Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

buckfasterer · 30-05-2014 10:33AM

On the front of the star this morning that Stokes could get up to 5 year for the assault on the Elvis impersonator. Imagine Celtic could start the season without their two main strikers. Not very likely but still a possibility.

Francie Barrett · 30-05-2014 10:57AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What about the players who played under Keane that said he was a great manager, you just picked 2 players who obvs didnt/dont get on with Keane

Clive Clarke was another player who questioned Keane...

Who has come out and praised him?

Dempsey · 30-05-2014 10:58AM

RoryMac wrote: »

A bit of good news, Izzy and Lustig have signed new 3 year deals. Delighted to see them sign on especially Lustig who I think is a class player

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27634547

Izzy looked back to near his best since breaking his ankle. Very hard to find better for the money he's cost the club

Lustig had a bad 6 months but cutting his hair and a proper preseason saw him go from strength to strength until his double hip operation. Looked decent since his return too.

Both want to stay too so its a no brainer that they get new deals. Abit strange that they are only 3 year ones. Looks like they'll move for their peak years

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 11:58AM

PauloMN wrote: »

Let me ask you this - do you think Roy Keane will be happy to stay managing Celtic for very long?

I don't know, I thought Lennon would've stayed for another year or two, well I was hoping he would. I think if Keane took over and did well in Europe in particular he'd go to the EPL in 2 or 3 seasons time if he got offers. I think that would probably be the case with any manger Celtic appoint right now.

PauloMN wrote: »

Can you not see him getting completely bored of Scottish football, and the lack of a challenge, especially at the moment with no Rangers, no Hearts, no Hibs etc. in the league?

I just don't see him being happy sitting at the sidelines of Dens Park etc....

He might do. Are saying because he might get bored Celtic should appoint a more boring candidate like Mackay or Coyle?

CL is the important thing and doing reasonably well in it once we get there so that we are still in the CL or the Europa League post Christmas.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 12:07PM

RoryMac wrote: »

He was asked what made Keane an ideal candidate, being an ex-player, a good guy and a supporter does not make you an ideal candidate to be manager

He was doorstepped and asked about something that had been leaked out by The Examiner. He responded to that by saying as little as possible, which is what MON did. All that means is that a deal has not been finalised yet with Keane or anyone else.

Lord Trollington · 30-05-2014 12:09PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Let me ask you this - do you think Roy Keane will be happy to stay managing Celtic for very long? Can you not see him getting completely bored of Scottish football, and the lack of a challenge, especially at the moment with no Rangers, no Hearts, no Hibs etc. in the league?

I just don't see him being happy sitting at the sidelines of Dens Park etc....

Name a manger for me who you'd be confident would stay at Celtic for 3/4 seasons?

Because I can't think of any.

Dempsey · 30-05-2014 12:57PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Name a manger for me who you'd be confident would stay at Celtic for 3/4 seasons?

Because I can't think of any.

Jackie McNamara, Johan Mjallby, Owen Coyle would all easily stay 3+ years if they had success to carry them that far.

Lord Trollington · 30-05-2014 02:19PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Jackie McNamara, Johan Mjallby, Owen Coyle would all easily stay 3+ years if they had success to carry them that far.

Possibly. Although Mjallby has already done 4 years and annouced he was leaving before Lennon did. Can't imagine he'd do one year let alone 4.

I fail to see how or why any of the above would be a better choice to Keane. But I'm sure you'll set me straight.

Dempsey · 30-05-2014 02:24PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Possibly. Although Mjallby has already done 4 years and annouced he was leaving before Lennon did. Can't imagine he'd do one year let alone 4.

I fail to see how or why any of the above would be a better choice to Keane. But I'm sure you'll set me straight.

Mjallby left because he wants to manage. No better place to start than with a squad and club he knows inside out.

You asked who'd stay in the job 3+ years, those would and more.

I'd have Mjallby or McNamara over Keane in a heartbeat. Far better suited for the job

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 02:49PM

Dempsey wrote: »

And that's the reason he shouldn't get it. We need a manager with a track record in developing players. He doesnt.

Ideally you're looking for someone who can do both. Who can develop players and who has a strong enough personality to persuade the board and Dermot Desmond to part with a bit of extra cash for building and maintaining a team.

Of the other candidates who has a great track record of developing players? Laudrup? maybe but doubt we'll get him anyway. McNamara has young players at Dundee United, they finished 4th and lost the Cup Final to St Johnstone - not much to write home about there. Keane would be a better appointment than McNamara.

I think if Johan Mjalby was getting the job, he wouldn't have resigned and they would've just given him it without all this speculation about Keane and others.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 03:12PM

I really can't see any manager coming in and persuading the board to up their spending, if the board were even considering that Lennon would still be in charge.

The new manager will come in under the same restrictions as all of our recent managers since MON's first season in charge

LiamoSail · 30-05-2014 03:21PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Mjallby left because he wants to manage. No better place to start than with a squad and club he knows inside out.

You asked who'd stay in the job 3+ years, those would and more.

I'd have Mjallby or McNamara over Keane in a heartbeat. Far better suited for the job

Honestly I'd prefer McNamara to Lennon. Both will win the league, McNamara may do so while giving young players an opportunity though.

Lennon had one good season in Europe out of four. While I think McNamara still has a lot to learn, I don't see any reason he wouldn't be able to at least match that

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 03:23PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I really can't see any manager coming in and persuading the board to up their spending, if the board were even considering that Lennon would still be in charge.

The new manager will come in under the same restrictions as all of our recent managers since MON's first season in charge

I think the spending can be upped a bit. I'm not talking about throwing away the wage structure, I'm talking about maybe upping the spending that bit extra to get certain deals over the line. If it's the case that the board remain completely inflexibe in that regard, it wont be Roy Keane, it will be someone like Coyle, MacKay, MacNamara.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 04:02PM

Lennonist wrote: »

I think the spending can be upped a bit. I'm not talking about throwing away the wage structure, I'm talking about maybe upping the spending that bit extra to get certain deals over the line.

I agree the spending could be upped a bit but I can't see the board doing that. Also going by Keane's previous I see him spending small sums on a lot of players rather than making a few quality signings

Lennonist wrote: »

If it's the case that the board remain completely inflexibe in that regard, it wont be Roy Keane, it will be someone like Coyle, MacKay, MacNamara.

You make it sound like a failure if we get MacKay or Coyle when in fact they would both be a better fit than Keane

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 04:15PM

RoryMac wrote: »

I agree the spending could be upped a bit but I can't see the board doing that. Also going by Keane's previous I see him spending small sums on a lot of players rather than making a few quality signings

I'd imagine when they are talking to him they will ask him if he has learned from his previous jobs and that this job will make or break him as a manager.

RoryMac wrote: »

You make it sound like a failure if we get MacKay or Coyle when in fact they would both be a better fit than Keane

I disagree. If Keane accepts the position he'll fit the position.

Keane might turn us down 'cos he will get offers in the future from the EPL and Championship sides, especially if Ireland do resonably well and qualify for the next Euros.

Coyle will take the job 'cos he'll never get another job anything near as big, he turned us down a few years back when he thought he had better options, which he doesn't have now.

MacKay might have options, he was supposed to be linked with Norwich, but he didn't get it.

Jackie Mac would definitely take the job if he was offered it, they wouldn't have to ask twice.

If Keane gets it, he'd bring a bit of optimism and the board might push the boat out a bit.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 04:26PM

Lennonist wrote: »

I'd imagine when they are talking to him they will ask him if he has learned from his previous jobs and that this job will make or break him as a manager.

I disagree. If Keane accepts the position he'll fit the position.

Keane might turn us down 'cos he will get offers in the future from the EPL and Championship sides, especially if Ireland do resonably well and qualify for the next Euros.

Coyle will take the job 'cos he'll never get another job anything near as big, he turned us down a few years back when he thought he had better options, which he doesn't have now.

MacKay might have options, he was supposed to be linked with Norwich, but he didn't get it.

Jackie Mac would definitely take the job if he was offered it, they wouldn't have to ask twice.

If Keane gets it, he'd bring a bit of optimism and the board might push the boat out a bit.

Keane was on the football scrapheap before the Ireland job with the only realistic options lower Championship clubs or teams in the lower league. He has spent the last 3 years playing the pantomine villain on ITV.

I don't see how being assistant to MON for a couple of months and zero competitive games changes his poor record as manager or improves his bargaining position.

His role as assistant to MON has been a PR masterclass as without doing a thing he is back in the frame for jobs which he really has no right to be considered for.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 04:38PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Keane was on the football scrapheap before the Ireland job with the only realistic options lower Championship clubs or teams in the lower league. He has spent the last 3 years playing the pantomine villain on ITV.

I don't see how being assistant to MON for a couple of months and zero competitive games changes his poor record as manager or improves his bargaining position.

His role as assistant to MON has been a PR masterclass as without doing a thing he is back in the frame for jobs which he really has no right to be considered for.

That's nonsense. Either he's being considered for jobs or he's not.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 04:56PM

Lennonist wrote: »

That's nonsense. Either he's being considered for jobs or he's not.

He was sacked by Ipswich 3 years ago and ended up taking an assistant role in international football, that doesn't suggest he was receiving many offers.

If his name was anything but Roy Keane I don't think we'd be discussing this, his managerial record does nothing to suggest he is the right man for the job

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 05:30PM

RoryMac wrote: »

He was sacked by Ipswich 3 years ago and ended up taking an assistant role in international football, that doesn't suggest he was receiving many offers.

If his name was anything but Roy Keane I don't think we'd be discussing this, his managerial record does nothing to suggest he is the right man for the job

You say he was on the football scrapheap before he got the Ireland assistant job, sure you can say that about some of the other candidates. At least Keane is in a job, Coyle and MacKay are not employed in the game at all right now. Unless some great candidate appears from leftfield somehow, he's the right man for the Celtic job.

5ForKeeps · 30-05-2014 05:32PM

If Celtic are smart they would look long term and not short term. Jackie McNamara all day long should be the next Celtic manager not Roy Keane.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 05:34PM

5ForKeeps wrote: »

If Celtic are smart they would look long term and not short term. Jackie McNamara all day long should be the next Celtic manager not Roy Keane.

If it's a contest between Jackie Mac and Roy Keane it should be Keane, no question about it.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 05:39PM

Lennonist wrote: »

You say he was on the football scrapheap before he got the Ireland assistant job, sure you can say that about some of the other candidates. At least Keane is in a job, Coyle and MacKay are not employed in the game at all right now. Unless some great candidate appears from leftfield somehow, he's the right man for the Celtic job.

Bit harsh to suggest MacKay is on the scrapheap, he only settled with Cardiff about a month ago!

Like it or not Keane has failed in the 2 jobs he has had and left both clubs after losing the dressing rooms, he is exactly the type of manager we don't need.

What are the qualities you think Keane will actually bring to the job?

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 05:51PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Bit harsh to suggest MacKay is on the scrapheap, he only settled with Cardiff about a month ago!

Like it or not Keane has failed in the 2 jobs he has had and left both clubs after losing the dressing rooms, he is exactly the type of manager we don't need.

You're wrong. We need someone to shake things up a bit, things have gone stale at Parkhead.

RoryMac wrote: »

What are the qualities you think Keane will actually bring to the job?

I think he is determined, focused, has will to win. I think he may have learned from his previous managerial experience. I think he will attract media attention which will be good for raising finance. I don't think he'll last very long whether he's successful or not, probably 2 or 3 years, but I think it'd be entertaining watching it. Football is supposed to be about entertainment as well. If he gets the job he'll be judged on his success or not in getting results in Europe. He's the outstanding candidate of the names that have been linked so far.

Dempsey · 30-05-2014 05:52PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Ideally you're looking for someone who can do both. Who can develop players and who has a strong enough personality to persuade the board and Dermot Desmond to part with a bit of extra cash for building and maintaining a team.

Of the other candidates who has a great track record of developing players? Laudrup? maybe but doubt we'll get him anyway. McNamara has young players at Dundee United, they finished 4th and lost the Cup Final to St Johnstone - not much to write home about there. Keane would be a better appointment than McNamara.

I think if Johan Mjalby was getting the job, he wouldn't have resigned and they would've just given him it without all this speculation about Keane and others.

The budget isnt going to change for any manager let alone Roy Keane so you can give that idea a rest.

McNamara should be getting credit for getting a bunch of kids to the SC final. That and his work at Partick Thistle has shown alot of potential, much like Lennon did. Certainly should be getting far more kudos than anything Roy Keane has done in the last 5 years.

Mjallby decided to leave for pastures new when Lennon was still telling players that he'd be at Celtic next season. So that theory is a bust also

5ForKeeps · 30-05-2014 05:53PM

Lennonist wrote: »

If it's a contest between Jackie Mac and Roy Keane it should be Keane, no question about it.

What exactly has Keane done in management to warrant such a big job. Playing for the club for six months and his roles at Ipswich and Sunderland should be questioned as his temperament is not something he is able to control plus he wasn't bankrolled by Ellis Short at Ipswich.

Jackie deserves a chance with the decent job he has done at Dundee United but not my club I support but if anyone knows Celtic inside out its Jackie more so than Keane.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 05:59PM

Dempsey wrote: »

The budget isnt going to change for any manager let alone Roy Keane so you can give that idea a rest.

How do you know. If they're not going to change the budget a bit, then it wont be Keane that will get the job as I said. It'll be someone like Jackie Mac or Coyle.

Dempsey wrote: »

McNamara should be getting credit for getting a bunch of kids to the SC final. That and his work at Partick Thistle has shown alot of potential, much like Lennon did. Certainly should be getting far more kudos than anything Roy Keane has done in the last 5 years.

Wrong. McNamara deserves some respect but he doesn't have the experience that Keane has. Keane has manged in the EPL and has experienced first hand a higher level of pressure than Jackie Mac has in a manger job to date.

Dempsey wrote: »

Mjallby decided to leave for pastures new when Lennon was still telling players that he'd be at Celtic next season. So that theory is a bust also

Wrong again. Don't you think that maybe Mjalby knew that Lennon was leaving and decided to leave himself because he probably didn't fancy his chances of getting the job.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 06:08PM

Lennonist wrote: »

You're wrong. We need someone to shake things up a bit, things have gone stale at Parkhead.

That's ridiculous, we need a manager that can build a close squad, bring through youth players and supplement that with a couple of signings. We need stability not a chaos

Lennonist wrote: »

I think he is determined, focused, has will to win. I think he may have learned from his previous managerial experience. I think he will attract media attention which will be good for raising finance. I don't think he'll last very long whether he's successful or not, probably 2 or 3 years, but I think it'd be entertaining watching it. Football is supposed to be about entertainment as well. If he gets the job he'll be judged on his success or not in getting results in Europe. He's the outstanding candidate of the names that have been linked so far.

He certainly has those qualities but fails to bring out those qualities in his teams, the media attention he brings will be mixed as he inevitably puts his foot in it with stupid attention seeking comments.

There nothing whatsoever to suggest he has matured as a manager just some positive PR created not coincidentally off the back of him being out of the spot light

He's a failed manager who is being linked purely on his name and IMO will set the club back rather than move it forward

EDIT - The financial benifits created by a couple of reporters coming to press conferences in the hope of a Roy Keane soundbite pales in terms of the money available if we hire someone capable of doing the job and getting us to the Champions League

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 06:15PM

RoryMac wrote: »

That's ridiculous, we need a manager that can build a close squad, bring through youth players and supplement that with a couple of signings. We need stability not a chaos

Ah now. If you're going to just deliberately pick me up wrong then there's not much point in debating with ya. I didn't say we need chaos, we need what you outlined above and we need to shake things up a bit.

RoryMac wrote: »

He certainly has those qualities but fails to bring out those qualities in his teams, the media attention he brings will be mixed as he inevitably puts his foot in it with stupid attention seeking comments.

There nothing whatsoever to suggest he has matured as a manager just some positive PR created not coincidentally off the back of him being out of the spot light

He's a failed manager who is being linked purely on his name and IMO will set the club back rather than move it forward

I disagree. If he is appointed it would be a bit of a gamble - appointing any new manager has a bit of gamble attached - but I think he would move the club forward.

Anyway, we'll find out soon who gets the job.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 06:24PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Ah now. If you're going to just deliberately pick me up wrong then there's not much point in debating with ya. I didn't say we need chaos, we need what you outlined above and we need to shake things up a bit.

I didn't pick you up wrong just added to it!

Lennonist wrote: »

I disagree. If he is appointed it would be a bit of a gamble - appointing any new manager has a bit of gamble attached - but I think he would move the club forward.

Anyway, we'll find out soon who gets the job.

True, as you said if he gets it there'll be plenty of entertainment.

Dempsey · 30-05-2014 09:15PM

Lennonist wrote: »

How do you know. If they're not going to change the budget a bit, then it wont be Keane that will get the job as I said. It'll be someone like Jackie Mac or Coyle.

Wrong. McNamara deserves some respect but he doesn't have the experience that Keane has. Keane has manged in the EPL and has experienced first hand a higher level of pressure than Jackie Mac has in a manger job to date.

Wrong again. Don't you think that maybe Mjalby knew that Lennon was leaving and decided to leave himself because he probably didn't fancy his chances of getting the job.

How do I know? If Lennon couldnt get it despite getting last 16 UCL, Keane has no hope whilst we have 3 qualifiers and 3 of the biggest gates in Scotland outside the Premiership. The maths of the situation are very simple. There has been nothing to suggest otherwise.

McNamara has enough experience to handle the Celtic job, certainly better track record of improving clubs & developing players. When was the last time Keane managed an EPL team? 6 years ago, he's been dining out on that short lived stint for a good while now

Im not wrong, comments from players say that he was focussed on next season up until the meeting with Lawwell. You have no comments to back up your claims

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