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generic2012 · 14-06-2014 03:42PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Certainly agree with counting macros but this idea that some people have that a calorie is a calorie is absurd.

If a calorie wasn't a calorie it wouldn't be called a calorie.

fat to ripped · 15-06-2014 07:35PM

Excess food is what is bad. Diets are a very individual thing, but what will always stay true is that if you eat too much of anything you'll gain weight. After that you can debate the other crap to death.

desultory · 15-06-2014 07:59PM

fat to ripped wrote: »

Excess food is what is bad. Diets are a very individual thing, but what will always stay true is that if you eat too much of anything you'll gain weight. After that you can debate the other crap to death.

Run while you still can. Bruno will be here to attack you over that very fact soon

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 08:49PM

fat to ripped wrote: »

Excess food is what is bad. Diets are a very individual thing, but what will always stay true is that if you eat too much of anything you'll gain weight. After that you can debate the other crap to death.

Excess carbs are bad. Easy to overeat carbs- extremely difficult to overeat fat and protein.

generic2012 · 15-06-2014 09:00PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Excess carbs are bad. Easy to overeat carbs- extremely difficult to overeat fat and protein.

Peanuts. Check mate.

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 09:08PM

generic2012 wrote: »

Peanuts. Check mate.

Peanuts are legumes- cannot be compared to nuts like almond, macadamia etc. check the gi and gl.

desultory · 15-06-2014 09:43PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Peanuts are legumes- cannot be compared to nuts like almond, macadamia etc. check the gi and gl.

You just said protein.

generic2012 · 15-06-2014 09:50PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Peanuts are legumes- cannot be compared to nuts like almond, macadamia etc. check the gi and gl.

GI and GL are meaningless

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 09:51PM

desultory wrote: »

You just said protein.

What?

Effects on blood sugar levels is what is important.

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 09:54PM

generic2012 wrote: »

GI and GL are meaningless

Blood glucose levels are not important?

Peanuts high fat and protein and although fairly low gi- still one of reasons they easier to overeat due to what they do to blood glucose.

generic2012 · 15-06-2014 10:10PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Blood glucose levels are not important?

Not nearly as impprtant as you seem to want. Look up acylation stimulating protein, the hormone the body uses to store dietary fat as adipose tissue. And you seem to think that insulin causes carbohydrates or glucose to be stored as fat while in reality it just causes tthe body to switch from fat to glucose as a fuel, it is very uncommon for healthy people to store 'carbs' as fat. Even if your theory was true many practically pure protein sources have a greater insulin response than many pure carb sources.

It was all pretty funny at the start but it's getting weird now and you're giving dangerous advice. Stop being such a nuthugging fan boy and do some research into what is true, not what you want to be true.

DonnaDarko09 · 15-06-2014 10:23PM

Genuine question..I know some people say a calorie is a calorie while others argue otherwise. I eat a clean diet 80-90% of the time. My housemate on the other hand eats a highly processed high sugar diet of choc and crisps. Calorie wise I would clearly eat much more than her yet she has developed a 'belly' whereas I would be still toned. She would be about a half inch taller than me and we're both of slim build (her more so) and would have similar attitudes towards exercise. Does our metabolism dictate how we process any calorie or are the types of calories we consume also playing a part in determining if they end up as fat or not?

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 10:40PM

generic2012 wrote: »

Not nearly as impprtant as you seem to want. Look up acylation stimulating protein, the hormone the body uses to store dietary fat as adipose tissue. And you seem to think that insulin causes carbohydrates or glucose to be stored as fat while in reality it just causes tthe body to switch from fat to glucose as a fuel, it is very uncommon for healthy people to store 'carbs' as fat. Even if your theory was true many practically pure protein sources have a greater insulin response than many pure carb sources.

It was all pretty funny at the start but it's getting weird now and you're giving dangerous advice. Stop being such a nuthugging fan boy and do some research into what is true, not what you want to be true.

What's a nuthugging fan boy?! Why get personal?

Well aware of it- not convinced of its importance.

If this forum is all about giving proper advice then surely only qualified people should be permitted to post. I'm not advising anyone- just giving an opinion .

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 10:41PM

DonnaDarko09 wrote: »

Genuine question..I know some people say a calorie is a calorie while others argue otherwise. I eat a clean diet 80-90% of the time. My housemate on the other hand eats a highly processed high sugar diet of choc and crisps. Calorie wise I would clearly eat much more than her yet she has developed a 'belly' whereas I would be still toned. She would be about a half inch taller than me and we're both of slim build (her more so) and would have similar attitudes towards exercise. Does our metabolism dictate how we process any calorie or are the types of calories we consume also playing a part in determining if they end up as fat or not?

You've just proved calories are not equal.

desultory · 15-06-2014 10:50PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

What?

Effects on blood sugar levels is what is important.

You said it's hard to overeat proteins and fat. He gave a food that is high in proteins. You then changed the parameters.

It's amazing how much you change things around to suit yourself

Excess ANYTHING is bad. Cop on to yourself. The ease of which anything can be overraten is entirely irrelevant.

Bruno26 · 15-06-2014 10:59PM

desultory wrote: »

You said it's hard to overeat proteins and fat. He gave a food that is high in proteins. You then changed the parameters.

It's amazing how much you change things around to suit yourself

Excess ANYTHING is bad. Cop on to yourself. The ease of which anything can be overraten is entirely irrelevant.

Cop on about what? I gave a reason/ opinion why peanuts are an anomaly.

generic2012 · 16-06-2014 08:27AM

Bruno26 wrote: »

You've just proved calories are not equal.

I eat 5 million calories from carbs a day and I am at 0.01% bodyfat and the doctor says I'm the healthiest man that ever lived. I just 'proved' you're wrong. By your standards that is proof.

Essien · 16-06-2014 08:39AM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Excess carbs are bad. Easy to overeat carbs- extremely difficult to overeat fat and protein.

Butter, eggs, bacon, cream, cheese.

Just off the top of my head, all hflc, all ridiculously easy to overeat.

generic2012 · 16-06-2014 08:43AM

Essien wrote: »

Butter, eggs, bacon, cream, cheese.

Just off the top of my head, all hflc, all ridiculously easy to overeat.

Yeah but they don't count because something

generic2012 · 16-06-2014 08:46AM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Excess carbs are bad. Easy to overeat carbs- extremely difficult to overeat fat and protein.

generic2012 wrote: »

Peanuts. Check mate.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Peanuts are legumes- cannot be compared to nuts like almond, macadamia etc. check the gi and gl.

desultory wrote: »

You just said protein.

Bruno26 wrote: »

What?

Effects on blood sugar levels is what is important.

Rational Wiki (a good website btw) on 'moving the goalposts' -
Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. This is usually done by the "losing" side of an argument in a desperate bid to save face. If the goalposts are moved far enough, then the standards can eventually evolve[1] into something that cannot be met no matter what (or anything will meet said standard if the losing side is trying to meet the standard using this tactic). Usually such a tactic is spotted quickly.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

Bruno26 · 16-06-2014 09:34AM

generic2012 wrote: »

I eat 5 million calories from carbs a day and I am at 0.01% bodyfat and the doctor says I'm the healthiest man that ever lived. I just 'proved' you're wrong. By your standards that is proof.

Can you explain to that poster why they are toned and their housemate is not?

Alf Veedersane · 16-06-2014 09:40AM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Can you explain to that poster why they are toned and their housemate is not?

The poster didn't post their diet or housemate's diet so no one is in a position to derive anything from it.

Blacktie. · 16-06-2014 09:41AM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Can you explain to that poster why they are toned and their housemate is not?

Without becoming extremely invasive into their lives I'd imagine no he can't.

N=1 anecdotal evidence received on an anonymous internet forum isn't exactly reliable.

Bruno26 · 16-06-2014 09:42AM

Essien wrote: »

Butter, eggs, bacon, cream, cheese.

Just off the top of my head, all hflc, all ridiculously easy to overeat.

I would have to disagree. I find it impossible to overeat those foods as I feel full quickly and for a long time after, whereas when my food intake involved lots of carbs I found it very easy to overeat or to stop eating, eg breakfast cereals.

Its probably slightly easier to overeat protein than fat. Those foods have zero effect on blood sugar (cheese & cream perhaps a miniscule effect). They make you feel satiated. Google appestat.

Bruno26 · 16-06-2014 09:50AM

generic2012 wrote: »

Rational Wiki (a good website btw) on 'moving the goalposts' -
Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. This is usually done by the "losing" side of an argument in a desperate bid to save face. If the goalposts are moved far enough, then the standards can eventually evolve[1] into something that cannot be met no matter what (or anything will meet said standard if the losing side is trying to meet the standard using this tactic). Usually such a tactic is spotted quickly.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

Was I wrong about peanuts? There are valid explanations why people overeat them including high salt. Is it wrong to explain this anomaly?

Blacktie. · 16-06-2014 10:02AM

Nuts in general are very easy to over eat.

runawaybishop · 16-06-2014 11:37AM

DonnaDarko09 wrote: »

Genuine question..I know some people say a calorie is a calorie while others argue otherwise. I eat a clean diet 80-90% of the time. My housemate on the other hand eats a highly processed high sugar diet of choc and crisps. Calorie wise I would clearly eat much more than her yet she has developed a 'belly' whereas I would be still toned. She would be about a half inch taller than me and we're both of slim build (her more so) and would have similar attitudes towards exercise. Does our metabolism dictate how we process any calorie or are the types of calories we consume also playing a part in determining if they end up as fat or not?

Ignore anything Bruno says.

She's eating more than she is burning off and you are not. This is especially true when it comes to the stomach region as arms and legs etc can be improved by strength work but the stomach is pretty much all down to body fat level.

Bruno26 · 16-06-2014 11:54AM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Ignore anything Bruno says.

She's eating more than she is burning off and you are not. This is especially true when it comes to the stomach region as arms and legs etc can be improved by strength work but the stomach is pretty much all down to body fat level.

How can you say this when the poster has not posted up the actual diets?

Ye it's nothing to do with the high processed sugar diet!

According to what you are saying- if the toned person in this case switched to the high processed sugar diet they would stay toned.

runawaybishop · 16-06-2014 12:01PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

How can you say this when the poster has not posted up the actual diets?

Ye it's nothing to do with the high processed sugar diet!

According to what you are saying- if the toned person in this case switched to the high processed sugar diet they would stay toned.

Go away.

DonnaDarko09 · 17-06-2014 01:21AM

For arguments sake, my typial diet:

~60g oatbran with non-sweetened almond milk,
chicken breast + salad for lunch,
dinner would be a MOUNTAIN of veg (broccoli, carrots, peas, cauliflower) or sometimes I have buttered cabbage, + protein like salmon fillet (sometimes 2)/+ boiled eggs.., steak once a week, tin of tuna, chicken breast...I use coconut oil to cook everything in
snacks include fage yoghurt (full fat or 2%)...I sometimes have 2 a day (after luch and after dinner with some fruit as a desert)...other snacks would be 45-60g of non-salted nuts like cashews/walnuts...fruit I have tried to cut down on but would still munch through 4-5 pieces a day like 2x apples/1 orange/banana (some days only)/pear...I limit dark choc bar to once or twice a weekend as a treat
Drinks include coffee, green/herbal tea and water mostly. I don't weigh or count calories but a while back I used MFP for a fw weeks, and calories fluctuated to approx 1600-2200

HER typical diet (from what I see anyway):
no breakfast except black coffee, or sometimes one of those cereal breakfast bars,
lunch would be soup or lentils, with 1 piece of bread..
dinner would be a fruit smoothie, 1 piece of chocolate cake, large bag of crisps (60g~),some sugared/salted nuts...If she cooks dinner, it may be breaded cod or more lentils with fried parma meat stuff. Drinks include coffee/herbal tea/water/fruit juice..she might get a takeaway once a week but would never eat a full portion and would put half away for next day...from what I see, she does portion control and eats v small amounts of crappy foods...whereas I would eat much larger volumes albeit 'healthier'. I have a sedentary desk job whereas she would be on her feet a lot. We're bot slim...bt she has developed fat around her middle. I don't know about calories for her so perhaps I've undersetimated as someone suggested. Her portions would be v small though.

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