--LOS-- wrote: »

isolated in the scheme of things yeah. This is a thread about the cruelty towards one animal, why is that animal so special, when's there 150 billion dying every year to feed us.

I would wager the vast majority of them had a far more humane demise than this animal.

Lu Tze

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You are seriously comparing eating meat with this?

The big revelation comes when it turns out she has some leather products, belt or shoes or some such, which leads to the logic that its ok to peel animals, just not to eat the insides

Awkward Badger

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Is this a veggie thing? To be honest, if you can't see a difference between beating an animal to death for fun and slaughtering it for food then I can't see how anyone can expect to have a proper discussion with you.

Well an argument could be made that you don't need to eat meat, you choose to eat it because you want to and you enjoy eating it. If you eat meat from an animal that was cruelly treated (which many are in the meat industry) then an animal was cruelly treated for your enjoyment.

Perhaps you're not really looking for a proper discussion to begin with ?

meoklmrk91

Just in case anyone thinks that this is an isolated incident:

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2014/05/01/cruelty-to-horses-is-at-an-all-time-high-in-limerick/

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2014/04/10/vets-under-threat-from-animal-abuse-gangs/

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dumped-horses-spark-safety-fears-272429.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/call-for-ban-on-sulky-racing-after-horse-dies-257568.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/pony-put-down-after-it-hit-car-in-sulky-race-30338921.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-hunt-thugs-who-kicked-horse-to-death-in-wicklow-29827254.html

The oldest article there is from December 2013, now tell me we don't have a problem!

Scrappy600

--LOS-- wrote: »

isolated in the scheme of things yeah. This is a thread about the cruelty towards one animal, why is that animal so special, when's there 150 billion dying every year to feed us.

I believe your soapbox may be in the wrong location.....

Ave Sodalis

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Just in case anyone thinks that this is an isolated incident:

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2014/05/01/cruelty-to-horses-is-at-an-all-time-high-in-limerick/

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2014/04/10/vets-under-threat-from-animal-abuse-gangs/

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dumped-horses-spark-safety-fears-272429.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/call-for-ban-on-sulky-racing-after-horse-dies-257568.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/pony-put-down-after-it-hit-car-in-sulky-race-30338921.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-hunt-thugs-who-kicked-horse-to-death-in-wicklow-29827254.html

The oldest article there is from December 2013, now tell me we don't have a problem!

I feel obliged to say that although we definitely have a problem and I'm not taking away from that at all, the media often exaggerates this problem. We actually don't have a huge equine population, despite having some of the best. From some articles I remember reading, the supposed cases worked out at 1 in 5 horses being abused which is simply untrue.

Awkward Badger

--LOS-- wrote: »

I'm so sick of all these threads. How can you expect people to treat animals with respect when so much of our lives revolve around the unnecessary torture and killing of animals.

It's hypocritical to care about them for one thing and not for others.

So yeah, another isolated instance of animal cruelty against an animal that people generally decide to like, whoopdeedooo

I think its a lot more complex than that and I don't think it really lends to your argument to approach it in this way. I think there is an argument to be made though along the lines of what you say. Animal cruelty is tragic and horrific and people see that in some situations but it can also be easily dismissed in others.

catallus

I don't get this: nobody knows where the carcass of the killed animal is and people are asked to keep a look out for it and that animal's mother is also nowhere to be seen?

This type of story came up not so long ago and it turned out to be a bunch of nothing too.

I suspect a not very subtle internet viral/meme test.

Joe Duffy..

Roquentin wrote: »

Thats ballybane galway. The roughest part of the city. Some kids there dont even go to school. They just loiter all day looking for trouble.

Kids can be so cruel

Ballybane is far from the roughest part of the city.

Little CuChulainn

Pugsly wrote: »

Well an argument could be made that you don't need to eat meat, you choose to eat it because you want to and you enjoy eating it. If you eat meat from an animal that was cruelly treated (which many are in the meat industry) then an animal was cruelly treated for your enjoyment.

Perhaps you're not really looking for a proper discussion to begin with ?

Nah, I eat it because I think it's an important and necessary part of a proper diet. It's just a bonus it tastes so good.

Roquentin

Joe Duffy.. wrote: »

Ballybane is far from the roughest part of the city.

........cliffhanger................

(what is the roughest part of the city)

Joe Duffy..

Roquentin wrote: »

........cliffhanger................

(what is the roughest part of the city)

A lot of places that are nastier than Ballybane.

Roquentin

Joe Duffy.. wrote: »

A lot of places that are nastier than Ballybane.

Are we going to be at this all night or will you name one?

Awkward Badger

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Nah, I eat it because I think it's an important and necessary part of a proper diet. It's just a bonus it tastes so good.

No you eat it because you want to eat it and enjoy it, its not necessary. Its not that hard to find healthy alternatives to meat either.

So your point that anyone who doesn't differentiate between killing for enjoyment and killing for food isn't worth talking to just highlights the fact you're not really likely to be on the other end of any meaningful discussion yourself anyway. But like flies to shít people will thank your worthless post in their droves no doubt.

Joe Duffy..

Roquentin wrote: »

Are we going to be at this all night or will you name one?

Rahoon/ Westside/ Doughiska.

Ave Sodalis

Pugsly wrote: »

No you eat it because you want to eat it and enjoy it, its not necessary. Its not that hard to find healthy alternatives to meat either.

So your point that anyone who doesn't differentiate between killing for enjoyment and killing for food isn't worth talking to just highlights the fact you're not really likely to be on the other end of any meaningful discussion yourself anyway.

We are omnivores. For those of you who don't know what that means, it involves eating meat and vegetation.
Killing for fun (through causing immense amounts of suffering) and killing for food are completely different and killing for food is not relevant in a thread about a horse that was beaten to death.

Gummy Panda

Lads I'm not giving up meat but this thread shows me it's as bad as burning horses alive so I might as well take up that too.


/grabs petrol

Roquentin

Joe Duffy.. wrote: »

Rahoon/ Westside/ Doughiska.

westside and rahoon are close together. Not really that bad.

You will have people who are maybe lacking a professional qualification in those areas, but that dont make them bad.

Not sure about doughiska, but heard it was ok.

Ballybane is the worst part of the city IMO and its mainly the kids/adolscesents

Awkward Badger

sup_dude wrote: »

We are omnivores. For those of you who don't know what that means, it involves eating meat and vegetation.
Killing for fun (through causing immense amounts of suffering) and killing for food are completely different and killing for food is not relevant in a thread about a horse that was beaten to death.

We are whatever we want to be. Plenty of people don't eat meat. There is no need to eat meat and this argument that humans are animals and as animals we kill and eat other animals is nothing but a simplistic justification for doing whatever it is you want to do regardless of how it affects other things.

This thread is about an incident of animal cruelty. I don't think its much of a tangent to discuss a wider issue of animal cruelty in it or how its seen. The meat industry and the demand to eat meat undoubtedly is a huge cause of animal cruelty. But if its going to cause problems or take away from the tragic and cruel nature of this particular crime I'll drop it.

Ave Sodalis

Pugsly wrote: »

We are whatever we want to be. Plenty of people don't eat meat. There is no need to eat meat and this argument that humans are animals and as animals we kill and eat other animals is nothing but a simplistic justification for doing whatever it is you want to do regardless of how it affects other things.

This thread is about an incident of animal cruelty. I don't think its much of a tangent to discuss a wider issue of animal cruelty in it or how its seen. The meat industry and the demand to eat meat undoubtedly is a huge cause of animal cruelty.

People can choose not to eat meat, and that's fine but it's not an argument to say that humans are animals so eat meat. Plenty of animals are herbivores. We are not. We an omnivores. There is no justification for anything, we are what we are. Yes there are alternatives to meat but that doesn't change the fact that we are omnivores and we are designed to eat a certain amount of meat.
Sure there's cruelty in the meat production sector but I do not believe in Ireland, that it's as wide spread as you think. Any animal I know gone for slaughter has been dead before it even hits the ground, so very little suffering. This cannot be compared to a horse that was beaten to death. If we beat our animals to death for food, you would have a point. However, we don't.

shruikan2553

I knew my butcher was going out the back to punch up some steak. That's why they're so tender.

darkpagandeath

Pugsly wrote: »

We are whatever we want to be. Plenty of people don't eat meat. There is no need to eat meat and this argument that humans are animals and as animals we kill and eat other animals is nothing but a simplistic justification for doing whatever it is you want to do regardless of how it affects other things.

This thread is about an incident of animal cruelty. I don't think its much of a tangent to discuss a wider issue of animal cruelty in it or how its seen. The meat industry and the demand to eat meat undoubtedly is a huge cause of animal cruelty. But if its going to cause problems or take away from the tragic and cruel nature of this particular crime I'll drop it.

No it's not maybe you have heard a few Scientist over the years saying we are omnivores. And Tbh this incident is slightly different to animals processed for human consumption. Please enlighten us how our bodies digest cellulose if we don’t need to eat meat.

whisky_galore

Can we not talk about the wanton cruelty of the thread title and not indulge in whataboutery?

Zzippy

Joe Duffy.. wrote: »

Rahoon/ Westside/ Doughiska.

Seriously? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

OneEightSeven

--LOS-- wrote: »

I'm so sick of all these threads. How can you expect people to treat animals with respect when so much of our lives revolve around the unnecessary torture and killing of animals.

It's hypocritical to care about them for one thing and not for others.

So yeah, another isolated instance of animal cruelty against an animal that people generally decide to like, whoopdeedooo

Farming and harvesting involves killing insects. When you're spraying pesticides on your veggies, you're killing insects and when you're harvesting grains, you're destroying ecosystems for animals.

SAVE THE CATERPILLARS, MAN!!

--LOS--

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Is this a veggie thing? To be honest, if you can't see a difference between beating an animal to death for fun and slaughtering it for food then I can't see how anyone can expect to have a proper discussion with you.

It's a respect thing, it's a moral thing.

Both are unnecessary, one is a lot more prevalent than the other.

sup_dude wrote: »

This isn't a case of killing for food and nutrition... This was an act for entertainment purposes and causing as much suffering as possible. They are two seperate issues, the former is irrelevant here

Both are unnecessary so same thing.

Lu Tze wrote: »

The big revelation comes when it turns out she has some leather products, belt or shoes or some such, which leads to the logic that its ok to peel animals, just not to eat the insides

I don't own or purpose or use anything that contains any animal, but thanks for the judgement.

Scrappy600 wrote: »

I believe your soapbox may be in the wrong location.....

Where would it be better off? In the veggie forum preaching to the choir?

Pugsly wrote: »

I think its a lot more complex than that and I don't think it really lends to your argument to approach it in this way. I think there is an argument to be made though along the lines of what you say. Animal cruelty is tragic and horrific and people see that in some situations but it can also be easily dismissed in others.

Don't really understand where you're coming from. There's no point saying things in a nicey nicey way, it's the truth and it's easy to be offended by the truth but just realise that that's what peoples reactions are here.


This is where I gave up quoting.

Little CuChulainn

Pugsly wrote: »

No you eat it because you want to eat it and enjoy it, its not necessary. Its not that hard to find healthy alternatives to meat either.

That's your opinion. One I do not agree with.

Pugsly wrote: »

So your point that anyone who doesn't differentiate between killing for enjoyment and killing for food isn't worth talking to just highlights the fact you're not really likely to be on the other end of any meaningful discussion yourself anyway. But like flies to shít people will thank your worthless post in their droves no doubt.

Obviously it's worthless because you disagree with it. :rolleyes: God forbid your dogma should not be accepted by others. The reason my post was thanked was because most people understand the difference between intentionally inflicting pain and death for amusement and killing something for food. You obviously don't.

Joe Duffy..

Zzippy wrote: »

Seriously? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

What makes you say that?

Ave Sodalis

--LOS-- wrote: »

Both are unnecessary so same thing.

I really wouldn't say eating meat is unnecessary however that is my opinion. It's in no league what so ever to the necessity of beating a foal to death.

--LOS--

sup_dude wrote: »

I really wouldn't say eating meat is unnecessary however that is my opinion. It's in no league what so ever to the necessity of beating a foal to death.

well it wasn't my opinion, it's a fact

risteard7

I'm sick of these stories!! Fukn travellers again. They should be banned from having horses! Absolute scum a hateful community!

Go on go ahead ban me for speaking my mind and the truth!

Little CuChulainn

--LOS-- wrote: »

It's a respect thing, it's a moral thing.

Both are unnecessary, one is a lot more prevalent than the other.



Both are unnecessary so same thing.



I don't own or purpose or use anything that contains any animal, but thanks for the judgement.



Where would it be better off? In the veggie forum preaching to the choir?


This is where I gave up quoting.

So a vegan thing then? Are your principles limited to people are do you apply them to all omnivores?

darkpagandeath

--LOS-- wrote: »

It's a respect thing, it's a moral thing.

Both are unnecessary, one is a lot more prevalent than the other.



Both are unnecessary so same thing.



I don't own or purpose or use anything that contains any animal, but thanks for the judgement.



Where would it be better off? In the veggie forum preaching to the choir?



Don't really understand where you're coming from. There's no point saying things in a nicey nicey way, it's the truth and it's easy to be offended by the truth but just realise that that's what peoples reactions are here.


This is where I gave up quoting.

You do know that millions and millions of tones of insects are killed to produce your vegetarian alternatives infinitely more than any amount of cattle or farmed animals. Little hard to see the moral high ground here.

--LOS-- wrote: »

well it wasn't my opinion, it's a fact

Your body cannot digest cellulose if you ate only vegetable alternative and no protein supplemented food you would die because you could not digest the nutrients fast enough to support your metabolism. That is a fact.

Awkward Badger

sup_dude wrote: »

People can choose not to eat meat, and that's fine but it's not an argument to say that humans are animals so eat meat. Plenty of animals are herbivores. We are not. We an omnivores. There is no justification for anything, we are what we are. Yes there are alternatives to meat but that doesn't change the fact that we are omnivores and we are designed to eat a certain amount of meat.
Sure there's cruelty in the meat production sector but I do not believe in Ireland, that it's as wide spread as you think. Any animal I know gone for slaughter has been dead before it even hits the ground, so very little suffering. This cannot be compared to a horse that was beaten to death. If we beat our animals to death for food, you would have a point. However, we don't.

We are not designed to eat meat, we are not designed to do anything, we simply are the way we are. And we have the capability to eat all manner of things. Which means we have options when it comes to our diet. We choose what we want to eat and you don't have to choose meat.

I think its a lot more widespread than you think. I think in even the most stringently regulated industry there will always be those who will seek to squeeze out more profit. And in an industry like the meat industry that often comes at the expense of the welfare of animals. And is that even that strictly regulated and enforced here ?

You also have to factor in the meat coming from outside Ireland. Frozen meats, packaged food etc. There is a reason you can buy meat so cheap. Its because its produced very cheaply.

And the point is people are horrified at an animal being cruelly treated and killed in some situations but wouldn't care less in others. So in that sense it is comparable. Its the abuse and death of an animal for human enjoyment. Which in my opinion is wrong regardless of the animal or situation or mindset of whoever it is that feels justified in doing it.

Ave Sodalis

--LOS-- wrote: »

well it wasn't my opinion, it's a fact

It really isn't a fact. Yes, there are alternatives. No, not all of those alternatives are as good for you as meat. One of the most popular meat alternatives is soy. Soy, however, seriously messes with your hormone levels.

Little CuChulainn

Pugsly wrote: »

We are not designed to eat meat, we are not designed to do anything, we simply are the way we are. And we have the capability to eat all manner of things. Which means we have options when it comes to our diet. We choose what we want to eat and you don't have to choose meat.

I think its a lot more widespread than you think. I think in even the most stringently regulated industry there will always be those who will seek to squeeze out more profit. And in an industry like the meat industry that often comes at the expense of the welfare of animals. And is that even that strictly regulated and enforced here ?

You also have to factor in the meat coming from outside Ireland. Frozen meats, packaged food etc. There is a reason you can buy meat so cheap. Its because its produced very cheaply.

And the point is people are horrified at an animal being cruelly treated and killed in some situations but wouldn't care less in others. So in that sense it is comparable. Its the abuse and death of an animal for human enjoyment. Which in my opinion is wrong regardless of the animal or situation or mindset of whoever it is that feels justified in doing it.

You're equating a lack of knowledge of the origin of your meat with deliberate animal cruelty. Do you actually not see a difference?

Super-Rush

Why didn't all these witnesses do something?

Ave Sodalis

Pugsly wrote: »

We are not designed to eat meat, we are not designed to do anything, we simply are the way we are. And we have the capability to eat all manner of things. Which means we have options when it comes to our diet. We choose what we want to eat and you don't have to choose meat.

I think its a lot more widespread than you think. I think in even the most stringently regulated industry there will always be those who will seek to squeeze out more profit. And in an industry like the meat industry that often comes at the expense of the welfare of animals. And is that even that strictly regulated and enforced here ?

You also have to factor in the meat coming from outside Ireland. Frozen meats, packaged food etc. There is a reason you can buy meat so cheap. Its because its produced very cheaply.

And the point is people are horrified at an animal being cruelly treated and killed in some situations but wouldn't care less in others. So in that sense it is comparable. Its the abuse and death of an animal for human enjoyment. Which in my opinion is wrong regardless of the animal or situation or mindset of whoever it is that feels justified in doing it.

We are designed to eat meat. Same way as some animals are designed to only eat vegetation and some are only designed to eat meat which is why the digestive systems of each of the three are similar (i.e. omnivorous mammals have similar digestive systems to other omnivorous mammals)

I am not denying that there is cruelty in the meat sector. There most definitely is. However, I highly doubt you have ever been in a butchers if you think animals spend hours dying.