LC SPANISH 2014 All Levels Discussion

7jy · 13-06-2014 10:56am #1

¡Compartéis sus frases y opiniónes aquí!

Share your phrases and thoughts here! (provide a translation if typing en español)

Pretty relaxed myself, have a handle on the subjunctive and such and the oral being over is such a relief.

aleatorio · 13-06-2014 11:07am

7jy wrote: »

¡Compartéis sus frases y opiniónes aquí!

Share your phrases and thoughts here! (provide a translation if typing en español)

Pretty relaxed myself, have a handle on the subjunctive and such and the oral being over is such a relief.

No es necesario escribir un translación

I haven't looked at Spanish properly in a good while so I'm a bit worried about trying to get a grip on it again, aiming for an A2 so hopefully we get a nice paper :pac:
Idk why, but I have a feeling something about the environment, technology or bullying might come up in the opinion piece or as a theme for the journalistic text, don't ask me why though :pac:

Has anyone else done Sin Noticias De Gurb? I studied the novel but not really sure what standard of answers are expected for the English question so I think I might only do it if the other text is particularly nasty..

chatterboxxx95 · 13-06-2014 11:22am

Thought I was grand for spanish, haven't looked sideways at it in a month and now I forget everything. These 4 days shall be fun!

¡Ojala que toda salga bien!

booblefoop · 13-06-2014 11:35am

aleatorio wrote: »

No es necesario escribir un translación

I haven't looked at Spanish properly in a good while so I'm a bit worried about trying to get a grip on it again, aiming for an A2 so hopefully we get a nice paper :pac:
Idk why, but I have a feeling something about the environment, technology or bullying might come up in the opinion piece or as a theme for the journalistic text, don't ask me why though :pac:

Has anyone else done Sin Noticias De Gurb? I studied the novel but not really sure what standard of answers are expected for the English question so I think I might only do it if the other text is particularly nasty..

We didn't do the novel, but our teacher says every year she's corrected exams people who answer on the journalistic text do better than those who answer on the novel, so switching might not be a bad idea!

7jy · 13-06-2014 11:41am

technology is a good shout for the opinion, and I wouldn't put it past them putting on some about la Copa del Mundo somewhere too.

Minigocko · 13-06-2014 2:24pm

any predictions for the opinion piece?

Canard · 13-06-2014 3:15pm

I'll try to throw in some corrections as you go along since it never hurts

Only two so far: translación, while a good guess :P, should be traducción (think of the verb, traducir)

Second thing: When you use ojalá you don't need que after it, which is quite odd I know considering that's one of the most basic requirements for a subjunctive...but it comes from Arabic and basically means "allah willing" (hence the alá bit, I think) so it's like "Allah willing, the exam will go well", no "that" involved!

(I dunno if that tidbit helps to understand it at all, I've just always found it interesting)

Also, while ojalá can translate to "hopefully", when you use it with the imperfect subjunctive it can also mean "I wish", so "ojalá pudiera..." means "I wish I could" and "ojalá estuvieras aquí" is how you say "I wish you were here". Basically the imperfect subjunctive can imply less possibility than the present one, so you can sort of see how that meaning comes about.

Buena suerte a todos

nailforhammer · 13-06-2014 5:04pm

7jy wrote: »

¡Compartéis sus frases y opiniónes aquí!

It's compartid (or even compartan if you want to be formal and use ustedes) because you are telling people to do something. E.g. Do it ≈ ¡hacedlo!

Sorry for correcting you but it's good in case it comes up in the dialogue

7jy · 13-06-2014 5:57pm

completely forgot I was using the imperative, cheers as I don't want to be doing stupid things like that on tues!

Canard · 13-06-2014 6:35pm

Oh and you probably know this but since it's second person plural rather than ustedes, you'd use vuestras instead of sus

Lara_15 · 13-06-2014 7:08pm

Im thinking something along the lines of health or technology for the opinion piece, not sure why, just a hunch

chatterboxxx95 · 13-06-2014 8:44pm

anyone have any tips for the listening?? I know all my vocab pretty well and the old reliables like weather, I just find the listening section more difficult than the rest of the paper

also did anyone else do examcraft mock? cursing the person who corrected mine ridiculously easy, i mean 50/50 for an opinion piece with grammar mistakes

:/ now I feel like I'll be doing well to pull any grade remotely similar to the mocks

also if anyone has the deb mock handy I'd be very greatful

if ye don't have a scan digital copy of it don't bother though, I know it's a lot of work rooting for and scanning these things

Regards the allah thing, oh my god that's really weird :pac: ya definately learn something new everyday

Lara_15 · 13-06-2014 9:06pm

I almost failed my listening in the christmas test (40% bang on) I just went onto examinations.ie and practiced them loads and learned some vocab and it brought me up to 96% in the mock!!

When Im practicing I correct them off the marking scheme and for anything I missed or got wrong I went back to the tape again and listened out for it, replaying until I heard it.

chatterboxxx95 · 13-06-2014 9:27pm

Lara_15 wrote: »

I almost failed my listening in the christmas test (40% bang on) I just went onto examinations.ie and practiced them loads and learned some vocab and it brought me up to 96% in the mock!!

When Im practicing I correct them off the marking scheme and for anything I missed or got wrong I went back to the tape again and listened out for it, replaying until I heard it.

Wow fair play!!

Yeah, I've been doing the rest of the exam paper ones that we haven't done in class this week and gone through the hearsay cd afterwards picking out the vocab, I've improved somewhat but after tomorrow I've run out of papers

nailforhammer · 13-06-2014 9:45pm

Irregulares
Ser = sea, seas...
Dar = Dé, des, Dé...
Saber = sepa, sepas...
Ir = Vaya, vayas...
Estar = esté, estés, esté...
Haber = haya, hayas...

Verbs that mainly go in subjunctive
Querer... Quiero que vaya
Necesitar... ¿Necesitas que te ayude?
Gustar
Sorprender
Molestar

Other important ones to remember include:
No creo que
No es verdad que
No es cierto que

These can be either positive or negative in SUBJ:
(No) es normal/fantastico/lógico/terrible/raro/

Canard · 13-06-2014 10:54pm

A good test of whether or not something should be subjunctive is to check if it normally goes with an infinitive. You can see that with most of the above examples. Replacing the infinitive with que usually means the verb takes the subjunctive, e.g. Quiero bailar -> Quiero que bailes, same with necesitar. Me gusta nadar -> Me gusta que sepas lo que quieres hacer. (It's to do with changing subjects more than anything.)

I had a big explanation typed out for verbs like evitar que + subjuntivo but I don't know if it will be any use or just confuse everyone so I'll leave it for now.

7jy · 13-06-2014 11:37pm

the key with the listening really is just to make sure you're fully focused and not too worn out, as it's after the written paper and worth an awful lot. what works for me is to write absolutely nothing and just concentrate on listening until the break after the second reading, not sure how you guys do it.

RAnderson1995 · 14-06-2014 12:08pm

Just a place to suggest what you're studying for the exam and a place to vent about the exam when it's finished!

RAnderson1995 · 14-06-2014 12:09pm

What are you guys expecting in the Opinion Piece?

Bonbon1995 · 14-06-2014 12:35pm

environment hasnt come up since 08/09??

RAnderson1995 · 14-06-2014 12:50pm

Bonbon1995 wrote: »

environment hasnt come up since 08/09??

I'd LOVE an environment question!
I've heard technology is probably a good bet!

2thousand14 · 16-06-2014 1:59pm

Whats the best thing to look over now that its tomorrow? don't know what to do

aleatorio · 16-06-2014 2:03pm

2thousand14 wrote: »

Whats the best thing to look over now that its tomorrow? don't know what to do

Me neither.. Haven't a clue how to study languages

Think I'll do a listening exam, look over some opinion piece phrases and some grammar

football girl · 16-06-2014 5:24pm

Hopefully you get an easier paper than we did last year!

leavingcert problems · 16-06-2014 6:01pm

Hola mis amigos, estoy harta de los exámenes y quiero ir de copas. Desafortunadamente, tengo que estudiar y no tengo un idea.. Lol thats about the height of my español and its probably wrong!! I'm in a desperate situación y estoy mirando ayudar.. What should have a glance over para tener exitó (or even scrape a C3)

aleatorio · 16-06-2014 6:11pm

algunas frases útiles para el artículo de opinión:

Frases idiomáticas:
Un cero a la izquierda - Useless
Hecho polvo - Exhausted
Patas arriba - In a mess
Por lo pelos - 'by the skin of your teeth'
Vale la pena - Worth the effort
Dar por sentado - To take something for granted

Examinemos la situación/Veamos cuales son las problemas
Hay un sinfín de...
No hay que buscar lejos para encontrar ejemplos de esto
Lamento decir
Ojalá fuera así
Ojalá las cosas cambien
Ojalá la situación mejore
Al fin y al cabo
Todo el mundo dice que..
Teniendo en cuenta todos los puntos de vista, no hay otra conclusión que valga

El Medio Ambiente:
La copa de ozone (el agujero en la..)
La energía hidráulica/renovable/no renovable/eólica/solar
El efecto invernadero
El calentamiento planetario
Perder
Explotar
Agredir
Respetar
'La tierra no es una herencia de nuestros padres sino un préstamo de nuestros hijos'

La tecnología

La era multimedia
La libertad de expresión
Foros
La red
El medio de comunicar
El correo electrónico
La contraseña
Descargar
Grabar
Colgar
Navegar por la red

Hope that helps someone

Lara_15 · 16-06-2014 7:54pm

aleatorio wrote: »

algunas frases útiles para el artículo de opinión:

Frases idiomáticas:
Un cero a la izquierda - Useless
Hecho polvo - Exhausted
Patas arriba - In a mess
Por lo pelos - 'by the skin of your teeth'
Vale la pena - Worth the effort
Dar por sentado - To take something for granted

Examinemos la situación/Veamos cuales son las problemas
Hay un sinfín de...
No hay que buscar lejos para encontrar ejemplos de esto
Lamento decir
Ojalá fuera así
Ojalá las cosas cambien
Ojalá la situación mejore
Al fin y al cabo
Todo el mundo dice que..
Teniendo en cuenta todos los puntos de vista, no hay otra conclusión que valga

El Medio Ambiente:
La copa de ozone (el agujero en la..)
La energía hidráulica/renovable/no renovable/eólica/solar
El efecto invernadero
El calentamiento planetario
Perder
Explotar
Agredir
Respetar
'La tierra no es una herencia de nuestros padres sino un préstamo de nuestros hijos'

La tecnología

La era multimedia
La libertad de expresión
Foros
La red
El medio de comunicar
El correo electrónico
La contraseña
Descargar
Grabar
Colgar
Navegar por la red

Hope that helps someone

thanks sooooo much, in case anyone wants it i transferred a few of them onto this website i find really good for learning vocab
http://www.memrise.com/course/337994/leaving-cert-essay-vocab/

aleatorio · 17-06-2014 1:12pm

Well, that wasn't too bad! Thought some of the synonyms were hard (the first 3 of the second set in Section B eluded me..) but other than that, and the word for Scholarship, 'twas fine!

RAnderson1995 · 17-06-2014 1:32pm

Ah sure that was grand... found the listening a bit difficult but i got an answer for everything! The letter was fabulous as i had studied all about social networks for the opinion piece! the opinion piece was also great, i did the second one as it was quite broad and could be based on a number of things! all in all i'm pretty happy and f*cking delighted that it's now officially summer (for me)

curlyclodagh · 17-06-2014 1:37pm

Please for the love of God someone else tell me they thought that paper was horrific!

nailforhammer · 17-06-2014 1:56pm

RAnderson1995 wrote: »

Ah sure that was grand... found the listening a bit difficult but i got an answer for everything! The letter was fabulous as i had studied all about social networks for the opinion piece! the opinion piece was also great, i did the second one as it was quite broad and could be based on a number of things! all in all i'm pretty happy and f*cking delighted that it's now officially summer (for me)

Ya I'm finished now too. The listening was hard enough. There was an echo in my exam hall so that was annoying.
I did the letter too because I had the vocab from technology on it learnt for the essay.
The essay was OK too as we had done essays on stress and travel so those both fitted well.
I did both the diary and the note and I also did the dialogue too. The diary was easier than the note I thought because I forgot what bullfight was.

Some of the translating and synonyms were hard I thought in the comprehensions.
For example ganadería is 'cattle ranching' how are we meant to know that?
I guessed it was farming.

Lara_15 · 17-06-2014 2:10pm

thought the dialogue was grand, opinion pieces could have been alot worse but the comprehensions were difficult enough. And the listening was harder than alot that I had practiced which is annoying because they usually bring me up a good bit

RAnderson1995 · 17-06-2014 2:27pm

nailforhammer wrote: »

Ya I'm finished now too. The listening was hard enough. There was an echo in my exam hall so that was annoying.
I did the letter too because I had the vocab from technology on it learnt for the essay.
The essay was OK too as we had done essays on stress and travel so those both fitted well.
I did both the diary and the note and I also did the dialogue too. The diary was easier than the note I thought because I forgot what bullfight was.

Some of the translating and synonyms were hard I thought in the comprehensions.
For example ganadería is 'cattle ranching' how are we meant to know that?
I guessed it was farming.

I didn't do the note because i forgot the word for bullfighting also! We had to move to do our listening and the CD player was up so loud that it was muffled Sounding!
I HATE dialouges so i didn't even look at that, but sure all in all i'm fairly happy and there's nothing we can change now anyway!

Kmac16 · 17-06-2014 3:37pm

I was happy enough with the paper, although there were some words that I was unfamiliar with in the Section.B Long Comprehension. The dialogue was grand the only word I didn't know was "scholarship". I was very happy with the listening as I was expecting it to be much more difficult!!

dory · 17-06-2014 7:50pm

Beca came up in a listening a few years back. I've noticed a few words that turn up in listening comprehensions, later find their way into the dialogue.

aleatorio · 17-06-2014 8:01pm

Anyone wanna be a doll and post up some answers..?

:pac:

nailforhammer · 17-06-2014 9:57pm

aleatorio wrote: »

Anyone wanna be a doll and post up some answers..? :pac:

Answers to which questions?

aleatorio · 17-06-2014 10:10pm

nailforhammer wrote: »

Answers to which questions?

All of them ahaha

nailforhammer · 17-06-2014 10:23pm

Dialogue:

Introduce yourself. Say that you are Irish and have just arrived in Spain. Say you are
looking for a part-time job until the first of October.
Buenos días, Me llamo _____. Soy de Irlanda y acabo de llegar a España. Estoy Buscando/ Busco un trabajo a tiempo parcial hasta el primero de octubre.

Say that you worked in a youth hostel. You had to serve breakfast and clear the tables.
Sometimes you also had to answer the phone and take messages.
Pues he trabajado en un albergue. Tenía que servir el desayuno cada mañana y quitar la mesa después. A veces tenía que responder el teléfono y tomar nota de los mensajes (coger mensajes)

Say that you have been studying Spanish for five years and find it easy. You speak English,
of course, and understand a little French.
Llevo cinco años estudiando Español y me resulta fácil. Hablo inglés, claro, y entiendo un poquito de francés

Say you can’t believe it! Work as a waiter/waitress is perfect for you. You are here on a
scholarship and have to attend class from Monday to Friday.
No lo creo - es fantastico. Trabajo como un camarero es perfecto para mí. Estoy aquí de escolaridad/beca y tengo que asistir a clase de lunes a viernes.

Say you don’t think that is a problem. Say that your friend can lend you a bicycle to get to
and from work. Thank her for the job and ask how much you would be paid if you worked
for 12 hours.
No creo que SEA un problema. Mi amigo puede darme/prestarme una bici para ir a y volver del trabajo. Muchas gracias por el trabajo. ¿Cuánto dinero ganaría si trabajara 12 horas?

nailforhammer · 17-06-2014 10:27pm

aleatorio wrote: »

All of them ahaha

So I've done the dialogue I might type more in the morning but like I can't do all of them. I'm defo not typing out an opinion piece. I could do the note/diary. And maybe some of the comprehensions

curlyclodagh · 18-06-2014 11:29am

By any chance is it possible that having an imperfect subjunctive in the same sentence as a wrongly conjugated conditional would cancel out the marks I'd lose for the wrong conditional? Really panicking about Spanish now. Normally one of my best subjects, but found yesterday's exam gut-wrenchingly difficult. In dire need of assurance!!! I can think of at least four mistakes (mainly spelling errors) I made in my opinion piece, and my content was absolutely ****e to be honest. I did the one about escaping routine, and wrote about why it's important for both physical and mental health, and then summed it up at the end with how it affected me this year in particular. Such rubbish. And how in the name of God were we meant to know the words for "cattle ranching" and "scholarship ?! Such a disappointing day overall. If you found the exam easy then good for you, but I messed it up so, so badly.

dory · 18-06-2014 6:19pm

curlyclodagh wrote: »

By any chance is it possible that having an imperfect subjunctive in the same sentence as a wrongly conjugated conditional would cancel out the marks I'd lose for the wrong conditional? Really panicking about Spanish now. Normally one of my best subjects, but found yesterday's exam gut-wrenchingly difficult. In dire need of assurance!!! I can think of at least four mistakes (mainly spelling errors) I made in my opinion piece, and my content was absolutely ****e to be honest. I did the one about escaping routine, and wrote about why it's important for both physical and mental health, and then summed it up at the end with how it affected me this year in particular. Such rubbish. And how in the name of God were we meant to know the words for "cattle ranching" and "scholarship ?! Such a disappointing day overall. If you found the exam easy then good for you, but I messed it up so, so badly.

Seems like everyone found it hard so they'll have to go very easy in the marking scheme. I wouldn't worry about it.

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