Adam Booth on Andy Lee vs John Jackson fight in New York on Cotto-Martinez undercard

walshb · 11-06-2014 11:26am

FTA69 wrote: »

There is zero doubt in my mind Macklin would KO him handily. Lee has no gas tank whatsoever and has persistently shown an inability to maintain a workrate past the middling rounds. Macklin on the other hand, has shown an ability to mix it at a much higher level than Lee.

Any result in that fight would not surprise me. Both average to good MW fighters.

Spazdarn · 11-06-2014 11:49am

FTA69 wrote: »

There is zero doubt in my mind Macklin would KO him handily. Lee has no gas tank whatsoever and has persistently shown an inability to maintain a workrate past the middling rounds. Macklin on the other hand, has shown an ability to mix it at a much higher level than Lee.

Andy's got a decent beard, he did get knocked out by Chavez but he's fairly heavy handed and was a great deal heavier on the night than Andy was. Don't think Macklin is anywhere near as potent as Chavez. Andy's a classier boxer where Macklin is tougher, think it's a good match up.

gaybeer · 11-06-2014 1:57pm

I would be curious to know how you would price the Macklin vs Lee fight. I just don't think unless its an absolute top top fighter how people are so sure of a knock out win.

Johner · 11-06-2014 2:00pm

Macklin 8/11
Lee 6/5

walshb · 11-06-2014 2:29pm

Johner wrote: »

Macklin 8/11
Lee 6/5

Macklin is 5/6 on Paddy Power and Lee is evens. Very close.

Tiger Mcilroy · 11-06-2014 2:52pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Andy has a good punch but I can't see him getting another lucky punch like the one he got against Jackson. Kirkland to plough through him in less than 4 I'd say.

Why was it a lucky punch? he aimed and connected..he was no doubt in bother leading up to that point but i dont get how it can be deemed lucky.

It was a peach of a shot.

walshb · 11-06-2014 2:55pm

I guess one could call any KO shot lucky, but with Lee, it was more a desperation shot than a deliberate and controlled and knowing shot. It had the look of a lucky shot.

Tiger Mcilroy · 11-06-2014 2:57pm

walshb wrote: »

Macklin is 5/6 on Paddy Power and Lee is evens. Very close.

Looks about right...macklins toughness against Lee's skill, both men have their flaws but would be a good fight.

Would favour macklin myself as he wouldnt give lee a minutes peace to allow the usual counters to come from range as would imagine his head would be on the chest of lee.

Tiger Mcilroy · 11-06-2014 3:02pm

walshb wrote: »

I guess one could call any KO shot lucky, but with Lee, it was more a desperation shot than a deliberate and controlled and knowing shot. It had the look of a lucky shot.

You could look at it that way alright.

ive watched it a few times and its a cracker..just seems a bit harsh to say it was pure luck the intent was there and he had his senses about him.

Probably more lucky his opponent wasnt a bigger puncher.

megadodge · 11-06-2014 10:03pm

walshb wrote: »

I guess one could call any KO shot lucky, but with Lee, it was more a desperation shot than a deliberate and controlled and knowing shot. It had the look of a lucky shot.

Firstly I don't think any punch can be called lucky.
If a boxer is in a ring and throws a punch aiming to hit his opponent - and it hits his opponent???? How the hell can that be lucky? It's exactly what he meant.

If the two boxers were blindfolded and hadn't a clue where each other were and one of them connected perfectly - that would be a lucky punch in my book.

In this situation I am stunned anybody could call that shot 'lucky'.
I agree there are desperation punches, thrown out of pure frustration or panic, but those ones are usually wild and often with the head down (Danny Garcia threw a few of them against Khan). If you look at Lee's punch however, it is a short, sweet punch. It was about as deliberate and controlled a shot as any fighter could do in those circumstances.

walshb · 12-06-2014 6:55am

megadodge wrote: »

Firstly I don't think any punch can be called lucky.
If a boxer is in a ring and throws a punch aiming to hit his opponent - and it hits his opponent???? How the hell can that be lucky? It's exactly what he meant.

If the two boxers were blindfolded and hadn't a clue where each other were and one of them connected perfectly - that would be a lucky punch in my book.

In this situation I am stunned anybody could call that shot 'lucky'.
I agree there are desperation punches, thrown out of pure frustration or panic, but those ones are usually wild and often with the head down (Danny Garcia threw a few of them against Khan). If you look at Lee's punch however, it is a short, sweet punch. It was about as deliberate and controlled a shot as any fighter could do in those circumstances.

I agree that KO shots can be very planned and deliberate. Some shots "look" lucky. Lee's had that feel. Desperation and frustration and panic.

Too Tough To Die · 12-06-2014 7:02am

Wasn't lucky at all, he was looking for that on numerous occasions. It was a beautiful shot and one he badly needed.

Spazdarn · 12-06-2014 7:17am

Yeah lucky might not be the correct term but out of desperation sounds about right

Fall_Guy · 12-06-2014 8:44am

walshb wrote: »

I agree that KO shots can be very planned and deliberate. Some shots "look" lucky. Lee's had that feel. Desperation and frustration and panic.

Ah thats andy lee's favourite shot, he's finished numerous opponents with that right hook....it was desperation because he was in serious trouble but it was a precise shot thrown and landed exactly as he intended, not some looping overhand thrown with his eyes closed.

Dick phelan · 12-06-2014 6:55pm

On recent form i'd heavily back Macklin to stop Lee, after i saw Lee vs Chavez i saw it as a very close fight with maybe the edge to Macklin. But Lee has been woeful in recent fights and hasn't look anywhere near even a top contender level. I don't think the drop in weight has done Lee good RJJ actually made a good point dropping down after loosing to Chavez was stupid because Chavez Jr is basically a LHW and it didn't show Andy to not be able for top MW's. Maybe it's a mental thing or maybe he isn't as good as before but at one time i saw Lee as a top contender who could get a world title against a weaker belt holder now i don't think he beats anyone in the top 10 at 154 should have stayed at MW.

Frankie Lee · 12-06-2014 7:40pm

His last good performance was against Vera nearly 3 years ago now. That night he showed great composure and kept it to an outside fight. Since then he has been dragged into inside scraps against very limited opposition like Fitzgerald and Horta. His next fight will be crucial.

SHOVELLER · 15-06-2014 1:10pm

We met Andy after the fight and naturally he was absolutely buzzing. He had time for everyone. Locals and Irish all happy for him. Photos and a great chat walking down 33rd st.

Great night at the mecca for boxing.

That punch could have saved his career.

And to cap off a great boxing week we then met Michael Moorer in Jimmy's the following night. The Champ came over, bought us a round and we had a great chat about everything but boxing!

walshb · 15-06-2014 2:28pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

And to cap off a great boxing week we then met Michael Moorer in Jimmy's the following night. The Champ came over, bought us a round and we had a great chat about everything but boxing!

So no boxing chat? Am I reading this right?

magma69 · 15-06-2014 6:18pm

walshb wrote: »

So no boxing chat? Am I reading this right?

I think boxing is the last thing most boxers want to talk about as that's what most people ask them about. I can imagine it getting somewhat irritating.

walshb · 15-06-2014 9:44pm

magma69 wrote: »

I think boxing is the last thing most boxers want to talk about as that's what most people ask them about. I can imagine it getting somewhat irritating.

So what do you talk about to a sports star that you meet by chance for the very first time? Be a bit odd if it wasn't sports (their sport) dominated. Unless of course they were very chatty and interesting on all things non boxing.

SHOVELLER · 15-06-2014 10:09pm

walshb wrote: »

So no boxing chat? Am I reading this right?

I asked him about beating Holyfield and he said besides the birth of his kid it was the best moment of his life. Then we swiftly moved on! Very interesting character. He's a board member here: findadream.org

Gave all of us his card and then wanted to do a face off with each of us individually. Those are cherished photos!

magma69 · 15-06-2014 10:22pm

walshb wrote: »

So what do you talk about to a sports star that you meet by chance for the very first time? Be a bit odd if it wasn't sports (their sport) dominated. Unless of course they were very chatty and interesting on all things non boxing.

Firstly, I'm not the go to man on advice with conversing with sports stars. For what it's worth, I'd imagine I'd talk to them the same way I'd talk to any non-sports star. Mention you're a fan or whatever and change the topic. Not odd at all really. It's not like they're incapable of talking about anything else.

Charlie George · 19-06-2014 11:48pm

Andy and Macklin will never happen now,Lee will be staying at light middle,andy should try a top 50 guy in next fight(just to get used to light m)and then quick turn around to top 10 after and who knows after this.

slapbangwallop · 26-06-2014 11:54am

Charlie George wrote: »

Andy and Macklin will never happen now,Lee will be staying at light middle,andy should try a top 50 guy in next fight(just to get used to light m)and then quick turn around to top 10 after and who knows after this.

Don't agree with that. If the money is right Andy with go back on the Rich Tea's after training again.

magma69 · 27-06-2014 9:27pm

Macklin v Lee has lost its appeal for me. I'd still like to see it but both these guys are past their best imo. Macklin through tough fights and a long career. Lee through losing Steward and some inexplicable deterioration of skills.

Charlie George · 30-06-2014 9:55pm

Will be interesting to see when and who and what weight Andy will fight next time,if he intends to stay at light middle well then he should fight all his fights at light middle,it might take a few more at this weight to get used to it.

Adam Booth on Andy Lee vs John Jackson fight in New York on Cotto-Martinez undercard

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