Adam Booth on Andy Lee vs John Jackson fight in New York on Cotto-Martinez undercard

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Adam Booth on Andy Lee vs John Jackson fight in New York on Cotto-Martinez undercard

http://youtu.be/KNUUt-kRIE8

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ANDY LEE - ' TALKS LIFE WITH ADAM BOOTH, FIGHTING IN NEW YORK & POTENTIAL SHOWDOWN WITH MACKLIN': http://t.co/uGWzA9dvuQ

Pighead

Anybody know roughly what time Andy steps into the ring?

AngeGal

I like Andy Lee, seems like a good guy anytime I have seen him doing punditry,interviews,etc., so don't mean this as a dig but Booth says before his last fight, after the Weigh in, Lee went to the cinema and ate chocolate and ice cream leaving him feeling bloated going in the ring, sounds unbelievable for a pro to do that? I'd expect better from Junior C hurlers tbh!

Tiriel

Pighead wrote: »

Anybody know roughly what time Andy steps into the ring?

2.04am box nation according to Boxing Ireland over on FB

qwabercd

Andy's days are numbered me thinks.

Neil3030

What happened?

le la rat

did not see that coming lol

qwabercd

Wow KO win for Lee!! That was out of the blue, thought he was about to go down himself.

le la rat

qwabercd wrote: »

Wow KO win for Lee!! That was out of the blue, thought he was about to go down himself.

I was sure Lee was gonna get knocked out ten seconds earlier

AngeGal

le la rat wrote: »

I was sure Lee was gonna get knocked out ten seconds earlier

Me too. Thought he might get knocked out of the ring he was so far in the ropes. Great bravery by Lee and perfect counter punch.

AngeGal

Neil3030 wrote: »

What happened?

Lee got knocked down in first round, struggled badly until round 5 (losing every round), looked like he was about to drop himself and then caught Jackson with a great hook and knocked him clean out.

Pighead

AngeGal wrote: »

Lee got knocked down in first round, struggled badly until round 5 (losing every round), looked like he was about to drop himself and then caught Jackson with a great hook and knocked him clean out.

Hell of a shot to knock Jackson out. He knew as soon as it landed it that the fight was over. Lee started badly but he won the second round and the fourth was close. Think the official scorecards had it 3 rounds to 1 to Jackson going into the 5th.

Dick phelan

What a shot from Lee reminded me of Martinez Williams. just revived his career right there stunning KO televised on a ppv show i'd love to see him and Macklin now i feel if it doesn't happen now it won't mean anything if it does. Lee may have dropped down in weight but surely he'd go back up to MW if the Macklin fight was made big money fight and a grudge match

Neil3030

AngeGal wrote: »

Lee got knocked down in first round, struggled badly until round 5 (losing every round), looked like he was about to drop himself and then caught Jackson with a great hook and knocked him clean out.

Wow. Great that he won but that sounds a bit ominous. What sort of opponent was Jackson? Is he rated at all?

Tiriel

Did not see that coming, what a punch. Think he was only up in rd3, the rest were certainly dominated by Jackson. Great result for Lee, savage KO!

Pighead

Here's a link to the knockout. Not sure how to embed vines.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3D94A8FBC91087233580515713024_29ce00e1bec.0.3.6675045910168606516.mp4?versionId=fIl_.lMrBYa2UIddjwWBtyeNDUDmBHgJ

Neil3030

Pighead wrote: »

Here's a link to the knockout. Not sure how to embed vines.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3D94A8FBC91087233580515713024_29ce00e1bec.0.3.6675045910168606516.mp4?versionId=fIl_.lMrBYa2UIddjwWBtyeNDUDmBHgJ

Some hit. His reach advantage must be insane at that weight.

Spazdarn

Neil3030 wrote: »

Some hit. His reach advantage must be insane at that weight.

Jackson's knock down in the first round was pretty sweet too

Alpha_zero

Just a couple of thoughts in addition to a previous thread of mine. This fight again highlighted all of Andy Lee's defensive flaws which were clearly on display for the entire fight and the opponent was a fringe unknown guy who was able to bully and dominate Andy. Regardless of the final result Andy being dropped in the first and totally dominated illustrates that he is not right at this weight.

However that sort of one punch demolition job on a televised HBO PPV card can rejuvenate your career which is what Andy badly needed. That KO was reminiscent of Pacquaio Marquez 4 as Andy was getting drilled against the roped, then landed one Punch and Jackson collapsed face down motionless on the canvass.

Sadly the hail Mary KO does gloss over the one sided nature of the fight up until the KO but hell it makes good TV. Hope he goes back to 160 but sadly Andy is on borrowed time and will not win a world title.

Ken.

Gotta love the commentators. Russian,Russian,Russian, lucky punch, Russian Russian Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFwA4jaSNZM

Johner

Lee is a nice boxer but he is nowhere near world level and never will be.

wandatowell

Goodnight Irene

barney4001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95gKdgvBmQ

lee v jackson

Dick phelan

What a shot brutal ko, KO of the year for me but i bet Froch vs Groves get's it because of the fight being such high profile. But besides the shot Andy looked poor he was very much loosing that fight and Jackson is no world level fighter. I really hate to say it but Andy Lee should cash out and fight Macklin make a good payday at least, because honestly i think he could get beaten by any top contender, maybe moving down in weight was a bad idea but for me he hasn't looked good since the Chavez fight, Anto Fitz, Horta and up to the 5th Jackson have all been very poor performances. Andy's a real nice fella and i'll very much support him no matter what but i've given up on him ever becoming a world champion just not at that level sadly.

barney4001

full fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRc8KBzjKv0

Andrew Flexing

Personally, I dont like to see boxers celebrate when someone is still out cold. I prefer them to wait until the doctors bring the Ko'd guy back around, make sure he is ok etc. It just seems weird to me to see it.
Great KO tho!

Spazdarn

I'd say he was just overcome with relief that he still had a career.

Henno30

Current top 10 at 154. Who does Lee beat?

Canelo
Lara
Cotto
Molina
Trout
Andrade
Kirkland
Charlo
Ishe Smith
Rabchenko

Deiseboy01

Henno30 wrote: »

Current top 10 at 154. Who does Lee beat?

Canelo
Lara
Cotto
Molina
Trout
Andrade
Kirkland
Charlo
Ishe Smith
Rabchenko

Lets hope he never has to get into the ring with Kirkland, that guy would destroy him!

gaybeer

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Lets hope he never has to get into the ring with Kirkland, that guy would destroy him!

Kirkland is one of the fights I would look for for Andy. Lee has a decent chin and if you get past a few rounds with Kirkland you are in with a great chance. Andy can punch a bit and kirkland can be hurt. Bring it on! I would love to see Lee fight a bit more on the front foot, establish the jab more and be more assertive.

Johner

I think Kirkland stops Lee after a few rounds of punishment.

willmunny1990

Good knockout from a painfully limited boxer.

walshb

gaybeer wrote: »

Kirkland is one of the fights I would look for for Andy. Lee has a decent chin and if you get past a few rounds with Kirkland you are in with a great chance. Andy can punch a bit and kirkland can be hurt. Bring it on! I would love to see Lee fight a bit more on the front foot, establish the jab more and be more assertive.

Edge of your seat stuff. With Kirkland's less than stellar defense and Lee's less than stellar defense, and both with KO power, and Kirkland just out to kill, we could see a Hagler-Hearns II.

gaybeer

walshb wrote: »

Edge of your seat stuff. With Kirkland's less than stellar defense and Lee's less than stellar defense, and both with KO power, and Kirkland just out to kill, we could see a Hagler-Hearns II.

I actually thinks Lee showed a bit of improved defence on Saturday night, obviously apart from getting tagged in round 1. While still not perfect, he showed improved head movement and instincts when he was hurt. I think people on this forum have a habit of overrating big punchers, Kirkland, Matteyse et al. Kirkland has been hurt, dropped and knocked out by light punchers with less boxing than Andy. I wouldn't give him much of a chance against the rest of the top 10 but this is a pick em fight for me.

Deiseboy01

gaybeer wrote: »

Kirkland is one of the fights I would look for for Andy. Lee has a decent chin and if you get past a few rounds with Kirkland you are in with a great chance. Andy can punch a bit and kirkland can be hurt. Bring it on! I would love to see Lee fight a bit more on the front foot, establish the jab more and be more assertive.

I think Kirkland would walk him down and destroy him. Sorry to be negative Andy is one of our own but he's just not good enough.

Best option for him is to get a fight v Machlin. Make a few quid and then retire. He was decent on Sky as a co commentator. Could be the way to go.

Deiseboy01

gaybeer wrote: »

I actually thinks Lee showed a bit of improved defence on Saturday night, obviously apart from getting tagged in round 1. While still not perfect, he showed improved head movement and instincts when he was hurt. I think people on this forum have a habit of overrating big punchers, Kirkland, Matteyse et al. Kirkland has been hurt, dropped and knocked out by light punchers with less boxing than Andy. I wouldn't give him much of a chance against the rest of the top 10 but this is a pick em fight for me.

Smith?

walshb

Lee has no chance at all apart from a one punch KO. Kirkland will walk through him and break him apart otherwise. BUT, Kirkland hasn't got a brilliant chin, and it may only take one clean shot from Lee. Would love love love him to KO Kirkland if they met.

gaybeer

walshb wrote: »

Lee has no chance at all apart from a one punch KO. Kirkland will walk through him and break him apart otherwise. BUT, Kirkland hasn't got a brilliant chin, and it may only take one clean shot from Lee. Would love love love him to KO Kirkland if they met.

I could see Lee winning a points decision against Kirkland. Would I bet on it? No. But for the sake of balance, Lee has a decent chin, moderate power and some boxing ability and Kirkland has struggled with fighters who are arguably inferior to Andy in all three areas. Remember for as limited as Lee is he kept Chavez off for 6 rounds and Chavez would be 30lbs heavier with arguably more boxing ability than Kirkland. I just think people overestimate fighters with power and the hole argument becomes well when he hits him he wins the fight.

walshb

gaybeer wrote: »

I could see Lee winning a points decision against Kirkland. Would I bet on it? No.

Very surprosed, unless it was over 3 rds!;)

gaybeer

walshb wrote: »

Very surprosed, unless it was over 3 rds!;)

I actually think its less likely over 3 than 12!! I just think it gets a bit laughable when people suggest there is no way Kirkland could lose to anybody! He was getting circles boxed around him by Molina who is arguably inferior to Lee, who has only 6 KOs. He was destroyed by a feather punching Japanese fighter in a round. These would be the same people that would suggest that Amir Khan can't win a fight because of his chin but because someone can punch they are unbeatable!

gaybeer

For the record I would favor Kirkland in the fight but Lee has more than zero chance to win the fight. And of all the people in that top 10 he has a worse chance against most of the other fighters.

magma69

gaybeer wrote: »

I actually think its less likely over 3 than 12!! I just think it gets a bit laughable when people suggest there is no way Kirkland could lose to anybody! He was getting circles boxed around him by Molina who is arguably inferior to Lee, who has only 6 KOs. He was destroyed by a feather punching Japanese fighter in a round. These would be the same people that would suggest that Amir Khan can't win a fight because of his chin but because someone can punch they are unbeatable!

How is Molina arguably better than Lee exactly? Molina is streets ahead of Lee. He should have been given decisions in both Chavez fights (by all accounts) beaten Cintron, Lara (imo) and made **** of Kirkland before a ****ty dq. Molina has shown he can hang at the top level. Lee has had one fight at top level in Chavez and ended up taking a hammering.

There's no logical argument that Molina is inferior to Lee as far as I can see. Maybe you could enlighten me though.

gaybeer

magma69 wrote: »

How is Molina arguably better than Lee exactly? Molina is streets ahead of Lee. He should have been given decisions in both Chavez fights (by all accounts) beaten Cintron, Lara (imo) and made **** of Kirkland before a ****ty dq. Molina has shown he can hang at the top level. Lee has had one fight at top level in Chavez and ended up taking a hammering.

There's no logical argument that Molina is inferior to Lee as far as I can see. Maybe you could enlighten me though.

I haven't seen the Chavez fights but they were in 2005 I think when Chavez was fighting at 154. Hardly the same fighter. I was more trying to highlight Kirklands limitations than particulary push Lee. I was merely attempting to bring some balance. But again with Molina, the guy has some decent results but is no world beater. Molina is an awkward fighter but someone with next to no power. I used him as an example of someone Kirkland didn't just walk down and destroy. Do I think Lee beats him the majority of the time, maybe not but could I see a scenario where he hits too hard and is too big for someone with an awkward still but no real power.

Spazdarn

Andy has a good punch but I can't see him getting another lucky punch like the one he got against Jackson. Kirkland to plough through him in less than 4 I'd say.

FTA69

He should have been given decisions in both Chavez fights (by all accounts) beaten Cintron, Lara (imo) and made **** of Kirkland before a ****ty dq

That was a disgraceful decision. I'm a huge fan of Lara and think he's one of the best out there today but it's clear he underestimated Molina massively and found himself out of depth pretty quickly.

Your points about Molina are spot on. He has demonstrated an ability to mix at the top level, albeit his lack of power has contributed to judges getting away with robbing him blind. Lee on the other hand has been a perpetual disappointment as far as I'm concerned and is clearly a tier below Molina and most of the people he has fought recently.

I think the fact Lee is one of our own (huge hype in Ireland around him) kind of obscures some people's opinions on him.

gaybeer

FTA69 wrote: »

That was a disgraceful decision. I'm a huge fan of Lara and think he's one of the best out there today but it's clear he underestimated Molina massively and found himself out of depth pretty quickly.

Your points about Molina are spot on. He has demonstrated an ability to mix at the top level, albeit his lack of power has contributed to judges getting away with robbing him blind. Lee on the other hand has been a perpetual disappointment as far as I'm concerned and is clearly a tier below Molina and most of the people he has fought recently.

I think the fact Lee is one of our own (huge hype in Ireland around him) kind of obscures some people's opinions on him.

I am very aware of just how limited Lee is. I am not saying he is even a top ten guy, I was just pointing out that Kirkland is very limited too and wouldn't be a terrible fight either. Kirkland has been much more exposed than Andy Lee.

FTA69

I agree with you in the sense they're both limited. I disagree with you on your point that Lee is of a higher calibre than Molina.

Spazdarn

Andy would be well able for Macklin, there's money in that fight.
I don't see Macklin being a step up from him

gaybeer

FTA69 wrote: »

I agree with you in the sense they're both limited. I disagree with you on your point that Lee is of a higher calibre than Molina.

I think you misunderstood me slightly, I probably phrased it badly. I was just trying to point out that there were limited fighters in that top ten. I don't think that he is a higher calibre but a similiar level and as such I think there are potential winable fights for him.

FTA69

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Andy would be well able for Macklin, there's money in that fight.
I don't see Macklin being a step up from him

There is zero doubt in my mind Macklin would KO him handily. Lee has no gas tank whatsoever and has persistently shown an inability to maintain a workrate past the middling rounds. Macklin on the other hand, has shown an ability to mix it at a much higher level than Lee.