Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Dempsey

cardwizzard wrote: »

The board certainly like their 12 month rolling contracts.

Lawwell's man here no doubt about that. Interesting read on cqn yesterday about it. I agree that alot hinges on CL qualifiers, but got to give him a fair crack of the whip. Reading a bit the last few days about him, seems to have done a great job in Norway. 4-3-3, high pressing style, be interesting to see how it transfers to us.

The club seem to be learning from mistakes though

MON era ended managers doing contract negotiations.

The rolling contract worked well with GS and then going back to fixed contract was a disaster with Mowbray and his team. Rolling contract became the tried and trusted method from there.

People be complaining more if they didn't learn from mistakes!

cardwizzard

Dempsey wrote: »

The club seem to be learning from mistakes though

MON era ended managers doing contract negotiations.

The rolling contract worked well with GS and then going back to fixed contract was a disaster with Mowbray and his team. Rolling contract became the tried and trusted method from there.

People be complaining more if they didn't learn from mistakes!

If you like it fair enough.I get why they do it but don't agree with it. It's hardly backing your man now is it? Then again we saw that with NL

Is it wrong to have an opinion??

No doubt about it the board have being driving me crazy the last few years. Holding the purse strings tight. Cashing in on players and not offering contracts etc etc. Alot of Bhoys feel the same way.

Live press conference on skysports now.

mikeym

I don't know anything about him other than what I've looked up on Google”
John Hartson.
Former Celtic striker.


I never heard of him either.

Lennonist

PauloMN wrote: »

While it will be a job for him to get onside with the fans, the fact that little/nothing is known about him is refreshing also and he starts with a clean slate. I'm certainly happier with a fresh, young manager than Owen Coyle for example.

Welcome to Paradise, Ronny!

Thought there might be a definitive director of football appointment along with him, he worked with Jostein Flo as a director of football in his last job.

Dempsey

cardwizzard wrote: »

If you like it fair enough.I get why they do it but don't agree with it. It's hardly backing your man now is it? Then again we saw that with NL

Is it wrong to have an opinion??

No doubt about it the board have being driving me crazy the last few years. Holding the purse strings tight. Cashing in on players and not offering contracts etc etc. Alot of Bhoys feel the same way.

Live press conference on skysports now.

Didn't say whether I liked it or not, just said what is happening and why. I like the idea that Celtic are learning from past mistakes.

cardwizzard

Dempsey wrote: »

Didn't say whether I liked it or not, just said what is happening and why. I like the idea that Celtic are learning from past mistakes.

And what exactly have they learnt from the NL debacle?

12 month rolling contracts, are a double edged sword.

Anyway getting bogged down with this, new dawn for the club and I'm behind Ronny.

Always amazes me how well Scandinavian people speak English. Should be good craic to hear him in a few months time.

Dempsey

cardwizzard wrote: »

And what exactly have they learnt from the NL debacle?

12 month rolling contracts, are a double edged sword.

Anyway getting bogged down with this, new dawn for the club and I'm behind Ronny.

Always amazes me how well Scandinavian people speak English. Should be good craic to hear him in a few months time.

Contracts in general are a double edged sword.

As regarding the Lennon debacle, they learned that ambitious and successful managers seem to have max shelf life of around 4 years, no matter their success, rapport with fans or affinity for the club.

tapfit2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3y0iNsjU7M

Most of the press conference is here. Two people rang me while I was recording it!

Francie Barrett

Forster out for a player who hasn't had a club in 2 year?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27725827

RoryMac

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Forster out for a player who hasn't had a club in 2 year?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27725827

I think Gordon is worth a punt, very good keeper before the injuries. If he can stay fit(big if) he Could easily be a decent replacement for Forster.

Bob the Seducer

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Forster out for a player who hasn't had a club in 2 year?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27725827

If it happens, I'd call Gordon a safety signing more than anything else.

He was fairly well regarded going in to the Sunderland move and Scotland's No.1 for a block of years after that but injury issues and two years out of the game means his bargaining position isn't particularly strong right now.

Celtic would be the biggest possible move he could make at the moment and being a backup/squad rotation keeper might suit him as he tries to get back up to speed. If Forster ends up being sold in the summer then he's a big enough name to go on the team sheet while Celtic look for another younger goalkeeper to add to the squad.

Dempsey

Its madness to think any club would sign Gordon with a view to being no.1 from the off. At the moment he can only be competition for zaluska and a general assessment to how he reacts to full training. In time, maintaining fitness, he could push Forster out and I think that's what the club are going for. Although the idea of Forster moving on after the wc is a strong possibility unfortunately.

Eirebear

So who's making the signings at Parkhead is this is happening with Gordon so soon after the new manager comes in.
I can only assume that Lawwell is not only keeping the purse strings tight, but also has a strict control on who comes in.
Has this been policy for a while?

Gordon is/was a cracking keeper but you'd certainly want to have another quality keeper on the books given his injury issues. On Forster - the guy's value is at peak level now, in the england squad for a world cup while playing in Scotland is no mean feat. I have no doubt that Celtic will want to cash in on that.

Dempsey

Eirebear wrote: »

So who's making the signings at Parkhead is this is happening with Gordon so soon after the new manager comes in.
I can only assume that Lawwell is not only keeping the purse strings tight, but also has a strict control on who comes in.
Has this been policy for a while?

Gordon is/was a cracking keeper but you'd certainly want to have another quality keeper on the books given his injury issues. On Forster - the guy's value is at peak level now, in the england squad for a world cup while playing in Scotland is no mean feat. I have no doubt that Celtic will want to cash in on that.

John Park is feeding Lawwell information from the scouts. Do you think Tony Mowbray signed Ki Sung Yueng?

Its been like this since Strachan, I remember a story where Lawwell was signing a player and Strachan got wind of it whilst on holiday and he had to ring him and convince him to end the clubs interest.

eire4

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Forster out for a player who hasn't had a club in 2 year?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27725827

Certainly given his current contract situation there is no need for Celtic to sell Forster this summer. Pesonally I am still hopeful Forster will be a Celtic player next season. Hooper left last season and Forster stayed. I think it is fair to say both in terms of their club and country careers who that worked out for better.

CSF

eire4 wrote: »

Certainly given his current contract situation there is no need for Celtic to sell Forster this summer. Pesonally I am still hopeful Forster will be a Celtic player next season. Hooper left last season and Forster stayed. I think it is fair to say both in terms of their club and country careers who that worked out for better.

Hooper was never going to have an international career with England to be fair, no matter what he did. Just isn't good enough.

Dempsey

Many claimed that about Forster too. Until he got a call up and has never looked back

Hooper was in line for an England call-up at Celtic. He was ruled out through injury so he was closer than you think.

His career took a nose dive at Norwich, should have stayed with Celtic for the world cup year. Greed got the better of him and his agent.

eire4

Is Gary Hooper in the same class as Rooney or Sturridge no. But to be fair this time 12 months ago as a Celtic player Hooper was very close to an England call up. Now a year on and a massive mistake in leaving Celtic for Norwich he is a million miles away from being called up.

bobbysands81

Hooper may have been close to an England cap a season or so back but he's not a top class striker.

He's nowhere near the level of the likes of Sturridge and Rooney, but he's easily good enough to be knocking them in for a mid-level EPL side.

The move to Norwich didn't quite work out the way he would gave hoped.

EDIT - just read Éire4's post above and completely agree with what he's saying.

PauloMN

eire4 wrote: »

Is Gary Hooper in the same class as Rooney or Sturridge no. But to be fair this time 12 months ago as a Celtic player Hooper was very close to an England call up. Now a year on and a massive mistake in leaving Celtic for Norwich he is a million miles away from being called up.

Let's hope VVD has looked at the Hooper situation and thought "think I'll stay put for a while".

LiamoSail

PauloMN wrote: »

Let's hope VVD has looked at the Hooper situation and thought "think I'll stay put for a while".

Hooper's move to Norwicj was unlikely to get him in the England squad. I'd be of the opinion that Hooper saw that Norwich was the best he could aim for post-Celtic, if anyone bigger was interested they'd have come in for him by the time he left. He probably viewed Norwich as a shop window,not get himself a move to a bigger English club and into the England squad

eire4

PauloMN wrote: »

Let's hope VVD has looked at the Hooper situation and thought "think I'll stay put for a while".

Hopefully not just Van Dijk but Forster also. Unless a player is leaving Celtic to go to one of the super rich elite that can challenge at the top end of the epl then everything in the epl is a massive step down from Celtic with the exception of wages.

blahfckingblah

jesus lads that new away kit is horrendous

RoryMac

eire4 wrote: »

Hopefully not just Van Dijk but Forster also. Unless a player is leaving Celtic to go to one of the super rich elite that can challenge at the top end of the epl then everything in the epl is a massive step down from Celtic with the exception of wages.

As much as I'd like that to be true its not anymore IMO.

The current situation in the SPL means the league is a formality before it even starts our biggest games of the season are in July & August and once Xmas has passed our players are counting the weeks until the summer break.

The game in Scotland is in a shocking state at present and I can fully understand why someone like Forster would feel he has done his time at Celtic and look to move even to a side with a smaller stature than Celtic

eire4

RoryMac wrote: »

As much as I'd like that to be true its not anymore IMO.

The current situation in the SPL means the league is a formality before it even starts our biggest games of the season are in July & August and once Xmas has passed our players are counting the weeks until the summer break.

The game in Scotland is in a shocking state at present and I can fully understand why someone like Forster would feel he has done his time at Celtic and look to move even to a side with a smaller stature than Celtic

I guess I did not make myself clear. My post has nothing to do with the league it is about Celtic as a club and I stand by what I say unless a player is going to a legit challenger in the epl any move down south is a step down from Celtic.

RoryMac

eire4 wrote: »

I guess I did not make myself clear. My post has nothing to do with the league it is about Celtic as a club and I stand by what I say unless a player is going to a legit challenger in the epl any move down south is a step down from Celtic.

I don't see how you can ignore the issues in the league when discussing Celtic's stature and ability to hold onto players or appeal when signing players.

You don't need to convince me that Celtic are a massive club but I think Celtic have a battle on their hands to hold onto any decent players for more than a couple of years due to the standard of football and the lack of competition.

Moving to a mid-table or lower end of the EPL club may be a step down in terms of size of the club but in terms of exposure, finances, ability to attract a move to a top team it is a definite step up so it's easy for me anyway to see why the non Scottish players would make the move to further their career.

I'd imagine it is harder at present to attract quality players to Celtic than it has been for the best part of 20 years

Dempsey

Celtic are pushing strongly for permission to install rail seating at CP.

http://m.bbc.com/sport/scotland/27805755

The sooner it happens in Scottish Football, the better.

eire4

RoryMac wrote: »

I don't see how you can ignore the issues in the league when discussing Celtic's stature and ability to hold onto players or appeal when signing players.

You don't need to convince me that Celtic are a massive club but I think Celtic have a battle on their hands to hold onto any decent players for more than a couple of years due to the standard of football and the lack of competition.

Moving to a mid-table or lower end of the EPL club may be a step down in terms of size of the club but in terms of exposure, finances, ability to attract a move to a top team it is a definite step up so it's easy for me anyway to see why the non Scottish players would make the move to further their career.

I'd imagine it is harder at present to attract quality players to Celtic than it has been for the best part of 20 years

I guess again I must make my posts clearer. I am not saying anything about Celtic ability to hold on to or not hold onto a player. Nor am I saying anything about the quality or lack thereof of leagues.


All I am saying and I stand by my comment is that unless a player moving to the epl is moving to a club that can genuinely challenge for a title he is taking a step down in terms of the club. Something I believe you do seem to agree with based on your last post.

RoryMac

eire4 wrote: »

I guess again I must make my posts clearer. I am not saying anything about Celtic ability to hold on to or not hold onto a player. Nor am I saying anything about the quality or lack thereof of leagues.


All I am saying and I stand by my comment is that unless a player moving to the epl is moving to a club that can genuinely challenge for a title he is taking a step down in terms of the club. Something I believe you do seem to agree with based on your last post.

I think you will have to make it clearer, you say a move to a non title challenging EPL team is a step down but haven't given a reason why yet.

I don't believe it is a step down anymore due to level of exposure, competition & money available to players at any of the EPL teams.

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

Celtic are pushing strongly for permission to install rail seating at CP.

http://m.bbc.com/sport/scotland/27805755

The sooner it happens in Scottish Football, the better.

I'd love to see it happen but I think we have a fight on our hands to convince the health & safety people, I think it still might be a few years away and the Celtic statement seems to hint at a bit of frustration at the lack or progress