Carl Froch vs George Groves

blade1 · 01-06-2014 11:19AM

walshb wrote: »

Didn't get to see the post fight action. Did Froch and Groves speak? Make up or get on? Interviews after, what was said?

Kissed made up, best of buds,there was even a marriage proposal
All good!
Nice to see both guys compliment each other and not talking sh*t.
Froch said it was a fairly even fight, the knockout punch being the difference between the two.

willmunny1990 · 01-06-2014 12:29PM

Im not surprised Groves started slow, he needed to conserve energy for the later rounds and he also did the right thing in not engaging Froch.

The fight was very close, you could of had it level or you could of had Groves or Carl winning by a round, depending on how you were looking at it, but nobody was dominating it was very close.

Groves was coming on strong as the fight went on, he was winning the eight round until Froch tagged him, I was shocked how it ended, Froch is not known for one punch power knockouts and I didn't expect him to win like that.

Don't think Froch will fight Ward again, no point really. If he does fight DeGale I think Froch will stop him.

MD1990 · 01-06-2014 12:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Poor fight overall. Groves juts didn't seem to want to engage. He lacked a will and desire to take the fight. Content to be competitive in every rd and nothing more. Never thought one shot would win it for Froch.

Yeah the KO seems to have people saying it was a great fight. I think they forget the crowd was booing half way through as it was a poor fight.

darced · 01-06-2014 12:40PM

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Henno30 · 01-06-2014 12:43PM

Groves' weaknesses were just exposed really. Poor enough stamina and a bad defence. Froch just started bull rushing him as the fight entered the middle rounds and he couldn't handle it.

Andrew Flexing · 01-06-2014 12:49PM

Everyone talking about Froch's next move (3G or Chavez etc) but where does Groves go from here?

keeponhurling · 01-06-2014 01:11PM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

Everyone talking about Froch's next move (3G or Chavez etc) but where does Groves go from here?

Maybe back for the British title, or European title ?

Needs a bit more experience

Paully D · 01-06-2014 01:45PM

Any word on how the judges were scoring it prior to the knockout?

michael999999 · 01-06-2014 01:51PM

Paully D wrote: »

Any word on how the judges were scoring it prior to the knockout?

Two had Froch winning and one had Groves.

unknown13 · 01-06-2014 02:32PM

Jim Watt's commentary was nothing short of disgraceful last night.

risteard7 · 01-06-2014 02:45PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Maybe back for the British title, or European title ?

Needs a bit more experience

I don't think so, not British title anyway. What's the point in fighting a journeyman Paul Smith? He's proven himself already at that level.

unknown13 · 01-06-2014 02:57PM

risteard7 wrote: »

I don't think so, not British title anyway. What's the point in fighting a journeyman Paul Smith? He's proven himself already at that level.

He destroyed Paul Smith already. Knocked him out in the second.

HigginsJ · 01-06-2014 03:03PM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

Everyone talking about Froch's next move (3G or Chavez etc) but where does Groves go from here?

He signed for a new promoter before the fight last night so it will be an interesting road ahead. He won't be going back to British level for sure, maybe a fight against someone like Robert Stiegletz. His new promoter is in charge of Abraham & Kessler.

megadodge · 01-06-2014 04:11PM

pac_man wrote: »

I thought his defense was fairly solid until the KO.

As I've stated here already, there are a large number of posters on forums (fora?) now who think if a boxer doesn't have a defense as good as Mayweather's (which currently very few have, unsurprisingly), they have a "bad" of "weak" defense when, in reality, there's a whole lot of grey between the black and the white.

I agree with you, Groves doesn't have a bad defense and it was quite solid last night. The KO came when he decided to counter Froch's left hook with one of his own, but he misread the situation and couldn't avoid the followup right which because it was thrown straight landed before his hook did. It was a miscalculation, nothing to do with defense.

Talib Fiasco · 01-06-2014 04:52PM

Scorecards apparently at the stoppage:

67-66 Froch
67-66 Froch
68-65 Groves

I had it 68-65 Groves as well. There were debatable rounds though which could have gone either way though.

HigginsJ · 01-06-2014 05:08PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Scorecards apparently at the stoppage:

67-66 Froch
67-66 Froch
68-65 Groves

I had it 68-65 Groves as well. There were debatable rounds though which could have gone either way though.

I would have has it 67-66 a Froch but there were at least 3 rounds that you could make a case either way. Glad it didn't go to judges score cards

Talib Fiasco · 01-06-2014 05:16PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

I would have has it 67-66 a Froch but there were at least 3 rounds that you could make a case either way. Glad it didn't go to judges score cards

Yeah definitely...would have been very controversial whatever way the decision would have went.

blade1 · 01-06-2014 05:20PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Yeah definitely...would have been very controversial whatever way the decision would have went.

No it wouldn't because Groves would have destroyed him over the next 4 rounds...:pac:

section4 · 01-06-2014 05:55PM

blade1 wrote: »

No it wouldn't because Groves would have destroyed him over the next 4 rounds...:pac:

There was only going to be one winner once froth could land cleanly on groves and that was going to happen more and more as the rounds went on.
Groves was flailing late against degale also, to me he fragile at this level.
The whole fight from the start went wrong for him, he couldn't do what he wanted like the last time as Frisch was sharper and fitter this time and used his jab which groves did not like one bit, in fact I was surprised how easy it was for frock to control him from the start,
Having said that I watched the first fight over before the fight and from the fifth in the first fight groves was loath to engage through tiredness or whatever and could see no reason for things to be different this time unless Frisch got old overnight.

Talib Fiasco · 01-06-2014 06:04PM

I had groves down for round 7 and was winning round 8 on my card too until the punch...you never know what would have happened

St890 · 01-06-2014 06:40PM

section4 wrote: »

There was only going to be one winner once froth could land cleanly on groves and that was going to happen more and more as the rounds went on.
Groves was flailing late against degale also, to me he fragile at this level.
The whole fight from the start went wrong for him, he couldn't do what he wanted like the last time as Frisch was sharper and fitter this time and used his jab which groves did not like one bit, in fact I was surprised how easy it was for frock to control him from the start,
Having said that I watched the first fight over before the fight and from the fifth in the first fight groves was loath to engage through tiredness or whatever and could see no reason for things to be different this time unless Frisch got old overnight.

If he controlled him why did he land fewer punches and have a smaller connect ratio?

section4 · 01-06-2014 08:46PM

The number of punches landed does not always the most important factor, it's the quality, as the knockout showed.
The fact is froch was happy the way the fight progressed, his plan did not neccesarrily include landing more punches more making sure groves did not catch him as early and as often as the first fight and he achieved that, knowing that as the fight progressed he would corner groves
Who could not trade with froch
As he said after the fight, he had a plan and it worked perfectly.
Groves really did very little and only engaged later because frock started to rush him into exchanges which torch knew he would win.
Groves said he would stop him in three with a left hook, if he controlled the fight this should have happened.

Solar Flare · 02-06-2014 07:23AM

section4 wrote: »

The number of punches landed does not always the most important factor, it's the quality, as the knockout showed.
The fact is froch was happy the way the fight progressed, his plan did not neccesarrily include landing more punches more making sure groves did not catch him as early and as often as the first fight and he achieved that, knowing that as the fight progressed he would corner groves
Who could not trade with froch
As he said after the fight, he had a plan and it worked perfectly.
Groves really did very little and only engaged later because frock started to rush him into exchanges which torch knew he would win.
Groves said he would stop him in three with a left hook, if he controlled the fight this should have happened.

Groves hit Froch with the much better punches, until the knockout anyway. Did you not see round 7, Groves hit Froch with a few strong left hooks and staggered Froch. Groves wad the one doing the damage and it looked to be getting worse for Froch as the fight wore on. You just have to look at Froch's face compared to Groves after the fight.

walshb · 02-06-2014 11:09AM

I saw no real improvement in either fighter. Froch was still his awkward plodding self. George this time was just not near as intense. He went the complete opposite. And he paid for it.

FTA69 · 02-06-2014 12:59PM

This was my card anyway;

G G F G F F G

Basically, had Groves 4-3 going into the eighth.

I still stand by my sentiment that people saying Froch was "dominating" the fight haven't a clue. The rounds were close and lacked intensity but in my view Groves outlanded Froch with less punches being thrown by him. Froch rushed him a few times but little or nothing came of it. It certainly isn't the type of stuff I'd expect from a "dominant" performance.

Also, as usual, the Sky commentators were talking out of their hoop. Wyatt is shocking like. Total nonsense from start to finish. If it wasn't the fact it was my buddy's gaff I'd have turned the sound off.

Howshocowpownw · 02-06-2014 04:14PM

Have to say I thought Sky commentary was awful the other night. Even post fight, Glen McCrory "Froch bossed the first round" Ridiculous.

marbless · 02-06-2014 05:04PM

I listened to radio commentary on BBC 5-live. Steve Bunce said Groves had been slowing down in the three rounds before the KO.

willmunny1990 · 02-06-2014 05:12PM

walshb wrote: »

I saw no real improvement in either fighter. Froch was still his awkward plodding self. George this time was just not near as intense. He went the complete opposite. And he paid for it.

Being too intense cost him the first time, he got too tired later on.

I thought he was coming into it more later on, he was doing very well in the eight and was looking strong until he got caught.

Talib Fiasco · 02-06-2014 05:28PM

marbless wrote: »

I listened to radio commentary on BBC 5-live. Steve Bunce said Groves had been slowing down in the three rounds before the KO.

Yet Groves was very active in round 7, winning it easily and even was doing very well in round 8 before that punch.

wadacrack · 02-06-2014 06:48PM

Looked like Groves was in a good position to win the fight on points. Then bang a right hand finished the fight

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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