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Carl Froch vs George Groves

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    #1652
    T-K-O
    Registered Users Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Tobyglen wrote: »
    Rubbish, A typical Sky Sports lovechild.

    Wasn't Eubank the original sky love child. Didn't Chris get a lot of close decisions back in the day. Chris was a UD specialist, he aint smashing Carl Froch.

    You're telling me Collins or Benn would smash Froch - seriously?

    As much as I love Calzaghe, for the most part he outworked guys (TKO) but in your world he smashes a world renowned granite chin.

    You Sir, haven't a clue.


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    #1653
    T-K-O
    Registered Users Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Tobyglen wrote: »
    I think I'm okay, I'd be a tad more embarrassed about someone using acronyms like O.M.G.

    Too easy


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    #1654
    Tobyglen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Tobyglen


    T-K-O wrote: »
    Wasn't Eubank the original sky love child. Didn't Chris get a lot of close decisions back in the day. Chris was a UD specialist, he aint smashing Carl Froch.

    You're telling me Collins or Benn would smash Froch - seriously?

    As much as I love Calzaghe, for the most part he outworked guys (TKO) but in your world he smashes a world renowned granite chin.

    You Sir, haven't a clue.
    Simpleton. Sky Sports loves your money.


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    #1655
    T-K-O
    Registered Users Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Tobyglen wrote: »
    Simpleton. Sky Sports loves your money.

    Just as I thought, incapable.

    Lets put it to the test.

    1. Argue against any of the points I made
    2. Get any regular on here to agree with you.

    What makes it even better, everything you say reeks of someone caught up in a marketing / hype bubble.


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    #1656
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    Tobyglen wrote: »
    Simpleton. Sky Sports loves your money.

    Keep the name calling, personal **** to yourself please. You can surely back your own points without it.


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    #1657
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    It seems the negotiations are under way anyway with Arum coming out saying
    'Gennady Golovkin will continue to be the first choice assuming he beats [Daniel] Geale, and if Chavez says no to Golovkin, then we'll look to Froch,' said Arum.

    Golovkins trainer has also given a soundbite regarding Froch as an opponent
    'Froch is a gallant warrior, but makes too mistakes and if the fight can be made, I see Golovkin capitalising on them to stop him in the last part of the fight.'

    For what its worth I agree with him, I think Golovkin will be more then capable of capitalising on the (many) mistakes Froch makes

    We will know soon enough I suppose whatever is going to happen, after the summer I guess, since the IBF have ruled he must fight DeGale within 9 months or vacate, I think he would like to go out with the belt personally rather then vacate


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    #1658
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,595 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    Joe hadn't faced half as many tough opponents as Froch has. The two biggest names were well into their 40's by the time he faced them, and well beyond their prime.

    Froch's two biggest names were Kessler and Ward. And he lost to both. Joe met and bet a PRIME Kessler. Apart from Ward, who beat Froch, the names on his ledger are not somehow clearly superior to Joe's ledger. Abraham/Dirrell/Taylor? Big deal.

    As for Hop and Jones. Jones was LHW and above when Joe was at his peak. HOP was busy feasting on blown up WWs.


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    #1659
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,595 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Style wise I see only Toney/Jones and Calzaghe as being obvious winners. More so Toney who would stand right in the pocket and beat Froch up. Jones' feet and hands and movement would win a clear decision. Calzaghe has too much volume. Eubank would struggle, and Froch's range and height and overall strength and chin could get him a win. Collins loses and Ben loses.


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    #1660
    Tiriel
    Registered Users Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭Tiriel


    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    Keep the name calling, personal **** to yourself please. You can surely back your own points without it.
    T-K-O wrote: »
    Just as I thought, incapable.

    Lets put it to the test.

    1. Argue against any of the points I made
    2. Get any regular on here to agree with you.

    What makes it even better, everything you say reeks of someone caught up in a marketing / hype bubble.
    Tobyglen wrote: »
    Simpleton. Sky Sports loves your money.

    Quit it guys. No need for it. Move on or leave the thread.


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    #1661
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    walshb wrote: »
    Froch's two biggest names were Kessler and Ward. And he lost to both. Joe met and bet a PRIME Kessler. Apart from Ward, who beat Froch, the names on his ledger are not somehow clearly superior to Joe's ledger. Abraham/Dirrell/Taylor? Big deal.

    As for Hop and Jones. Jones was LHW and above when Joe was at his peak. HOP was busy feasting on blown up WWs.

    Joe definitely could have faced Jones at SMW, but wouldn't leave the comfort of his own home. I like him, but he hasn't been tested anywhere near as often as Froch has


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    #1662
    supersean1999
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    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    Joe definitely could have faced Jones at SMW, but wouldn't leave the comfort of his own home. I like him, but he hasn't been tested anywhere near as often as Froch has

    You think so do you. Had jones not left the smw division before joe even became would champ.


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    #1663
    Spazdarn
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    supersean1999 wrote: »
    You think so do you. Had jones not left the smw division before joe even became would champ.

    He was at 175 around 1998 I reckon. There was talk of the two of them fighting each other, but as far as I know it never materialised because Jones said there wasn't enough money in it and Calzaghe wouldn't go to America


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    #1664
    supersean1999
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    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    He was at 175 around 1998 I reckon. There was talk of the two of them fighting each other, but as far as I know it never materialised because Jones said there wasn't enough money in it and Calzaghe wouldn't go to America

    Thats not what you said. His last fight in smw if i rem was 96 calzaghe won his belt in sept/ oct 97. I watched it in spain. Skinny. Single and drunk


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    #1665
    megadodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,289 ✭✭✭megadodge


    supersean1999 wrote: »
    Thats not what you said. His last fight in smw if i rem was 96 calzaghe won his belt in sept/ oct 97. I watched it in spain. Skinny. Single and drunk

    Correct.

    Jones was already at lightheavy one year before Joe even won the supermiddle belt.


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    #1666
    walshb
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    Personally I think Calzaghe had the perfect blend of speed/stamina and ring IQ to pose any SMW version of Jones problems. Big enough and rough enough to boot!


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    #1667
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    I know Jones was renowned for fighting lesser opponents around then but still think he's got too much speed, skill for Joe.

    Still think Froch has fought far tougher opponents, despite not being as skilled a boxer as Joe


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    #1668
    Andrew Flexing
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    walshb wrote: »
    Personally I think Calzaghe had the perfect blend of speed/stamina and ring IQ to pose any SMW version of Jones problems. Big enough and rough enough to boot!

    I always thought a prime RJJ beats a prime JC any day.

    my URBAN EXPLORATION YouTube channel: https://www.facebook.com/ASMRurbanexploration/



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    #1669
    efb
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    Froch doing reality gymnastics show on BBC1 now. Great strength not so much grace and poise


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    #1670
    Andrew Flexing
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    pac_man wrote: »
    I guess posing problems and winning are two separate things. Not sure I agree with ring IQ or speed but Joe had the best stamina in the business. Im probably slightly biased as I wasn't a huge fan of Calzaghe( relatively carefully managed career) and Jones is one of all time favorite fighters.

    I think a very much past it RJJ put Joe on his back side. I can only imagine what a prime RJJ would have done, I think Joe would have lost his precious "0" on his record.

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    #1671
    walshb
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    Andrew Flexing wrote: »
    I think a very much past it RJJ put Joe on his back side. I can only imagine what a prime RJJ would have done, I think Joe would have lost his precious "0" on his record.

    That was one single piece of success that Jones had in 36 minutes. Horribly one sided bore-fest. I still still think that Calzaghe at his best at 168 lbs has the perfect blend of everything to pose any SMW problems. Barring a KO win for Jones, which is possible, he will be made earn this win against a big rough and tough and busy and versatile boxer/fighter. A Calzaghe points win would not surprise me.


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